Extreme Web Laws

[Jnr Kisby]

signed. The music industry were robbing people for many years, selling albums at £15+ which they produce for pence. Prices have recently come down as demand falls. They've had their heyday and now they're crumbling, shit happens.

 

[Damocles]

Its a sharing network. If you've watched a dvd and you've liked it would you give to your friends to watch it?Same thing with books, and music. As long as the people who are sharing the content are not charging( if its not their own) then there is nothing wrong. Is it illegal if my buddy gave me all his iTunes songs, or let me watch his movies?

There is.

There is no way at all to defend piracy. Hell, I do it myself, but I'd never try and argue that I'm not doing wrong. The way I look at it, the music companies that I steal from wouldn't be receiving my cash either way. I don't download something that I want to buy, I download anything that's around, and probably wouldn't have bought it in a shop.

That said, I'm still stealing when I download a film or an album, or some software.

 

[Why Always Ste]

If this law gets on the statue books, I wonder if the ISP's will be asked by the Prem to cut off people watching football streams?

Most probably this will be stopped my friend... in this legislation Private companies Can have the power to force blocks on websites... So it isn't just about downloading the odd song here or there its about taking away your right to view whatever website you want.

Damocles: there are many ways to defend piracy, many you may already be aware of but the key one I'm a strong believer in is the fact that since I've had the ability to watch what i want, listen to what i want and read what i want with the advent of the internet this HAS infact encouraged me to go to the cinema more, go to music festivals more, buy books and yes even have sex more (thankyou porno)

Take away my ability to find out about the latest films, music and books this takes away my ability to go to the cinema/music festivals and so on...

The true pirates (labels/movie studios/publishers) need to adopt to this new technology and provide their products digitally, available for download at a respectable price... they still charge £12 to download an album when it costs less to buy the cd... this takes the piss.
Same with movies, to download official films its actually cheaper buying discs which includes all the packaging and distribution costs having been shipped from China.

They take the piss as they are greedy bastards and they will only learn their lesson when they accept the playing field has changed and they should adopt to it.

If i could buy an mp3 album for say £2 i'd buy it rather than other methods which are free, same with movies... £3 a film would be sound. not £15 for a download, scandalous

 

[Damocles]

If this law gets on the statue books, I wonder if the ISP's will be asked by the Prem to cut off people watching football streams?

Most probably this will be stopped my friend... in this legislation Private companies Can have the power to force blocks on websites... So it isn't just about downloading the odd song here or there its about taking away your right to view whatever website you want.

Sorry Ste, but I'm calling bullshit on this whole thing unless you can provide us with some evidence of this. This represents a total misunderstanding of how the internet (and it's underlying communication protocols) work.

Damocles: there are many ways to defend piracy, many you may already be aware of but the key one I'm a strong believer in is the fact that since I've had the ability to watch what i want, listen to what i want and read what i want with the advent of the internet this HAS infact encouraged me to go to the cinema more, go to music festivals more, buy books and yes even have sex more (thankyou porno)

I think a Ferrari is hugely overpriced. It doesn't give me the right to steal it. Unless you are going to the cinema and rewatching every film you downloaded (same with music, games, etc), then piracy doesn't work as a motivator.

 

[brooklandsblue2.0]

Peter Mandelson is rushing to force the Digital Economy Bill into law before the General Election.

The draconian law is opposed by industry experts, internet service providers (like TalkTalk and BT), web giants including Google, Yahoo and Ebay and even the British Library. Despite all this opposition, the Government is trying to rush it through quietly just before the election without proper debate – without a chance for us to voice our opposition.

If you’d like to add your dissenting voice, please email your MP:
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Funny how you never heard a peep from Mandy about this until he spent a week on the yacht of the owner of Geffen Records in corfu......slimy shit.

 

[Why Always Ste]

Most probably this will be stopped my friend... in this legislation Private companies Can have the power to force blocks on websites... So it isn't just about downloading the odd song here or there its about taking away your right to view whatever website you want.

Sorry Ste, but I'm calling bullshit on this whole thing unless you can provide us with some evidence of this. This represents a total misunderstanding of how the internet (and it's underlying communication protocols) work.

Damocles: there are many ways to defend piracy, many you may already be aware of but the key one I'm a strong believer in is the fact that since I've had the ability to watch what i want, listen to what i want and read what i want with the advent of the internet this HAS infact encouraged me to go to the cinema more, go to music festivals more, buy books and yes even have sex more (thankyou porno)

I think a Ferrari is hugely overpriced. It doesn't give me the right to steal it. Unless you are going to the cinema and rewatching every film you downloaded (same with music, games, etc), then piracy doesn't work as a motivator.

it does for me.... I probably go to the cinema twice a month, why? because i'll pick a few films that I know would be good on the big screen (avatar as an example) but something like say Invictus just doesn't go down well in a cinema for me which is why i'll watch it at home.
if I didn't have this ability then I wouldn't bother with the cinema.
Same with music, except i use Spotify/youtube (legal) to listen to a few tunes, if i like them i'll buy the album.

Media content is overpriced, one of the most expensive being videogames but strangely enough i actually buy them... i think spending say £30 is justifiable as i can play a game all year around. a film i'll watch once then never again.. so i can't justify spending £20 on a bluray disc.
the cinema is an experience, as is a music festival.
discs are not experiences, no matter how good the album/sound system/tv screen

The demand for cheaper products is there, its just a shame the copyright holders are greedy bastards forcing people to pirate.

 

[The Pink Panther]

I think a Ferrari is hugely overpriced. It doesn't give me the right to steal it. Unless you are going to the cinema and rewatching every film you downloaded (same with music, games, etc), then piracy doesn't work as a motivator.

Just like a book, you can always borrow Ric's.
Is that classed as stealing?

 

[sweynforkbeard]

I believe that only in Germany is it currently illegal for spiders to be too ornate in their designs, weave in places that are deemed too difficult to dust or accumulate unsightly collections of over six flies at a time. I believe that most right minded people find these anti-arachnid measures oppressive and would urge you to lobby Mrs Merkel to repeal this legislation.

 

[BulgarianPride]

I think a Ferrari is hugely overpriced. It doesn't give me the right to steal it. Unless you are going to the cinema and rewatching every film you downloaded (same with music, games, etc), then piracy doesn't work as a motivator.

Just like a book, you can always borrow Ric's.
Is that classed as stealing?

it depends did Ric buy it or did he steal it?