F1 Season 2021

What an absolute fuckin shithouse

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Yeah, I used to quite like Max but he needs a good fucking slap the little woman.

I watched the incident several times and it’s clear Max should have backed off rather than squeezing the space going into the apex. Only himself to blame. But I hope he has a complete meltdown now...
 
Been down at Silverstone this weekend and obviously this thread has moved on a bit with what happened in the actual race but what were people's thoughts on the Sprint Race on the Saturday? It definitely added something extra to the weekend for us at the track so can see it staying but it does need tweaking a bit. I'd have more points on offer and going lower down the order (so maybe 10 for a win, 9 for second, 8 for third etc). For me it became a bit processional as there was no point making a risky pass lower down the field as the consequence for getting it wrong was too severe with no incentive for actually making it stick.

It needs to be half as long if it's going to be successful.

I'm not entirely sure the point of it, but the idea is to basically get more action, which all happens in the first 3 laps or so. 17 laps was ridiculous on Saturday because after 5 laps max, everything was pretty much done.


The big question of course is if the new regulations next year make that first few laps worth of excitement carry on a bit longer and 100km suddenly becomes worthwhile.

I think long term they should make it almost a separate thing, like the sprints in cycling's Grand Tours. Hand out points for every place gained in the sprint race and have a king of the overtakes type thing.
 
Yeah, I used to quite like Max but he needs a good fucking slap the little woman.

I watched the incident several times and it’s clear Max should have backed off rather than squeezing the space going into the apex. Only himself to blame. But I hope he has a complete meltdown now...

I think it's reasonable to come down on the side Lewis is to blame, but the idea he should not celebrate winning at Silverstone, his home GP because Max was sitting in A&E with nothing wrong with him is a bit much.
 
It needs to be half as long if it's going to be successful.

I'm not entirely sure the point of it, but the idea is to basically get more action, which all happens in the first 3 laps or so. 17 laps was ridiculous on Saturday because after 5 laps max, everything was pretty much done.


The big question of course is if the new regulations next year make that first few laps worth of excitement carry on a bit longer and 100km suddenly becomes worthwhile.

I think long term they should make it almost a separate thing, like the sprints in cycling's Grand Tours. Hand out points for every place gained in the sprint race and have a king of the overtakes type thing.
I’m ok with it getting points, not so much on changing the grid order
 
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Been down at Silverstone this weekend and obviously this thread has moved on a bit with what happened in the actual race but what were people's thoughts on the Sprint Race on the Saturday? It definitely added something extra to the weekend for us at the track so can see it staying but it does need tweaking a bit. I'd have more points on offer and going lower down the order (so maybe 10 for a win, 9 for second, 8 for third etc). For me it became a bit processional as there was no point making a risky pass lower down the field as the consequence for getting it wrong was too severe with no incentive for actually making it stick.

The sprint race was OK but not half as much fun as the qualifying for it.

Having never done three days at Silverstone before, it was certainly a bonus to have so much F1 action on Friday and Saturday; Friday was the best day so they do need to look at ideas like yours if they want to do more sprints. What they did with F2 was interesting, reversing qualifying positions for the sprint but keeping the original qualifying positions for the main race.
 
I can fully understand Horner being pissed off. Their star man was 33 (?) points ahead, with the possibility of stretching it to, at least, 40 points with a win. And his race is finished after half a lap, with his main rival going on to win and cut the gap to 8 points. Of course he's going to be ratty. But the stewards judged on it, and punished Hamilton for his role in the incident. He (Horner) should let it go now, it's done. What I will say is, if the roles were reversed, and Hamilton had ended up in the tyre wall, this place would have imploded!
There’s ratty and there’s whiny!

Hamilton called on the radio to ask about Max almost immediately, and MULTIPLE experts called it a “racing incident.”

While Lewis may have had half a car width left on the inside, it wasn’t like he could simply turn and point at that speed.

Max, on the other hand, had TWO car widths on the outside, but didn’t want to give up his preferred line, because he felt like IF I TURN IN, HE’S NOT ENTIRELY IN FRONT OF ME AND WILL HAVE TO BACK OFF!

In my book, and from watching the cockpit and steering wheel footage multiple times, Hamilton tries to avoid the collision without giving up position or braking hard into the turn, while Max turns in, stops, turns in again. It is that second turn in that catches the tires.

It looked like a racing incident to me, esp considering the drivers had petitioned to be allowed to race this season, and for once Max came off worse.

Hamilton asked how he was, he was told he was fine and taken to hospital out of an abundance of caution, then TWO HOURS LATER celebrated his historic win on his home track!

Horner looked and sounded a bit childish for me. And, his calling the Race Director to get him to have a word with the stewards should have been beneath him!

Max was Red Bull’s only serious hope for Constructor points in the race and he watched them go up in a cloud of gravel.

One things for certain, Hungary is going to be tasty, so let’s hope it stays safe, and cooler heads prevail after the summer recess.

One point I do want to reiterate that others have also stated: Max doesn’t get to be the upstart aggressor all the time, as he works his way up to displacing the current King. Every now and then, he has to realize not everyone is going to give him the wide berth just because he’s Max! Lewis fought for position, even though Max was all over the place ahead of him. Lewis got his nose inside the corner and fought for the position. Max wanted the line and tried to take it by turning in with LOADS of track to his left. Lewis held his nerve. Max lost out…this time.

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Change the names around and “Welcome to the Silverstone Grand Prix, woman!”


All hail, Sir Lewis Hamilton, 8-time winner of the British Grand Prix!!!
 
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I’m ok with it getting points, not so much on changing the grid order

I think the status quo is perfect, there's 2 forms of assessment on a race weekend, how good you can be on your own, on a clean track, just trying to extract the maximum from your car - and then how good you are at wheel to wheel racing in the Grand Prix.

The sprint race at best is just another assessment of wheel to wheel racing, and at worse judges how lucky you are because the chaos at the beginning often comes down to luck.


If they have to change it, I would take the whole thing further. Make it a separate classification.

Have qualifying on Friday to sort out the starting order for the GP. Put weight handicaps in the form of more fuel on the fastest qualifiers to level out the performance between cars*, and then have a sprint race with points for overtaking and finishing on the podium (so there's incentive to stay in front if you start on the front row).

Limit the repairs made between Sprint and GP so no one gets too reckless - you can still ruin your Sunday if you wipe out on the sprint.

Use the points in the constructors championship and a secondary lower level award for drivers, like the Green Jersey in the Tour de France.

Weight handicaps for the sprint would be a way of undermining the old "fastest car wins regardless of driver" thing that F1 has to deal with.
 
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The sprint race was OK but not half as much fun as the qualifying for it.

Having never done three days at Silverstone before, it was certainly a bonus to have so much F1 action on Friday and Saturday; Friday was the best day so they do need to look at ideas like yours if they want to do more sprints. What they did with F2 was interesting, reversing qualifying positions for the sprint but keeping the original qualifying positions for the main race.

Yeh it definitely added something to the weekend and there have been a few other suggestions on here for how it could be improved so I think it definitely has the potential to evolve into something, although as is so often the case the best races were the support ones, that GT race on the Sunday morning for example was brilliant!
 
I think it's reasonable to come down on the side Lewis is to blame, but the idea he should not celebrate winning at Silverstone, his home GP because Max was sitting in A&E with nothing wrong with him is a bit much.

The idea that Lewis wasn't going to celebrate in front of that crowd was totally unrealistic.

I would be at all surprised if the way Lewis went for it was a factor of how motivated the crowd had him: I sure he had a bit of extra determination. I also don't think it is unreasonable to come to the conclusion that Lewis didn't do much, if anything, wrong.
 

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