Fairer Loyalty Points Scheme?

[WNRH]

The people that hve them points have earn't them. Almost every away ticket is on general sale so that is not a problem. We have 36k season ticket holders. I myself didn't get a ticket for O.T and have just over 4,000 points. Just hit 21 so i consider myself in a pretty good positio I also understand why i didnt get a derby ticket at O.T.

People should stop moaning and get on with it, no fan magically got a huge amount of points by not attending, they earnt them by going to games over the years. So why penalise them? Because fans want to now go? I dont think so.

Instead of questioning points for a loyalty O.T. ticket shouldn't you instead ask why 900 corporates got tickets at this years derbys.
idiots

Not true, some have become ticket touts unintentionally without realising. I went to every game bar two two seasons ago, on someone else's card, he went to one, the derby at old trafford.

 

[ManCitizens.]

The people that hve them points have earn't them. Almost every away ticket is on general sale so that is not a problem. We have 36k season ticket holders. I myself didn't get a ticket for O.T and have just over 4,000 points. Just hit 21 so i consider myself in a pretty good positio I also understand why i didnt get a derby ticket at O.T.

People should stop moaning and get on with it, no fan magically got a huge amount of points by not attending, they earnt them by going to games over the years. So why penalise them? Because fans want to now go? I dont think so.

Instead of questioning points for a loyalty O.T. ticket shouldn't you instead ask why 900 corporates got tickets at this years derbys.
idiots

Not true, some have become ticket touts unintentionally without realising. I went to every game bar two two seasons ago, on someone else's card, he went to one, the derby at old trafford.

Just updated my post, you may not have saw it but ill make the same comment again.

Since the new system (after the 5 year regulars) ive had a season ticket every year (even b4 then) and have been to about 40-60 away games in that time. Also been to quite a few cup ties and have collected over 4000 points. Anybody that has more than me has obviously spent the money and has been to the games. 3/5 years ago a tout wouldn't have been able to sell a ticket home or away because we simply didn't sell out.

2 seasons ago you could have bought your own card/ season ticket, even last season you could. So don't try that old chestnut. If you thought ahead you would have your own Citycard/ season ticket (would have been cheaper if you went to that amount of games).

Points dont magically get added on, as i have said they are earn't. I know i wont get a ticket for O.T. next year etc but thats because i haven't been to enough games. simple as

Its time people accepted 2/3 years of games doesn't warrant a place amongst our elite supporters.

 

[bainy]

Tonster said the last few away games went on open sale.

Chatting shit, Chelsea didn't , united didn't, county didn't , Leicester didn't, Arsenal didn't but maybe Brum did. Very few have in 2011

It is impossible to catch up unless you go to dire fiendlies in New York and ZA.That is fair isn't it?

It is the part timers who ar against change. No one else has anything to fear.

Thing is though mate if you stick at it you will catch up and everyone who was there during the Pearce era are worthy of the crown jewels.
Can't be much fairer than that can you?

Chelsea never used to sell out when we took the bigger allocation - always went on open sale. The problem this year and last is that we only took 1500 tickets. That was the problem with arsenal this year - if we would of took the full allocation for a night game it may have gone on open sale. The same for chelsea IMO. City got it wrong - however when we struggled to sell out chelsea under pearce and hughes you cant blame them. Hopefully next year we will order the bigger allocation for these games.
COME ON CITY!!!!

 

[Tonster]

Tonster said the last few away games went on open sale.

Chatting shit, Chelsea didn't , united didn't, county didn't , Leicester didn't, Arsenal didn't but maybe Brum did. Very few have in 2011

It is impossible to catch up unless you go to dire fiendlies in New York and ZA.That is fair isn't it?

It is the part timers who ar against change. No one else has anything to fear.

Er Corky, I didn't say anything of the sort. I said most away games over the last few years made open sale not the last few games.

But even this season the following away games made open sale/city card holders, Spurs, Timisoara, Sunderland, Salzburg, Wigan, West Brom in Carling, Wolves, Poznan, West Brom, Fulham, Stoke, West Ham, Villa, Aris and Kiev.

So don't let's say there is no opportunity to catch up there is. And in a normal season Arse and Chelski would have made open sale if City had taken the full allocation (as in some previous years).

In the league this year (excluding reduced allocations at Chelsea and Arse) I think only United, Blackpool and Newcastle sold out prior to Citycards.

And in previous years especially under Pearce, Royle etc only United would have gone prior to open sale. You can't just wipe out all that loyalty.

Personally, I wouldn't lose out as I miss on average one game a season home and away but there is a principle here that those who supported the club through all the shit over the last decade since points came in should stay near the top of the pile if they continue going and if they go to less then they fall down the list, it's simple and as fair as you would get it.

Youngsters will have to wait, go to the away games they can (at least 80%+ in a season currently possible) and bide their time like I and others did.

 

[RACHACE]

The people that hve them points have earn't them. Almost every away ticket is on general sale so that is not a problem. We have 36k season ticket holders. I myself didn't get a ticket for O.T and have just over 4,000 points. Just hit 21 so i consider myself in a pretty good positio I also understand why i didnt get a derby ticket at O.T.

People should stop moaning and get on with it, no fan magically got a huge amount of points by not attending, they earnt them by going to games over the years. So why penalise them? Because fans want to now go? I dont think so.

Instead of questioning points for a loyalty O.T. ticket shouldn't you instead ask why 900 corporates got tickets at this years derbys.
idiots

Not true, some have become ticket touts unintentionally without realising. I went to every game bar two two seasons ago, on someone else's card, he went to one, the derby at old trafford.[/quote]

This is ridiculous and your actions hve added to the "problem" some fans have got.

You have helped a fan who has a decent amount of points gain more points without actually attending, now I am not saying that this is your mates plan as he was just helping out another blue who wanted to attend a match that he felt he did'nt have the points for, which is fine. However 2 seasons ago you could have done every away game bar 2 with a small amount of points, earning YOURSELF loyalty points in the region of 400-500 inc cup games.

Do that amount of games for a sustained period (5-6 years) and I am sure you will have caught the majority up and be in contention for the more glamourous away games, do it for 10-15 years and you will be sitting in a position where you won't have to worry about getting an away tickets again. Unless of course it all changes, which it probably will.

In 5 years or so the system will probably be that loyalty will be deemed to be those that go to consecutive games here and now, therefore basically those that can afford to go here and now will be seen as more loyal than a fan who has been going for 15 years but can no longer afford to do consecutive games as he/she has been priced out of the market.

Then we WILL have a debate here on Bluemoon, most our fans are Northern working class and if a system where here and now "loyalty" is rewarded over the proper loyalty is implemented then I imagine it will ruffle quite a few feathers. Mine included.<br /><br />-- Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:14 pm --<br /><br />

Putting my two penneth in. The system is as fair as it can be. I speak as a 41 year old been going for 20+ years and with just over 8000 points.

But for the younger ones they will just have to wait (like I and many others did). When I first started going I only got tickets for the swamp by queuing for hours (pre-points) but if the points system was in then I wouldn't have got them as I had only just started going and others would have been ahead of me and that would have been fair.

Let's be honest over the last few years nearly every away game has made open sale and so those that REALLY wanted to go could have done but didn't and now demand for the big games is there everyone is bleating about it. If they did go they would have started to catch others up quickly (as many obviously weren't going, the numbers backed that up).

Finally, points should be just a side issue to WANTING to go and support your team. I would be there regardless of points because I want to, not because of points on offer.

The loyalty points issue has once again been raised on BM because we may have a semi-final at Wembley to look forward to. It is usually the flavour of the month when a big away game with limited ticket allocation is on the horizon but mark my words, if (god forbid) we lose on Sunday, this topic will be put to bed for another season.

As has already been mentioned on this thread (and many others on the same issue), most of our away games go to Citycard /general sale. The main bone of contention regarding lack of tickets this season has been Chelsea away when the club decided to take a reduced allocation. I am sure that the club will learn from this decision but some of the allocations that we were getting when in the second and third tiers of English football were tiny. I and other City fans were scrambling around for tickets for those games on a weekly basis. We would have been over the moon with a 1500 allocation in those days.

United away is always going to sell out but I have had to stand / sit in the home end at Old Trafford when I didn't qualify for an away ticket. That is what supporting City is all about. It isn't about collecting loyalty points for the so called glamour games; it's about following your team, going to the less popular away games because you want to and not so you will have a better chance of getting a ticket for a Wembley semi-final.

As a 43 year old who has had a season ticket for over thirty years, I have had to build my points up by attending games. I had to go through the system at Maine Road to be then classed as a "regular" season ticket holder. I then have continued to attend games home and away whilst we have been at CoMS to get to the position that I am in now that entitles me to a ticket for any game on day one of sales.

Those fans who unfortunately did not to get a ticket for United, Chelsea and Blackpool; your time will come. I have had to build up points over the years and whilst living in London, I never missed a home or away game for seven consecutive seasons. I have had to put a hell of a lot of time, money and effort into not missing games and I will continue to do so.

Why have I done it?

It wasn't to get loyalty points. It was to follow my club. The club that I love!

There have been a few threads on Bluemoon that attack OSCs and making statements that supporters with next to no points have attended games like United away. I have been a member of two different OSCs over the years and I have never come across supporters that have managed to get to attend high profile games without meeting the relevant loyalty points criteria.

If people on here do have concrete evidence of OSCs fiddling allocations then I say name and shame them as that is out of order. I would be very surprised if that actually happens.
Many on here believe they should be entitled to a semi-final ticket because they have attended all the cup games this season.

If the club had have come out at the start of the season and stated that should we have a good cup run, then those that have attended all the games will get first refusal on a semi-final and final ticket, then they would have a valid point.

However, that isn't the case but as it is, any seasoncard holder that wants a semi-final ticket will get one and the majority will get a final ticket so loyalty points won't come into the equation in the way that most on here believe.

That brings me back to United away and as has been said..... your time will come when you qualify for a ticket.

Good post Uwes Grandad, I agree with the majority you have wrote but I cannot agree with the part I have put in bold.

I have been a member of 2 OSC's in the last 6 years and I know for certain that there have been fans that have joined the OSC with very low loyalty points and have got tickets for more popular fixtures like Manure, Arsenal, Blackpool etc etc.

This is because they have shown loyalty to the branch, attended quite a few away games during the season and maybe 1 or 2 european trips that have been organised by the particular branch.

This is wrong imo, but I won't lie I have taken advantage of it in the past in order to follow the blues. Imo there is quite a bit of fiddling the system where the OSC's are concerned and they get too many tickets using corrupt methods.

OSC ticket allocation should be far more transparent and ticket distribution should be monitored more, if Mr Bloggs buys a ticket on his season card either by himself or via an OSC then MR Bloggs SHOULD attend the fixture and then Mr Bloggs should be rewarded for that.

Mr Bloggs should not be able to buy a ticket and pass it on gaining himself "loyalty" points in the process and Mr Bloggs seasoncard number should not be being used by an OSC to obtain extra tickets for the branch members that don't have the required amount of loyalty points.

Like I have said, I have resorted to the corrupt way of getting a ticket before in order to follow the team I adore so maybe some will see me a hypocrite. But the system needs to be looked at to make it fairer, we are now approaching a very very rich period of success and demand for tickets will be far higher than it has been since I have been going and a more transparent/fair ticket allocation system needs to be introduced.

 

[SWP's back]

wow are we close to a semi final or a big game, this has got 12 pages, all those moaning about points did you stay at home when it was cold and wet or did you pop down the pub to watch whilst i spent my hard earned attending the game

That doesn't really have anything to do with a rolling ten year period does it and it wouldn't affect you or the people on low points. Did you not understand the op or are you a little slow?

 

[pissedagain]

you dont know me so please dont ask if i m slow and if i am its got fuck all to do with you...oh and soon to be 15 pages..must be some really big games coming up

 

[Corky]

Tonster said the last few away games went on open sale.

Chatting shit, Chelsea didn't , united didn't, county didn't , Leicester didn't, Arsenal didn't but maybe Brum did. Very few have in 2011

It is impossible to catch up unless you go to dire fiendlies in New York and ZA.That is fair isn't it?

It is the part timers who ar against change. No one else has anything to fear.

Er Corky, I didn't say anything of the sort. I said most away games over the last few years made open sale not the last few games.

But even this season the following away games made open sale/city card holders, Spurs, Timisoara, Sunderland, Salzburg, Wigan, West Brom in Carling, Wolves, Poznan, West Brom, Fulham, Stoke, West Ham, Villa, Aris and Kiev.

So don't let's say there is no opportunity to catch up there is. And in a normal season Arse and Chelski would have made open sale if City had taken the full allocation (as in some previous years).

In the league this year (excluding reduced allocations at Chelsea and Arse) I think only United, Blackpool and Newcastle sold out prior to Citycards.

And in previous years especially under Pearce, Royle etc only United would have gone prior to open sale. You can't just wipe out all that loyalty.

Personally, I wouldn't lose out as I miss on average one game a season home and away but there is a principle here that those who supported the club through all the shit over the last decade since points came in should stay near the top of the pile if they continue going and if they go to less then they fall down the list, it's simple and as fair as you would get it.

Youngsters will have to wait, go to the away games they can (at least 80%+ in a season currently possible) and bide their time like I and others did.

Then you wouldn't lose out relative to others similar to you.

The only poepl ewho lose out is the ones that stop going aways and just pick the big matches to attend.

Only Games from Norwich 2001 away onwards count, not Royle and before, those points have already been wipped out as they were never given. This would be a new cut off point that would be fair to all.

The allocation for Chelsae was not recuced, as that is all we have taken for he past decade, it is normal for us. FA Cups away almost always sold out too bar midweek replays and Ipwsicth on Sunday night.

A lot of people are unable to pay more than the price of a season ticket to watch 'city' play in eastern europe. They can't be loyal.

 

[SWP's back]

Tonster said the last few away games went on open sale.

Chatting shit, Chelsea didn't , united didn't, county didn't , Leicester didn't, Arsenal didn't but maybe Brum did. Very few have in 2011

It is impossible to catch up unless you go to dire fiendlies in New York and ZA.That is fair isn't it?

It is the part timers who ar against change. No one else has anything to fear.

Thing is though mate if you stick at it you will catch up and everyone who was there during the Pearce era are worthy of the crown jewels.
Can't be much fairer than that can you?

How can a ten year rolling period ever be unfair?<br /><br />-- Sat Mar 12, 2011 12:21 pm --<br /><br />

you dont know me so please dont ask if i m slow and if i am its got fuck all to do with you...oh and soon to be 15 pages..must be some really big games coming up

So you still haven't read or undestand the op?

Slow it is.

Ps- this isn't about the big games coming up, I have more than enough points to attend all of them.

Try reading and understanding before posting please.

A rolling ten year period penalises no one.

 

[dw7]

During the Pearce era (I think) you got 300 and 400+ points for renewing your season ticket I don't think it be fair to wipe these points off