Fairer Loyalty Points Scheme?

[trumpton]

Sounds about right if my memory serves me right mate.

I think it was 1,500 but i'm not 100%

It was 1500 points to those who were regular season ticket holders (i.e. 5 years or more). Fairly certain points started for the last season at Maine Road. Remember it also being 150 points for renewing the following season - first season at COMS

Any suggested system has to be better than the one we currently have which takes points off you if you do not renew your season ticket! That was kick in the nads that made me not renew, once i was well enough to do so.

Pick and choose my home games (if that makes me a plastic part timer i can live with it) and I now no longer get to the big away games, but do still enjoy days away at the likes of Wigan, West Brom etc. If in doubt, a ticket in the home end will do me!

 

[dw7]

I think it was 1,500 but i'm not 100%

Loyalty points system started in 1999. I remember buying my first season ticket at 13 to get so i had enough points to get a wembley ticket for the playoffs.

This isn't true at all

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Those who've been to the games should have a better chance of getting a ticket to the better games away, semi and final tickets. I think that the smaller allocation of better away tickets could be allocated on a % basis with, say 90% going to those at the top of the tree and the other 10% drawn out of a hat for those in the second and third category. Adds just a bit of interest AND the possibility of being lucky. Nothing fairer than being drawn out of a hat.

 

[trumpton]

Loyalty points system started in 1999. I remember buying my first season ticket at 13 to get so i had enough points to get a wembley ticket for the playoffs.

This isn't true at all

I remember Bristol Rovers away in 1999 went on sale first to regular season ticket holders with 20 away match stubs. Loyalty points fairly certain started at beginning of 2002/2003 season

 

[blueinsa]

This thread smack of a few selfish posters who are shitting their pants at the thought of not getting a ticket for a possible semi final or final and are now crying how unfair it all is to younger fans like themselves.

We have a system in place that rewards loyalty and if you are a season card holder of a good few years that has also attended a fair few away games, you will have no issue getting a ticket and rightly so at it clearly shows that your loyalty is there.

For those that don't have the points, i sympathise but your time will come when you have the points and newer fans wont and i will take a guess that you wont want a change then!

That's a little unfair. I started the thread and have no problems with my points. They got me everygame I wanted this season apart from utd away and Blackpool. It's about trying to ensure that younger loyal fans are punished simply for being born later.

The current system only started when we moved to coms and newer fans will never be able to catch up. A rolling system has to be fairer and doesn't preclude older fans from staying at the top so long as they keep going.

The older fans will sadly die...the current fans will gain points and become top dogs re points and the newer fans will face the same problem....

There is a natural cycle in all this.

If you are a season card holder you will get a ticket unless you are extremely unlucky so i don't see the big issue re Wembley and although the same wont apply to any Euro final probably, those that have earnt the right to be there by going to games will get tickets and rightly so.

What is wrong is the club, cheapening the system by suddenly saying to many fans that for years have travelled up and down the country, the 10 points they got for doing so is not as important as a home tie against Notts County for example?

Way too many have started to think that a few cup games this season is a badge of honour and should automatically put them in front of many fans that for years have spent the money and done the miles so to speak.

Anyone overly worries needs to just join a supporters club and get friendly with the secretary anyway....ticket sorted ;-)

 

[danebanksheik]

This thread smack of a few selfish posters who are shitting their pants at the thought of not getting a ticket for a possible semi final or final and are now crying how unfair it all is to younger fans like themselves.

We have a system in place that rewards loyalty and if you are a season card holder of a good few years that has also attended a fair few away games, you will have no issue getting a ticket and rightly so at it clearly shows that your loyalty is there.

For those that don't have the points, i sympathise but your time will come when you have the points and newer fans wont and i will take a guess that you wont want a change then!

That's a little unfair. I started the thread and have no problems with my points. They got me everygame I wanted this season apart from utd away and Blackpool. It's about trying to ensure that younger loyal fans are punished simply for being born later.

The current system only started when we moved to coms and newer fans will never be able to catch up. A rolling system has to be fairer and doesn't preclude older fans from staying at the top so long as they keep going.

So does that make it fair?
Surely if the older fan keeps going they have earned the right to have first dibs on the ticket. in a rolling scenario, those who have been going for 10 years will have the same rights as those who have gone for 20 or longer. They are not equally loyal and the older supporter shouldnt lose any status and have people catch him up. Sorry but that isnt fair to the long serving supporter and surely that is what loyalty points are all about?

 

[SWP's back]

That's a little unfair. I started the thread and have no problems with my points. They got me everygame I wanted this season apart from utd away and Blackpool. It's about trying to ensure that younger loyal fans are punished simply for being born later.

The current system only started when we moved to coms and newer fans will never be able to catch up. A rolling system has to be fairer and doesn't preclude older fans from staying at the top so long as they keep going.

The older fans will sadly die...the current fans will gain points and become top dogs re points and the newer fans will face the same problem....

There is a natural cycle in all this.

If you are a season card holder you will get a ticket unless you are extremely unlucky so i don't see the big issue re Wembley and although the same wont apply to any Euro final probably, those that have earnt the right to be there by going to games will get tickets and rightly so.

What is wrong is the club, cheapening the system by suddenly saying to many fans that for years have travelled up and down the country, the 10 points they got for doing so is not as important as a home tie against Notts County for example?

Way too many have started to think that a few cup games this season is a badge of honour and should automatically put them in front of many fans that for years have spent the money and done the miles so to speak.

Anyone overly worries needs to just join a supporters club and get friendly with the secretary anyway....ticket sorted ;-)

So true unfortunately.

As I say, this thread wasn't about my points, I have just over 4,000 (didn't re-start my SC after uni until 2006), but was more thinking about the next generation coming through the ranks.

I'll never be at the top as work doesn't allow me to travel to more than about 10 aways per year and I don't think I will have a problem with semi or final tickets. But I can live with watching utd away on TV. Plus I have my Liverpool away tiockets sorted through my SC ;-)<br /><br />-- Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:40 pm --<br /><br />

That's a little unfair. I started the thread and have no problems with my points. They got me everygame I wanted this season apart from utd away and Blackpool. It's about trying to ensure that younger loyal fans are punished simply for being born later.

The current system only started when we moved to coms and newer fans will never be able to catch up. A rolling system has to be fairer and doesn't preclude older fans from staying at the top so long as they keep going.

So does that make it fair?
Surely if the older fan keeps going they have earned the right to have first dibs on the ticket. in a rolling scenario, those who have been going for 10 years will have the same rights as those who have gone for 20 or longer. They are not equally loyal and the older supporter shouldnt lose any status and have people catch him up. Sorry but that isnt fair to the long serving supporter and surely that is what loyalty points are all about?

That would be true if loyalty points had always been about mate. But they only started in the last decade, so someone that only started going in 2002 for example is now untouchable. More so than someone that went for the previous 20 years but took 3 or 4 years out at that time due to kids/money etc.

A rolling system means those that go and continue to go would never lose out.

The current system just crystalises those that went during that time period when we moved, as being always at the top.

In a similar way that FFFP rules will crystalise those currently at the top of the tree in terms of champs league etc. Do you see my point?

 

[True_Blue69]

That would be true if loyalty points had always been about mate. But they only started in the last decade, so someone that only started going in 2002 for example is now untouchable. More so than someone that went for the previous 20 years but took 3 or 4 years out at that time due to kids/money etc.

A rolling system means those that go and continue to go would never lose out.

The current system just crystalises those that went during that time period when we moved, as being always at the top.

In a similar way that FFFP rules will crystalise those currently at the top of the tree in terms of champs league etc. Do you see my point?

Not really true though is it. There are plenty of away matches that go on general sale, probably 90% of them, giving people the opportunity to get the points together. Then there is the cup scheme, cup games etc. Within a few seasons you will be right up there, bearing in mind during this time you are only gonna miss out on 3 or 4 matches anyway. If you have a season ticket you are almost guaranteed a cup final ticket, only a few will miss out and some will no doubt choose not to go or cant make it. The way the system is now means those that go will never lose out, those that have recently started to go will miss out on a few games but by the time that rolling period will have ended they will have easily caught the said people up anyway.

 

[SWP's back]

That would be true if loyalty points had always been about mate. But they only started in the last decade, so someone that only started going in 2002 for example is now untouchable. More so than someone that went for the previous 20 years but took 3 or 4 years out at that time due to kids/money etc.

A rolling system means those that go and continue to go would never lose out.

The current system just crystalises those that went during that time period when we moved, as being always at the top.

In a similar way that FFFP rules will crystalise those currently at the top of the tree in terms of champs league etc. Do you see my point?

Not really true though is it. There are plenty of away matches that go on general sale, probably 90% of them, giving people the opportunity to get the points together. Then there is the cup scheme, cup games etc. Within a few seasons you will be right up there, bearing in mind during this time you are only gonna miss out on 3 or 4 matches anyway. If you have a season ticket you are almost guaranteed a cup final ticket, only a few will miss out and some will no doubt choose not to go or cant make it. The way the system is now means those that go will never lose out, those that have recently started to go will miss out on a few games but by the time that rolling period will have ended they will have easily caught the said people up anyway.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree fella.

I just can't see how a rolling ten years could be unfair to anyone you see. Only maybe those that went religiously for a while at the opportune time but only go to the "glamour" away games now.

 

[Corky]

I agree with the idea :)

However I would lose from it, but the younger ones will gain, and have a chance.


Also there are load of fans who never misses a game in the 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s who still go but were not recognised for this.

Supporting city is a long term thing a think a term thing, so a long period like ten years is needed.

However, if the sytem stays as it is in 25 years time you will only see people 50+ going to the high demand aways (plus people on their tickets).

The line has to be drawn somewhere to give younger fans a chance. Many will not take it and still moan , but others will.