F1 thread - 2019 Season

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Ferrari only have themselves to blame, again. The choice to start on the soft tyres meant their hard tyres were ten laps older than Verstappen's at the end and that, combined with the better chassis of the Red Bull and slip-stream/DRS, is why he was able to pass him. He was miles faster at the end.

I've just watched it again on C4 and DC said that Max was "too fair" on the previous lap when he left him loads of room. But that time he's again ahead by the apex and has the inside line... But he was going in hotter so went deeper. But not out of control, at all. It's then up to Leclerc to keep fighting around the outside or lift off and accept your fate. To his credit he kept at it, but it was already over. Verstappen didn't have to leave him any room and watching his steering wheel he had full lock on and kept a constant radius through the corner. As Mark webber said in commentary "Check-Mate".

I can't believe that anyone, outside Ferrari, would think there was anything wrong with it. Actually I'd quite like to hear what "Not like the old days" Vettel says this time...?

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Ferrari only have themselves to blame, again. The choice to start on the soft tyres meant their hard tyres were ten laps older than Verstappen's at the end and that, combined with the better chassis of the Red Bull and slip-stream/DRS, is why he was able to pass him. He was miles faster at the end.

I've just watched it again on C4 and DC said that Max was "too fair" on the previous lap when he left him loads of room. But that time he's again ahead by the apex and has the inside line... But he was going in hotter so went deeper. But not out of control, at all. It's then up to Leclerc to keep fighting around the outside or lift off and accept your fate. To his credit he kept at it, but it was already over. Verstappen didn't have to leave him any room and watching his steering wheel he had full lock on and kept a constant radius through the corner. As Mark webber said in commentary "Check-Mate".

I can't believe that anyone, outside Ferrari, would think there was anything wrong with it. Actually I'd quite like to hear what "Not like the old days" Vettel says this time...?

I suggest you watch the manoeuvre again.
Leclerc literally has nowhere to go

 

[bluealf]

He does turn in but only when Leclerc runs out of road

So he should have braked then :)

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

So he should have braked then :)

He did brake? The problem is he turns but verstappen keeps going straight until Leclerc runs out of road and they hit
Unless you want him to stop on track that is which means everybody should just park the bus on the apex so to speak

 

[bluealf]

He did brake? The problem is he turns but verstappen keeps going straight until Leclerc runs out of road and they hit
Unless you want him to stop on track that is which means everybody should just park the bus on the apex so to speak

I still think you are looking at the incident with your Ferrari glasses and hat on, he was done like a kipper on the inside and choose to try and defend from the outside and he just was never going to be able to do that, you say Verstappen went straight but I think you are exaggerating that a little.

For a guy that has bemoaned the lack of racing excitement all season, it is a strange stance tbh.

A great move rewarded with the victory, I felt for the boy as he drove well but Ferrari probably made an error with the tyres and he was struggling in the later stages.

I will go and look at it one final time and see if I can spot your complaints :)

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

I still think you are looking at the incident with your Ferrari glasses and hat on, he was done like a kipper on the inside and choose to try and defend from the outside and he just was never going to be able to do that, you say Verstappen went straight but I think you are exaggerating that a little.

For a guy that has bemoaned the lack of racing excitement all season, it is a strange stance tbh.

A great move rewarded with the victory, I felt for the boy as he drove well but Ferrari probably made an error with the tyres and he was struggling in the later stages.

I will go and look at it one final time and see if I can spot your complaints :)

Max made a daring move, which I'm not really against but I've seen that move done before where the attacking driver ensures the the defending driver has nowhere to go on track.
You legally have to leave the other car space on the track otherwise you're breaking the rules.
Rosbergb did it loads to Lewis where he basically pushed him off the track but called it 'closing the door'

Btw I just wanna make the point I didn't want a penalty, but if you're following the letter of the law like the FIA did at Canada rather than letting them race, I can't see how it isn't a pen.

 

[bluealf]

Max made a daring move, which I'm not really against but I've seen that move done before where the attacking driver ensures the the defending driver has nowhere to go on track.
You legally have to leave the other car space on the track otherwise you're breaking the rules.
Rosbergb did it loads to Lewis where he basically pushed him off the track but called it 'closing the door'

Btw I just wanna make the point I didn't want a penalty, but if you're following the letter of the law like the FIA did at Canada rather than letting them race, I can't see how it isn't a pen.

You keep mentioning Canada but that is such a different scenario to yesterday, Vettel made a fuck up under pressure and left the track and swerved back on in front of another car, making that car go towards the wall.

How is that comparable to Verstappen taking LeClerc on the inside and then having the Ferrari turn into him 3/4's of the way through the bend?

Vastly different incidents, people will start to say you are just pissed that Ferrari got the wrong end of both decisions :p

 

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I suggest you watch the manoeuvre again.
Leclerc literally has nowhere to go

He should've taken the inside line then and made Max go around the outside. But he didn't, mainly because at that corner the Ferrari was slower on the exit when it took the inside, so all race the Ferraris were both taking the wide line. That's fine if you're on your own, but if you're under attack from a much faster car then you need to defend the inside. The reason he didn't is because if he had, then Max would've then had him at the next corner instead.

I've watched it multiple times mate. Here you go.... https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/f1/11751970/verstappen-leads-in-austria

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

You keep mentioning Canada but that is such a different scenario to yesterday, Vettel made a fuck up under pressure and left the track and swerved back on in front of another car, making that car go towards the wall.

How is that comparable to Verstappen taking LeClerc on the inside and then having the Ferrari turn into him 3/4's of the way through the bend?

Vastly different incidents, people will start to say you are just pissed that Ferrari got the wrong end of both decisions :p

I think you're missing my point mate.

I'm not a fool I'm well aware that Canada and Austria were different incidents, just hear me out.

What I am saying is by the letter of the law BOTH are penalties. My issue is that in Canada the FIA decided to adhere to the letter of the law strictly rather than allow Lewis and Seb to continue racing.

Now please note that I have no problem with the letter of the law being applied strictly, as long as it is done so CONSISTENTLY.

In Austria yesterday the FIA did not do this, instead of sticking to the letter of the law like they did in Canada, they decided to apply "the spirit of racing" rather than the "letter of the law"

Now if you're asking me, do I prefer the letter of the law to prevail, or the spirit of racing to apply; I will take the latter every single time.

My point is, either apply the letter of the law all of the time, or try to apply the spirit of racing whenever humanly possible.

Don't mix and match the two

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

He should've taken the inside line then and made Max go around the outside. But he didn't, mainly because at that corner the Ferrari was slower on the exit when it took the inside, so all race the Ferraris were both taking the wide line. That's fine if you're on your own, but if you're under attack from a much faster car then you need to defend the inside. The reason he didn't is because if he had, then Max would've then had him at the next corner instead.

I've watched it multiple times mate. Here you go.... https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/f1/11751970/verstappen-leads-in-austria

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I don't know why Charles took the outside line mate, perhaps he felt he could get him on the switchback manoeuvre? Could be inexperience also.

My issue is that Max parked the car in such a way that Charles was forced off of the track, there was simply nowhere for Charles to go which is why they collided