Factual Old-school City Myths that are untrue

The United friendly game that Paul Stewart played in came in a four-team tournament at Maine Road held over two successive nights at the start of August 1987. It featured City, United, a Brazilian outfit called Atletico Mineiro, and PSV Eindhoven (who won the European Cup just under three months previously).

On the first night, Mineiro played PSV and City faced United, with the two losing sides to play the next night in third-place play off and the two winning sides to play to win the tournament. Mineiro beat PSV in the first game, and then United beat us 3-1. As noted earlier in the thread, Stewart was taken off at the behest of the ref, who said the player would be sent off if Machin didn't sub him. The next night, we beat PSV 3-1 and United beat Mineiro.

The tournament was originally announced as an annual thing, with City and United to alternate as hosts. IIRC, though, United backed out the next year. Officially, they claimed that they were relaying the pitch at Old Trafford, but when City offered to host it again with United then taking the next two in a row, they still refused, suggesting they just didn't fancy it any more.

City played a third testimonial in addition to those mentioned above for Albiston in May 1988 and Duxbury in August 1989. There was one for Kevin Moran in August 1988. We took another huge following, and were 2-1 up at one stage but lost 5-2. We played pretty well, though, and I remember it making me fairy optimistic about our chances of promotion. A couple of the goals came right at the end and, while United were a little better on the day, the eventual scoreline flattered them a little bit.

I remember the Palace game clearly. They were a bunch of thugs, as noted, and they were trying to rile Nixon all game, but it was a blatant sending off. I remember John Gidman, as an experienced old pro, signalling to Nixon to go down but he just stood there. To say there were around 20K in a ground holding more than 50K, it was a great atmosphere even before the sending off, but that took it up even another notch. I remember the place going mad when, at 1-1, we got a penalty.

Unfortunately, Stewart smacked it against the post and Stevie Redmond, as a stand-in 'keeper, could produce no McDonald/Gleghorn/Quinn heroics between the sticks. Ended an unbeaten run of 12 games in which we scored 44 times, and though we won at Millwall the next week, we then went into freefall a bit and were never serious promotion contenders in the New Year.
 
I'm going to stick my neck out and say no he didn't.

Off the top of my head he was signed in 1987 just before the old style transfer window closed and we'd already played united twice by then. Played a full season (I think) the following season (87/88) when we were in Divsion 2 (so no Derbies) before being sold to Spurs.

No cup games against united in that time (I think) and no testimonials (iirc). Albiston and Duxbury's were after he left (I think!).

Never played for us again (or united at all).

Could be wrong though, mate!
CITY 1 MANCHESTER UNITED 3

Manchester International Football Tournament

4th August 1987

attendance ???

ScorersCity Simpson(76)
United Robson(11), McClair(42 & 51)

ref Neil Midgley

City Nixon, Gidman, Hinchliffe, Clements, Brightwell, Redmond, White, Stewart, Varadi, Scott, McNab – used sub Simpson
 
CITY 1 MANCHESTER UNITED 3

Manchester International Football Tournament

4th August 1987

attendance ???

ScorersCity Simpson(76)
United Robson(11), McClair(42 & 51)

ref Neil Midgley

City Nixon, Gidman, Hinchliffe, Clements, Brightwell, Redmond, White, Stewart, Varadi, Scott, McNab – used sub Simpson
I stand corrected. Thanks for that, mate - and Petrusha (I don't remember Stewart's penalty but I do remember Redmond's hapless performance in nets).

I stand out-geeked!
 
The record books quote appearances in competitive first-team games, so no friendlies, testimonials, reserve appearances or whatever. However, this is a thread on an internet message board and IMO we can count what we want. ;)

Going back to the Palace game, I remember it quite well because it came at the end of my first term at university and a mate from Northern Ireland came up with me to watch it. We were in the North Stand, towards the very back, more or less under the scoreboard. I remember the atmosphere that day, and it transmitted itself to people on the pitch - our 'experienced' players like Gidman and McNab both lost their heads and could easily have been sent off as the game came to a close. They were kicking everything that moved! I've always tended to be a quiet but nervy watcher and I don't particularly remember being any different that day, but I must have been, as my mate assured me later that I was on my feet for the whole of the last 25 minutes or so (from the sending off onwards), screaming obscenities at the ref and the Palace players. I guess it was that kind of day! :)
 
remamber that game,think we beat Forest 3-0 in the League cup and were on a really good run,was a case of our youngsters meeting their match against an experienced well organised Palace,can remember Wright&Bright behaving like pure twats the whole game & Nixon 'bit' ha....Bright seemed to mellow a bit as he got older whereas Wright went on to become 1 of the most hated players the Premiership has seen regardless of how good he was....
 
Talking of testimonials against the rags, Dennis Irwin's was a tetchy affair, George Weah took out Irwin with a rough old challenge and Irwin had to go off injured. Beckham and Tiatto were niggling each other throughout the match and if anything it was even more hostile than the usual competitive derbies. Oh and Alfie Haaland was his usual self in that game too IIRC.
 
Paul Walsh was really great when he was swapped for Gerry Creaney. From all MCIVTA reports at the time he had completely lost it.

I read somewhere (possibly Gary James' last book) that Walsh himself told Ball that he thought his legs had gone and he couldn't cut it in the Premier League anymore. He was quite keen to move down a level.
 
It is a myth,Many years ago he was in the cotton tree one Sunday,he was next to me at the bar,so I asked him the question,he lifted up the sleeves on his shirt.......No tattoo
Nice enough lad,but his hanger-on's didn't like me asking,he got quite upset actually,and threatened to have me "done in"
Happy days......
In the good old days when SoccerAM was half decent, I rang their rumour hotline and told the tattoo story to Tim Lovejoy. He was well impressed and said they'd try to find out the truth. A week later, Butt gave an interview to the NOTW denying "these ridiculous rumours".
 
Nicky Reid lost my cricket ball.

That is actually true but has until yet failed to capture the imagination of the public.
 
Remember the Duxbury one well. David Oldfield got one of the goals. Great atmosphere in the scoreboard end that day. God I'd love to take today's team there with that allocation rather than the bit we get now out of the way. It would be fucking dynamite.

So did he play in Albiston's or not? I can't tell :-/

We played two testimonials over the summer of '88. Arthur Albiston's was at the end of the season on the 8th May and Kevin Moran's on 21st August. I'm sure Stewart played in Albiston's as I remember thinking this will be his last game for City? Duxbury's was'89. The main thing I remember from one of the games was United wheeling out a few old boys like Wilkins and Stapleton and then Stapleton chasing a ball towards the City fans and pulling his hamstring... much to the amusement of us all... cue "Ohhhh Wanky Franky...."
 

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