Everton (A) | Game Postponed

[Metalartin]

I think we're having a massive misunderstanding.

I was playing devil's advocate.

I did not mean to to say City players were "wildly" negligent. Maybe was not quite the intention. It was more like saying "maybe" as in I don't know one way or the other.

I meant to pose a scenario and then counter that perspective for those who might try that line of reasoning.

Oh that does it...

 

[cleavers]

if they were serious about players not contracting Covid then they would play all matches in some designated grounds with all players in a hub.

You can't ask players to do that though, they would refuse and rightly so, ever more reasons for the whole thing to be called off.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

They have reached the same level as those bastards across Stanley Park.

Amazing what a sniff of possible success does to people/clubs isn't it

 

[eyalluvitt]

I genuinely don't understand how any fan could want a free 3 points as a result of a forfeit. What is the point of having a competition without sporting integrity

If United go top after winning at Bus Smash Alley and the league is then suspended. Their scummy fans/media would celebrate a Covid title like it was 1999 tainted or not. The moral compass of sewer rats.

 

[eyalluvitt]

Debbie's changed

 

[super_city_si]

How difficult is it to understand that the squad (all players plus coaches) were together just 48 hours ago (playing Newcastle on Boxing Day) and now today’s test suggest a further 5 positive COVID cases (in addition to 4 in last round of testing) ... so everyone in that squad has been in close contact/exposed ... whether they catch it or not is something no one can tell but guideline is to self isolate till another round of tests is done and if you get two consecutive tests 48 hrs apart you can’t be sure ... did Everton or anyone for that matter want to play against the team who have been exposed to confirmed multiple Covid cases??

Question of fielding 14 players doesn’t arise as the squad hasn’t been able to have two rounds of tests ... that’s what happens when you arange games only 46 hrs apart ... we’ll have two more rounds of tests this week and then if we have 14 players available then Chelsea game would go ahead ... it’s quite simple ... only issue has come due to back to back fixture scheduling and not enough time in between for tests to be carried out ...

This above is for elite sports btw, the common man’s guidance is you come in contact with someone who tests positive, you don’t even get tested and still have to self isolate for 10 days ... and even if you don’t have any symptoms as you could still carry it from that positive case and onto someone else ...

we’re going to get fucked over for the Chelsea game.

 

[eyalluvitt]

I come out of Liverpool and I am lovely

 

[cleavers]

Just maybe stop looking at this from a football perspective, the club and its staff are meant to stay in a tight bubble, and they got 7 new cases in the past 3 days. The bubble has to be investigated to try and stop the spread.

Are there rules like this (other than from within each club), it's not like the return in the summer, where they were kept pretty much in a bubble.

Our bubble involved playing a game in a highly infected area and spending sometime in a hotel, which appears to have an outbreak too.

It will be interesting to see if infections take off again at Newcastle, if so that's proving that getting infected in one part of the country takes it to a completely different area, if that happens, then it's a serious issue for the PL, much more than the media are thinking.

League one, with 7 games off today suggests it is a bigger issue than the media want it to be, they don't want another shutdown, yet they want the rest of the country on shutdown it seems. No hypocrisy there then ?

 

[Metalartin]

You know, if Liverpool stayed in a hotel in a pro Arsenal area before a game, then got lots of positive COVID cases afterwards, I think I can guess the conspiracies they'd make up: "It's just like when Mike Tyson got food poisoning, after using his real name to order pizza, the night before a fight in his opponents home city...la"

I'm glad we're above that kind of shit on the whole.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

You can't ask players to do that though, they would refuse and rightly so, ever more reasons for the whole thing to be called off.

It would be great if City took the lead and just simply said to the authorities we are withdrawing our players from the next three matches because we want to prevent any more spread of this deadly disease which puts all our staff at risk. We should take the moral high ground and suggest we would rather forfeit all these games (including the semi) than risk the health of our employees and their families. What a statement that would be for the sewer rats in the English media and the scumbags at EFC, MUFC, and LFC.

 

[oakiecokie]

We provided the medical evidence the premier league made the decision , we dont have to provide any evidence to any body else , media , other football clubs , no one. The only thing we are guilty of is common sense and caution , but that doesnt sell newspapers or attract dicks.

Amended.

 

[Tokyo32]

Are there rules like this (other than from within each club), it's not like the return in the summer, where they were kept pretty much in a bubble.

Our bubble involved playing a game in a highly infected area and spending sometime in a hotel, which appears to have an outbreak too.

It will be interesting to see if infections take off again at Newcastle, if so that's proving that getting infected in one part of the country takes it to a completely different area, if that happens, then it's a serious issue for the PL, much more than the media are thinking.

League one, with 7 games off today suggests it is a bigger issue than the media want it to be, they don't want another shutdown, yet they want the rest of the country on shutdown it seems. No hypocrisy there then ?

I doubt it is as strict as summer but obviously there would still be some limitations on everyone at the club to try and reduce chances of contracting the virus

 

[cleavers]

It would be great if City took the lead and just simply said to the authorities we are withdrawing our players from the next three matches because we want to prevent any more spread of this deadly disease which puts all our staff at risk. We should take the moral high ground and suggest we would rather forfeit all these games (including the semi) than risk the health of our employees and their families. What a statement that would be for the sewer rats in the English media and the scumbags at EFC, MUFC, and LFC.

Yes it would.

I'm hoping Brian Kidd has been asked to work from home at the moment, haven't seen him recently.

 

[PrezIke]

Mate, I don’t think you realise the seriousness of this situation. If we had played you tonight we could well be looking at two premier league clubs suspending their fixtures instead of one. Two could have been four in a matter of days and then it is question of league suspension, not withstanding people getting seriously ill. Now show some class and except it.

I hear you mate, and want to clarify I absolutely believe the situation IS serious and the game should have been postponed.

I'm not quite clear on what I said implied otherwise. It's more about the timing that the information was given to Everton (so they claim - and WHOSE REASONING CAN ALSO BE CRITIQUED) not what one does with this information with little time to do anything other than postpone the game for safety reasons.

And once again, for those reading I AM NOT BACKING EVERTON'S STATEMENT since I can see how some might think this.

Again, I think the issue Everton has is the timing of the release of information not the itself and the postponement on its own with the revelations.

Everton appear to be insinuating that/trying to explore if City held the COVID cases so late that the game had to be postponed, rather than report the info sooner and have an "independent body" determine who was at risk and if the game needed to be postponed. They also seem to be wondering if the PL just glossed over the timing for whatever/some reasons (not necessarily due to some malicious intent or conspiracy).

Here's the BBC's reporting on Everton's view which is pretty much what I suspected at a minimum was the case (even if one also argues it's "counter-intelligence":

Everton v Man City: Premier League fixture postponed after visitors report coronavirus cases

Manchester City's Premier League match at Everton on Monday is postponed after the visitors return a number of positive coronavirus tests.

www.bbc.com

The club were only alerted to a potential problem on Monday afternoon and while it is understood they are not angry about the situation, they are looking for full disclosure from the Premier League for the precise reasons they came to the decision they did.

Now, does that mean they have to post that statement? That's arguably an even bigger question.

What if it was discovered City knew of the cases days ago but didn't tell the PL until Monday? I don't know the answer, and does not mean City are "guilty" of anything either, but I can tell you neutrals would sure want to know why.

Respect, btw, but you told me to have some class, and I think that is a misunderstanding on what I'm saying.

 

[mancity1]

You can't ask players to do that though, they would refuse and rightly so, ever more reasons for the whole thing to be called off.

Well that's exactly what they did in the AFL and to keep the season alive that is what they had to agree to along with a reduced season 22 rounds reduced to 16.

Otherwise the season would have been cancelled.

Its got to the stage now where the authorities have to consider postponing or abandoning the season if they want to do their bit for the betterment of the health of the population money or no money.

its not just about City given our first team is ravaged now and is no longer competitive in the short term.

Many businesses and livelihoods will not survive the response the the pandemic and the best the government and agencies can do is ensure they are better prepared for the next one which might be much worse death wise once you become positive.

Football while it provides entertainment and gives some enjoyment to the public should not be compromised to the detriment of players , staff their families and the wider community etc.

 

[cleavers]

Everton appear to be insinuating that/trying to explore if City held the COVID cases so late that the game had to be postponed, rather than report the info sooner and have an "independent body" determine who was at risk and if the game needed to be postponed.

We only got test results on Monday morning, it's a bank holiday Monday, we might have told the PL right away, was it 7am or 11am (both are morning), do we have a clue who was working at the "PL" today (a bank holiday) ?

Is it a great surprise that there was a gap in the response ?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Yes it would.

I'm hoping Brian Kidd has been asked to work from home at the moment, haven't seen him recently.

I hope Kidd is ok and any other vulnerable staff members we have. The Everton statement is a total disgrace. The club should be ashamed of themselves. It is in stark contrast to the classy comments from Frank Lampard who faces both his next two games against City and Morecambe being postponed, which would throw Chelsea's season into chaos. Lampard has stressed that the matches should only go ahead if the safety of both sets of players can be guaranteed.

 

[cleavers]

Well that's exactly what they did in the AFL and to keep the season alive that is what they had to agree to along with a reduced season 22 rounds reduced to 16.

I'll be honest I couldn't give a f**k about the AFL, but we haven't reduced the season here, we've crammed more in to a shorter period, and here it is coming back to bite the authorities on the arse.

Its got to the stage now where the authorities have to consider postponing or abandoning the season if they want to do their bit for the betterment of the health of the population money or no money.

Yes it has got to that stage.

Football while it provides entertainment and gives some enjoyment to the public should not be compromised to the detriment of players , staff their families and the wider community etc.

Exactly.

 

[cleavers]

I hope Kidd is ok and any other vulnerable staff members we have.

Obviously it's ultimately up to him to make his own choices, but I hope he's being looked after by the club, the man should be a Manchester icon, and I hope as a club we are protecting him, especially as it's now in the squad/club.

 

[TheThirdDeano]

Can’t believe what I’m reading!
Only city could have an outbreak and then be attacked by all angles for ruining the football season and calling the entire competition into dispute.