Everton (A) | Game Postponed

If anyone is in any doubt about the pure hatred towards our club then batten down the hatches for the next few days we will be hammered for this postponement , our club has done the sensible thing , COVID is out of control even our own government have stated this. A postponed football match is not the end of the world COVID has that potential though.
 
You definitely don’t need to know the name of the player if they don’t want to be revealed. All reports said 3 players plus 2 previous so there is no basis for postponement that is just 5 players out of a 25 man squad.

So you don’t think 7 cases in a 3 day test interval is enough to investigate why the number is increasing?

Why should city be scared of everton. Walker and Jesus were already out, the rumored names were Ederson, Cancelo and ferran. Maybe cancelo is the only problem because there is no other right back but if we are a serious team then we should still beat them.

There are no conspiracy theories, from advice by medical personnels the best solution was to postpone the fixture, no one is trying to gain any competitive advantage.
7 league one games off now tonight, surely they have to suspend the season for a month at least. Strange how none of the clubs who have postponements where they don’t have infections aren’t demanding answers from their opponents..... no coincidence none are on TV...none are scousers

N.b. None are playing City, none are in the league cup semi finals
 
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If that happens it will fuck up the league and its precious tv companies!
It will definitely create an interesting situation, cancellation of the Euros? The thing is whilst this is a bad moment in the pandemic we are at the beginning of the end with the rollout of many vaccines so the logical step is a suspension. But you just know that the money situation will make them hesitate that bit too long.
 
Bein sports have supposedly said your request to postpone the game was initially rejected then you appealed.

Im wondering if Everton have been informed of the rejection and told by the PL that the game was going ahead as normal (prob due to the stupid 14 available players rule) then all of a sudden at 4pm got told it was off.

Im sure more will come out on this either way but its unusual for us to put something out like that without something in it - we arnt usually petty.

Anyway im sure more will leak out soon and we will either be justified in calling out the PL or look a bit knobish.

Whatever has gone on behind the scenes at least the right call has been made. Other fans screaming forefit need to remember that this could happen to them at some point soon.
Ultimately, not playing has been the right course of action, we have numerous with it, so nobody knows how many will test positive in further tests?

You have players with families to go home too, officials, some probably older behind the scenes, and fans some probably older and more vulnerable, who also have to go home to families, who also could have come into contact with it.

Calling it off was the sensible option, you may have lost a few pies, and a bit of TV money, so what ?

Yet your clubs statement didn't bother to wish anyone speedy health, so it's hardly a surprise they're getting stick on here.
 
His post is OTT, but then the statement issued by your club really missed the mark so you can see why that might occur to a fan base that’s been the brunt of snide attack after snide attack from the press and other clubs, both at home and abroad.

As a club, as a neutral to your team, I think Everton generally get it very right. Lots of common sense, not doing the Liverpool thing etc. This time a public statement was really poorly thought through. There’s more people in hospital than the previous peak of the virus when the league was canned for 3 months. It’s only going to get worse. It’s by far the best approach to see what the actual impact is on the City squad, both staff and players before having another game because the number of cases has risen since the last test.

All clubs can make bad PR decisions. City certainly cock stuff up. Today Everton didn’t get it quite right. Say the stuff about crap levels of information from the PL in private correspondence and instead wish those impacted a speedy recovery. But when people are dying in scores, keep the public message on point.

I honestly dont think they would have objected to calling off the game as im sure our medical staff would be in agreement and there is no point risking it spreading to us.

We dont usually get involved with stuff like that (we didnt get involved in the pathetic attempt to kick you out of CL or any other nonsense) we dont have any grievance with you as a club and off the field we are top class. Which is why I believe something has irked them enough to put out a statement like that.

City state discussions and agreement with both clubs, we are claiming the call off was 'unexpected' and the PL arnt saying much which is usual. Im wondering if you were led to believe we knew and we didnt have a clue what was going on. Either way its not down to City or Everton, the PL have full responsibility for whatever has gone on.
 
You definitely don’t need to know the name of the player if they don’t want to be revealed. All reports said 3 players plus 2 previous so there is no basis for postponement that is just 5 players out of a 25 man squad.

So you don’t think 7 cases in a 3 day test interval is enough to investigate why the number is increasing?

Why should city be scared of everton. Walker and Jesus were already out, the rumored names were Ederson, Cancelo and ferran. Maybe cancelo is the only problem because there is no other right back but if we are a serious team then we should still beat them.

There are no conspiracy theories, from advice by medical personnels the best solution was to postpone the fixture, no one is trying to gain any competitive advantage.

So, first let's just make one thing clear, I AM NOT ATTACKING CITY NOR AM I SAYING CONSPIRACY. I'm TRYING to be fair and objective and understand what's going on.

I just wrote post critiquing Everton for having an "agenda" as well. That's called normal (sadly) in cases of anything involving neoliberal capitalism where some entity stands to benefit or lose in a situation, and in particular when facing a unique situation like this with little precedent.

I believe that's what VERY MUCH a massive part of what is going on.

That also doesn't mean City are necessarily "hiding" things. However, if true, the strategy isn't without precedent for being justified, especially if they feel they will be unfairly treated by clubs looking to gain advantages and have already felt victimised by those out to get us (I think it's safe to say City and our fans feel that way 100% from UEFA, 'the cartel", "the agenda", The Sky 4, etc. etc.).

In the global football transfer market, however, this is called "business" and competitive advantage is a widely adopted strategy but this feels outside of that more justified "cut throat" capitalist behavior for some, and certainly the likes of The Guardian-like writers who team up with the more Tory/working class Brexit fans who also hate City.

- Now, normally privicy and confidentiality apply with medical conditions, but these are public figures and as far as I know no one has hidden COVID cases in football. That actually sounds even worse than not revealing, no?

- I DO think there should be an investigation and precautions SHOULD be taken. I don't suspect that is the question. Maybe the question is how late the information was given to Everton or perhaps the PL. Even if it is "legit" I can see why they might feel worried about the timing.

Are Everton right to assume the worst of City? Not a "conspiracy" but that CITY THEMSELVES tried to manipulate things and the PL didn't push hard enough. I AM NOT SAYING THEY ARE, but maybe that's their thinking and that's NOT the same as a conspirasy.

- I don't know how to answer the question "Why should City be afraid of Everton?" other than ask to go check the PL table at this stage, and Everton's aspirations. Does that help?

You cannot honestly say losing all those players would not be a MASSIVE blow to ANY side on the pitch and to morale which would be a major risk for affecting performance. These aren't fringe players these are starters and key players to a side fighting back to the top of the table. Seems odd to suggest otherwise. I would not feel so confident going in if all those players were announced yesterday gone and we played today. Pep has surely been training with several of those players to play in THIS game.

- To say comfortably "no one is trying to gain any competitive advantage" is based on WHAT evidence? Like those top PL clubs who voted us to be banned sooner rather than later when we had the CAS case? Was "no one is trying to gain any competitive advantage" there either? All clubs do, including us.
 
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How difficult is it to understand that the squad (all players plus coaches) were together just 48 hours ago (playing Newcastle on Boxing Day) and now today’s test suggest a further 5 positive COVID cases (in addition to 4 in last round of testing) ... so everyone in that squad has been in close contact/exposed ... whether they catch it or not is something no one can tell but guideline is to self isolate till another round of tests is done and if you get two consecutive tests 48 hrs apart you can’t be sure ... did Everton or anyone for that matter want to play against the team who have been exposed to confirmed multiple Covid cases??

Question of fielding 14 players doesn’t arise as the squad hasn’t been able to have two rounds of tests ... that’s what happens when you arange games only 46 hrs apart ... we’ll have two more rounds of tests this week and then if we have 14 players available then Chelsea game would go ahead ... it’s quite simple ... only issue has come due to back to back fixture scheduling and not enough time in between for tests to be carried out ...

This above is for elite sports btw, the common man’s guidance is you come in contact with someone who tests positive, you don’t even get tested and still have to self isolate for 10 days ... and even if you don’t have any symptoms as you could still carry it from that positive case and onto someone else ...
 
Ultimately, not playing has been the right course of action, we have numerous with it, so nobody knows how many will test positive in further tests?

You have players with families to go home too, officials, some probably older behind the scenes, and fans some probably older and more vulnerable, who also have to go home to families, who also could have come into contact with it.

Calling it off was the sensible option, you may have lost a few pies, and a bit of TV money, so what ?

Yet your clubs statement didn't bother to wish anyone speedy health, so it's hardly a surprise they're getting stick on here.

Yes they could have added that into the statement and in not doing so probably makes it sound more heartless than they probably intended.

I hope they put out another statement soon wishing the players well.
 
Yes they could have added that into the statement and in not doing so probably makes it sound more heartless than they probably intended.

I hope they put out another statement soon wishing the players well.
Too late
True colours showed now
Be whining tomorrow if we infected their squad.
 
How difficult is it to understand that the squad (all players plus coaches) were together just 48 hours ago (playing Newcastle on Boxing Day) and now today’s test suggest a further 5 positive COVID cases (in addition to 4 in last round of testing) ... so everyone in that squad has been in close contact/exposed ... whether they catch it or not is something no one can tell but guideline is to self isolate till another round of tests is done and if you get two consecutive tests 48 hrs apart you can’t be sure ... did Everton or anyone for that matter want to play against the team who have been exposed to confirmed multiple Covid cases??

Question of fielding 14 players doesn’t arise as the squad hasn’t been able to have two rounds of tests ... that’s what happens when you arange games only 46 hrs apart ... we’ll have two more rounds of tests this week and then if we have 14 players available then Chelsea game would go ahead ... it’s quite simple ... only issue has come due to back to back fixture scheduling and not enough time in between for tests to be carried out ...

This above is for elite sports btw, the common man’s guidance is you come in contact with someone who tests positive, you don’t even get tested and still have to self isolate for 10 days ... and even if you don’t have any symptoms as you could still carry it from that positive case and onto someone else ...
Perfectly explained , it is the congestion of fixtures that has caused the short notice , but it will be twisted so we are trying to gain an advantage and bend the rules , we could be off to CAS again.
 
That 14 available player thing needs to be fucked off too, thats not helping the hysteria.

If you only have 14 players available then that suggests that Covid is rife and more than just an isolated incident. No team should be playing anyone if thats the case

Nail on head here. I actually think this rule is what's causing all of the ruckus.

It is a problematic rule that was not thought through clearly or maybe more fair is to say they didn't quite consider this kind of situation and hoped for the best.

I would say the same even if this happened to our biggest rivals.
 
Also, the context of a massive bump in cases in the UK and London has to be taken into account (where we are hearing the City spread may have come from). City were in London to play Arsenal. Was that what led to it?

Were some City players wildly negligent? Maybe, but even if it was just 1 player or 2, they then are affecting many who did NOTHING and may have followed all of the rules.

The entire team is then suffering because of this.

It's not the same as a regular injury and playing without them because your injury doesn't affect other people's ability to play a game physically.
 
That 14 available player thing needs to be fucked off too, thats not helping the hysteria.

If you only have 14 players available then that suggests that Covid is rife and more than just an isolated incident. No team should be playing anyone if thats the case
Great point - totally agree - as infections inevitably rise in line with the rest of the country they’ll be changing games to 5 a side rather than call them off......
 
What might make sense to ask is why have the City players' names not been released? We now hear Ederson (who else)

I am not suggesting Everton are saints here AT ALL, but I wonder if they feel:

1) The total players City would have out for the game would NOT be enough to postpone the game

2) City waited until the last minute to announce the cases and then be vague because they knew this would allow for a postponement

3) City are doing this basically because they would have lost several key players at the very last minute which would put them at a disadvantage in a huge game but they agreed to the rules for COVID so they should have to deal

Am I missing anything else?

I can also list critiques of ALL 3 of these views.
4) Dear Everton, we've had to pull half a dozen players because they've got this potential to pass on a killer virus to your players and staff.
But don't worry, we've got another 15 players who can play and don't worry, we know they've been with the others but we're sure they are ok because they've tested negative just like the others who tested negative last week.
 
Were some City players wildly negligent? Maybe, but even if it was just 1 player or 2, they then are affecting many who did NOTHING and may have followed all of the rules.
There is ZERO evidence anybody was acting "wildly", so it shouldn't even be mentioned. I do think the players should be cautioned about the celebrations, but that's players at all clubs, they could all ACT better for me, close contact should be discouraged.
 
I think the rule should have been if 3 or more players contract COVID within X window of time, games are automatically postponed for saftey and investigation.

If it is determined any players were not "clearly and obviously" (you like that one?) negligent in their behaviour then the game will be re-scheduled

Any negligent players found to be so after the investigation are then suspended for 1 game depending on what is found and cannot participate in the replay against the other side or if injured during that game must be suspended for the next available PL fixture.
 

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