FA Cup Quarter-Final Draw | Burnley (H)

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SebastianBlue said:
I can understand that, and agree it can get a bit much (even from me at times), but the reason it persists is because the FA chooses to use a non-random, fairly easily influenced process for selection for no real reason.

Even if they wanted to use a ball selection process, they should be using the ‘no human contact’ lottery standard, but they don’t.

I personally raise these concerns as a professional in the field of data science because there really is no reason for them other than to possibly allow influencing outcomes (under the guise of presumably increasing viewership by using famous people to “liven up” the process).

It’s not a random draw—not even remotely close to it—and the design makes undue influence actually fairly easy, and so criticism of it is fairly reasonable.
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I can guarantee you one thing without been a mathematician. The day they do the draw without human interaction, will be the same day that the number of people convinced it’s all fixed will increase fifty fold. Which is probably why they still use the much easier fixable option.
 
Stephen230 said:
I can guarantee you one thing without been a mathematician. The day they do the draw without human interaction, will be the same day that the number of people convinced it’s all fixed will increase fifty fold. Which is probably why they still use the much easier fixable option.
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Personally I would be fine keeping the present method but going out and grabbing two random people off the street to do it, preferably somebody who didn't even like football.
 
Gray said:
Keep up the good work, Maths was the only subject I ever excelled at when at school.

I achieved a 97% mark in my GCE 'O Level' and was pissed off that I did not get the 100%.
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Similar to my experience. But because I have OCD—and was especially less socially “reasonable” back then—I actually made an appeal and was told my only recourse would be to resit if I wanted. So I did, and got a slightly lower mark.

At that point my advisor told me I was being an idiot and to just take the high marks and be done with it.

I will admit, though, I was very tempted to take it again.
 
Stephen230 said:
I can guarantee you one thing without been a mathematician. The day they do the draw without human interaction, will be the same day that the number of people convinced it’s all fixed will increase fifty fold. Which is probably why they still use the much easier fixable option.
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Has the same thing happened with the lotteries around the world?

But to your larger point, I would never advocate for a purely ‘black box’ solution, either, as that would create even more suspicion.
 
M18CTID said:
I'd be surprised if tickets are priced higher than that. Maybe the ones in level 2 will be but I can't imagine the NS or SS being higher than that. I could be wrong though as demand for tickets for our home games is higher than I can ever remember
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Usually I'd 100% agree,but the Haaland factor and good old fashion greed might get in the way. I hope the powers that be do the right thing.
 
Gray said:
Personally I would be fine keeping the present method but going out and grabbing two random people off the street to do it, preferably somebody who didn't even like football.
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As long as those random people are pulled off the streets of Stoke I think it would be as fair (and as close-to-random) a process as possible.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Of course you are correct, as the “you must be fun at parties” and “thanks professor” responses to my posts obviously support.

For me, having being deep in the field for so long, and seeing how it is being increasingly used to influence, manipulate, (and at times control) people’s lives, it is frightening the level of apathy or outright resistance to anyone trying to raise these concerns and help educate others about the way these systems work and why they are important.

I think a lot of that comes with the “we’ve had enough of experts” and the anti-intelligencia movements over the last few decades.

And I can say from experience many entities—public and private—are absolutely capitalising on those trends to take advantage of people. Which is both sad and frustrating from my perspective.
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You're far, far deeper into statistics and its applications than I ever was Seb, and your understanding of these systems and their everyday relevancy in modern life is beyond mine, but I don't want you to think that my "dog chasing its tail" remark was aimed at you, it was more about my experiences than yours :)

I too applaud your enthusiasm and desire to get these concepts out there for people to understand and learn. I just hope you have more luck than I did :)

And for the record, all but a handful of the mathematicians I have EVER met have been the MOST fun people to have at parties, possibly due to their ability to just think "differently" to the majority of the population in everything they do. It's commonly known as "being a bit mental" :)
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
You're far, far deeper into statistics and its applications than I ever was Seb, and your understanding of these systems and their everyday relevancy in modern life is beyond mine, but I don't want you to think that my "dog chasing its tail" remark was aimed at you, it was more about my experiences than yours :)

I too applaud your enthusiasm and desire to get these concepts out there for people to understand and learn. I just hope you have more luck than I did :)

And for the record, all but a handful of the mathematicians I have EVER met have been the MOST fun people to have at parties, possibly due to their ability to just think "differently" to the majority of the population in everything they do. It's commonly known as "being a bit mental" :)
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Haha, I knew you weren’t having a go but thanks for doing the extra bit to clarify!

And I agree about mathematicians being great at parties — it’s how I met my missus and I am definitely punching well above my weight with her, so she is either crazy or I was charming and “fun” at least once!
 
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