Exposing the hypocrisy of journalists

Fame Monster said:
If you think calling Castles an ugly **** on a forum he doesn't even read (which isn't even an opinion really, it's a fact) is damaging to City's fan base, you need to turn off your computer, go for a walk, and live in the real world for a bit. Nobody cares what I write on here and nobody give a fuck what you write either and within extremes, it's definitely not gonna 'damage the image of City fans' ffs.
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A single comment won't, but just abusing people gets you nowhere. It just makes it easier for people to write you off
 
Blue Llama said:
I think the ignore them approch does work. Talkshite is a good example. Several times I've heard them set bait by trying to wum City fans and quickly moved on when their phone in resulted in silence.
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That’s the only way to deal with it.
 
Marvin said:
His family is now being targeted by them. See the tweets above. I don't think we should waste time going after individual journalists online. If they tweet something or make a point, then we can respond by all means but the personal stuff should be avoided.

It would be more effective if City fans in their hundreds and thousands changed their own individual behaviour so that we don't buy papers, or contribute to their online articles.

Individuals sniping journalists who have Fleet Street newspapers behind them who can reach millions is like refugee children throwing stones at soldiers armed with live ammo and jet fighters.

Our strength is numbers. Do not give them any more of your money or comments. That will be a start, and quite an effective one. They are employed after all to make waves and generate revenue for their owners. Well simply kill the waves, and stop giving them your revenue by changing your activity.

Post-match 100s of City fans would normally comment in national newspapers. Stop. if you must comment, do it on Bluemoon, other City forums, Villatalk, fan sites, the BBC, anywhere but national media owned football sites.

The objective is to win the propaganda war and to hurt them financially.
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The BBC? Seriously?
 
Marvin said:
Well we're not in armed conflict are we. We're a fanbase discussing how to deal with media coverage. I'm not calling on anyone else to help City. I am asking City fans to stop criticising the media in one breath, and in the next practically supporting them by contributing to their journalism.

If you have a better solution, I'd like to hear it.
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The problem with your approach Marvin is that it won't work if it's just City fans. We're a minority and these so-called journalists are little more than clickbait merchants, pandering to the likes of rags or dippers, who hugely outnumber us. One journalist told me that publishing a story which was about United would get ten times as many clicks as exactly the same story but with City as the subject. I've had a well respected journalist at a 'quality' broadsheet tell me he's judged on clicks and hits, rather than the quality of his writing.

But there's more than that. There are certain parties actively fuelling the anti-City agenda in the media. We are fighting a war therefore & I think Vicky Kloss would confirm that. We're soldiers in that war & it's up to us to take the fight to the enemy. As City fans, we're biased of course but we can also act independently of the City PR/media teams & do things they might not do, while still supporting their overall objective. I see us as proxies, in a similar way that organisations like Hezbollah are proxies for Iran.

That doesn't mean we should be abusive or threatening but we should be spelling out the truth because if lies don't get challenged consistently and robustly, they become the "truth". So that means challenging the cliches and slurs like City being state-owned, that we're wholly reliant on Abu Dhabi for finance or that the UAE is a tyranny where gay people are executed. All of these (and more) have been used against us.

My solution is not to resolutely ignore falsehoods but to challenge this narrative persistently, deploying facts, reason and logic. I've tried to do this for quite a while & have published stuff about our finances & FFP itself, which have had an impact. I get immense satisfaction when I see City fans deploy these arguments on social media as it shows I've succeeded in getting the message across and there are others who have done the same.

Each to his own but to me, your solution is the equivalent of being a conscientious objector in wartime, who refuses to get involved in the fray. If everyone did that there'd be no wars but sadly not everyone will. Mine involves sniping at anyone who sticks their head above the parapet, albeit by putting demonstrable facts into their heads, rather than a bullet. Goebbels believed that if a lie was big enough, and repeated enough, it became the de facto truth. I believe in challenging lies.
 
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Everyone needs to read that thread of the guy pranking Castles. Shows how naive and desperate these people are. How he fell for that I do not know.
 
I think the journalists believe Rabin is some sort of collective employed by Manchester City or Abu Dhavi.

Which is why they are so desperate for information on who he is and where hes from etc.

Castles and Delaney are wankers but they're not spending time DMing people so they can get one over on some Twitter user.
 
domalino said:
I think the journalists believe Rabin is some sort of collective employed by Manchester City or Abu Dhavi.

Which is why they are so desperate for information on who he is and where hes from etc.

Castles and Delaney are wankers but they're not spending time DMing people so they can get one over on some Twitter user.
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So what if it is, fuck the lot of them especially all these dipper and rag hacks from nowhere near dipper and rag land that are constantly given a platform to stick it to us. Until city actually start calling them out and taking action Rabin is the only one hurting them
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The problem with your approach Marvin is that it won't work if it's just City fans. We're a minority and these so-called journalists are little more than clickbait merchants, pandering to the likes of rags or dippers, who hugely outnumber us. One journalist told me that publishing a story which was about United would get ten times as many clicks as exactly the same story but with City as the subject. I've had a well respected journalist at a 'quality' broadsheet tell me he's judged on clicks and hits, rather than the quality of his writing.

But there's more than that. There are certain parties actively fuelling the anti-City agenda in the media. We are fighting a war therefore & I think Vicky Kloss would confirm that. We're soldiers in that war & it's up to us to take the fight to the enemy. As City fans, we're biased of course but we can also act independently of the City PR/media teams & do things they might not do, while still supporting their overall objective. I see us as proxies, in a similar way that organisations like Hezbollah are proxies for Iran.

That doesn't mean we should be abusive or threatening but we should be spelling out the truth because if lies don't get challenged consistently and robustly, they become the "truth". So that means challenging the cliches and slurs like City being state-owned, that we're wholly reliant on Abu Dhabi for finance or that the UAE is a tyranny where gay people are executed. All of these (and more) have been used against us.

My solution is not to resolutely ignore falsehoods but to challenge this narrative persistently, deploying facts, reason and logic. I've tried to do this for quite a while & have published stuff about our finances & FFP itself, which have had an impact. I get immense satisfaction when I see City fans deploy these arguments on social media as it shows I've succeeded in getting the message across and there are others who have done the same.

Each to his own but to me, your solution is the equivalent of being a conscientious objector in wartime, who refuses to get involved in the fray. If everyone did that there'd be no wars but sadly not everyone will. Mine involves sniping at anyone who sticks their head above the parapet, albeit by putting demonstrable facts into their heads, rather than a bullet. Goebbels believed that if a lie was big enough, and repeated enough, it became the de facto truth. I believe in challenging lies.
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I agree with all you say there, apart from one aspect. I believe in challenging lies too. I am not talking about disengagement from argument. I am talking about doing so in our media, not theirs. Particularly sites which flourish on the back of football argument. I've tried arguing City's corner in Guardian Football. It is completely stupid to do so as all it does is cohere hundreds of Liverpool and Man Utd fans closer to the Guardian and it's what they want. That is the Guardian's growth strategy. City are used as click-bait.

I follow you on twitter, and I've seen your interviews on Youtube. They are effective. We all should be doing stuff like that. I was specifically referring to City fans commenting online which is something which we all do. It's a growth strategy for the major online commercial media operator and it's something which CIty fans can very easily do. If Liverpool fans can discredit the Sun newspaper and probably cost them a significant amount of revenue and maybe even alter their football line, why can't City fans do the same.

I am not sure you are right about the numbers of clicks and hits between City, Utd and Liverpool. I am certain that historically it was true that City were pretty insignificant but City articles often are besieged by Liverpool supporters on the BBC and in the Guardian. The match comments and topical articles get a lot of interest. Around 2/3rds Man Utd and Liverpool articles. Much more than we ever used to. City are now a hot topic, hence media coverage has become an issue for City fans. If we weren't a hot topic then the media would at worst ignore us. It's changed.
 
franksinatra said:
To be honest it will probably not work but at least fans who get upset by the coverage wont be ‘casting a vote’ for its continued production.

The positive coverage we get, like the Mirror piece on Silvas goal, should be shared and supported but bizarrely that gets posted and few people comment on it.
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Bollocks, I agree with Frank here, ha ha
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The problem with your approach Marvin is that it won't work if it's just City fans. We're a minority and these so-called journalists are little more than clickbait merchants, pandering to the likes of rags or dippers, who hugely outnumber us. One journalist told me that publishing a story which was about United would get ten times as many clicks as exactly the same story but with City as the subject. I've had a well respected journalist at a 'quality' broadsheet tell me he's judged on clicks and hits, rather than the quality of his writing.

But there's more than that. There are certain parties actively fuelling the anti-City agenda in the media. We are fighting a war therefore & I think Vicky Kloss would confirm that. We're soldiers in that war & it's up to us to take the fight to the enemy. As City fans, we're biased of course but we can also act independently of the City PR/media teams & do things they might not do, while still supporting their overall objective. I see us as proxies, in a similar way that organisations like Hezbollah are proxies for Iran.

That doesn't mean we should be abusive or threatening but we should be spelling out the truth because if lies don't get challenged consistently and robustly, they become the "truth". So that means challenging the cliches and slurs like City being state-owned, that we're wholly reliant on Abu Dhabi for finance or that the UAE is a tyranny where gay people are executed. All of these (and more) have been used against us.

My solution is not to resolutely ignore falsehoods but to challenge this narrative persistently, deploying facts, reason and logic. I've tried to do this for quite a while & have published stuff about our finances & FFP itself, which have had an impact. I get immense satisfaction when I see City fans deploy these arguments on social media as it shows I've succeeded in getting the message across and there are others who have done the same.

Each to his own but to me, your solution is the equivalent of being a conscientious objector in wartime, who refuses to get involved in the fray. If everyone did that there'd be no wars but sadly not everyone will. Mine involves sniping at anyone who sticks their head above the parapet, albeit by putting demonstrable facts into their heads, rather than a bullet. Goebbels believed that if a lie was big enough, and repeated enough, it became the de facto truth. I believe in challenging lies.
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Great post mate.

We need to challenge the lies any way we can so they realise they can't just write any old negative shit about us to pander to Liverpool and United fans.

Obviously, the best way to do is that with reasoned argument and showing why their article is untruthful or hypocritical so we need the generals like you and Rabin to intelligently point out their mistakes.

Given that I have no official affiliation with the club, I also think we need soldiers like me who carry out the civilian bombing campaigns by writing negative book reviews of said journalists so they're hit where the money hurts too.
 
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