Fairness

[EalingBlue2]

Course people pay more tax if they earn a lot it is fair enough those who benefit the most from society pay the most to society

That implies though that 'society' has handed them a decent living, which isn't necessarily the case (in fact, it's rarely the case at all). What if they just knuckled down in school and got better grades? Or what if they just work that little bit harder than us?

I don't earn a lot because I'm not prepared to work long hours, I don't want to commute to London and I don't want too much responsibility; but some people do, so it's only fair that they get paid more. But if taxation is engineered to the point where such people's financial gain is reduced and things are levelled off, then there'll be absolutely no incentive to work harder and earn more.

The government (or whichever party aspires to be it) needs to worry less about squeezing even more money out of hard working high-earning people who already pay tax, and start focusing on getting money from those who have already avoided paying what they were supposed to pay.

thats the fallacy of the right wing in a nutshell.
the rich are rich because they are better and/or work harder and the poor are poor because they are lazy and feckless.

Its bollocks but its the basis of right wing thought

Post of the day! Many of The hardest working peoplr who contribute the most to society that I know Have been lowly paid. Most of the biggest fakers or bludgeons I have known who have done the least for society are well paid.

The central tenet of chipped argument is that because the market dictates it is fair it is fair. We should all be fighting to protect the cash of rich bankers because they deserve millions because of their hard work and slackers like casualty nurses, social workers, teachers should stop moaning and pay a bit more so the rich aren't unfairly burdened

 

[foetus]

Tax wouldn't be so high if so many lazy c*nts weren't on welfare. Pisses me off no end..they're usually the first ones to complain about things being unfair as well.

And yes, I know not all people on welfare want to be.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Tax wouldn't be so high if so many lazy c*nts weren't on welfare. Pisses me off no end..they're usually the first ones to complain about things being unfair as well.

And yes, I know not all people on welfare want to be.

I suspect welfare wouldn't be so high if schools were better and all children were given a fairer and better start in life. If kids with shit parents or in shit schools got a decent education, a square meal a day and got taught how to work and be a part of society rather than being labeled scum and left to rot then things would be different. The truth is most people would rather sneer at benefits recipients than tackle the real reasons many are as they are.

It always amazes me how many children are held responsible for their parents sins

 

[foetus]

Tax wouldn't be so high if so many lazy c*nts weren't on welfare. Pisses me off no end..they're usually the first ones to complain about things being unfair as well.

And yes, I know not all people on welfare want to be.

I suspect welfare wouldn't be so high if schools were better and all children were given a fairer and better start in life. If kids with shit parents or in shit schools got a decent education, a square meal a day and got taught how to work and be a part of society rather than being labeled scum and left to rot and learn nothing then things would be different. The truth is most people would rather sneer at benefits recipients than tackle the real reasons many are as they are.

lol blame the teachers. It's never the kids fault! Sneer and label scum? No mate, a fair chunk of my wage goes to helping them, only for (a lot of) them to throw it back in mine and other tax payers faces. The government should be run like a business, not a charity...as there are way too many people willing to take advantage of it.

 

[blueinsa]

Tax wouldn't be so high if so many lazy c*nts weren't on welfare. Pisses me off no end..they're usually the first ones to complain about things being unfair as well.

And yes, I know not all people on welfare want to be.

I suspect welfare wouldn't be so high if schools were better and all children were given a fairer and better start in life. If kids with shit parents or in shit schools got a decent education, a square meal a day and got taught how to work and be a part of society rather than being labeled scum and left to rot and learn nothing then things would be different. The truth is most people would rather sneer at benefits recipients than tackle the real reasons many are as they are.

lol blame the teachers. It's never the kids fault! Sneer and label scum? No mate, a fair chunk of my wage goes to helping them, only for (a lot of) them to throw it back in mine and other tax payers faces. The government should be run like a business, not a charity...as there are way too many people willing to take advantage of it.

What annoys you the most as a taxpayer?

The £1 of benefit fraud or the £4 of tax evasion that happens at the same time and its not those on PAYE responsible either?

As for running government as a business, they cost us more in mistakes than any fraudster!

Direct your anger at those responsible.

 

[foetus]

I suspect welfare wouldn't be so high if schools were better and all children were given a fairer and better start in life. If kids with shit parents or in shit schools got a decent education, a square meal a day and got taught how to work and be a part of society rather than being labeled scum and left to rot and learn nothing then things would be different. The truth is most people would rather sneer at benefits recipients than tackle the real reasons many are as they are.

lol blame the teachers. It's never the kids fault! Sneer and label scum? No mate, a fair chunk of my wage goes to helping them, only for (a lot of) them to throw it back in mine and other tax payers faces. The government should be run like a business, not a charity...as there are way too many people willing to take advantage of it.

What annoys you the most as a taxpayer?

The £1 of benefit fraud or the £4 of tax evasion that happens at the same time and its not those on PAYE responsible either?

As for running government as a business, they cost us more in mistakes than any fraudster!

Direct your anger at those responsible.

Everyone pisses me off as a taxpayer :)

 

[EalingBlue2]

Tax wouldn't be so high if so many lazy c*nts weren't on welfare. Pisses me off no end..they're usually the first ones to complain about things being unfair as well.

And yes, I know not all people on welfare want to be.

I suspect welfare wouldn't be so high if schools were better and all children were given a fairer and better start in life. If kids with shit parents or in shit schools got a decent education, a square meal a day and got taught how to work and be a part of society rather than being labeled scum and left to rot and learn nothing then things would be different. The truth is most people would rather sneer at benefits recipients than tackle the real reasons many are as they are.

lol blame the teachers. It's never the kids fault! Sneer and label scum? No mate, a fair chunk of my wage goes to helping them, only for (a lot of) them to throw it back in mine and other tax payers faces. The government should be run like a business, not a charity...as there are way too many people willing to take advantage of it.

I don't blame the teachers in the slightest , my mother , brother, grandmother, uncle etc are all teachers. I blame a society that believes as you appear to that a kid brought up with no role models, a shit education, shit parents and given no decent education either at or away from school should somehow miraculously end up a tax paying pillar of society. Spent some time last year helping with reading for kids you obviously would think are charity or scum and I can tel you without any role modes to show different they end up as they do because that is what they are taught.

If you truly meant what you say about running a country like a business not a charity then the only way would be to kill off the old and poor as they would be assets any business would retire

 

[blueinsa]

lol blame the teachers. It's never the kids fault! Sneer and label scum? No mate, a fair chunk of my wage goes to helping them, only for (a lot of) them to throw it back in mine and other tax payers faces. The government should be run like a business, not a charity...as there are way too many people willing to take advantage of it.

What annoys you the most as a taxpayer?

The £1 of benefit fraud or the £4 of tax evasion that happens at the same time and its not those on PAYE responsible either?

As for running government as a business, they cost us more in mistakes than any fraudster!

Direct your anger at those responsible.

Everyone pisses me off as a taxpayer :)

Good answer :-)

 

[foetus]

I suspect welfare wouldn't be so high if schools were better and all children were given a fairer and better start in life. If kids with shit parents or in shit schools got a decent education, a square meal a day and got taught how to work and be a part of society rather than being labeled scum and left to rot and learn nothing then things would be different. The truth is most people would rather sneer at benefits recipients than tackle the real reasons many are as they are.

lol blame the teachers. It's never the kids fault! Sneer and label scum? No mate, a fair chunk of my wage goes to helping them, only for (a lot of) them to throw it back in mine and other tax payers faces. The government should be run like a business, not a charity...as there are way too many people willing to take advantage of it.

I don't blame the teachers in the slightest , my mother , brother, grandmother, uncle etc are all teachers. I blame a society that believes as you appear to that a kid brought up with no role models, a shit education, shit parents and given no decent education either at or away from school should somehow miraculously end up a tax paying pillar of society. Spent some time last year helping with reading for kids you obviously would think are charity or scum and I can tel you without any role modes to show different they end up as they do because that is what they are taught.

If you truly meant what you say about running a country like a business not a charity then the only way would be to kill off the old and poor as they would be assets any business would retire

My point is stop letting generations of families happily live off welfare, not kill the old and poor. Governments need to give a greater incentive for people to go out and get a job. For too long, lazy people have been let off way too easily when it comes to welfare. You can blame whoever you want but eventually people have to take responsibility for themselves and go out and get a job. It's always someone else's fault.

I was raised by two teachers who didn't have much money. They never took a cent of welfare though. It's frustrates me no end when parents blame teachers for their own child's behaviour (not saying you are but a lot of parents do it).

 

[EalingBlue2]

lol blame the teachers. It's never the kids fault! Sneer and label scum? No mate, a fair chunk of my wage goes to helping them, only for (a lot of) them to throw it back in mine and other tax payers faces. The government should be run like a business, not a charity...as there are way too many people willing to take advantage of it.

I don't blame the teachers in the slightest , my mother , brother, grandmother, uncle etc are all teachers. I blame a society that believes as you appear to that a kid brought up with no role models, a shit education, shit parents and given no decent education either at or away from school should somehow miraculously end up a tax paying pillar of society. Spent some time last year helping with reading for kids you obviously would think are charity or scum and I can tel you without any role modes to show different they end up as they do because that is what they are taught.

If you truly meant what you say about running a country like a business not a charity then the only way would be to kill off the old and poor as they would be assets any business would retire

My point is stop letting generations of families happily live off welfare, not kill the old and poor. Governments need to give a greater incentive for people to go out and get a job. For too long, lazy people have been let off way too easily when it comes to welfare. You can blame whoever you want but eventually people have to take responsibility for themselves and go out and get a job. It's always someone else's fault.

I was raised by two teachers who didn't have much money. They never took a cent of welfare though. It's frustrates me no end when parents blame teachers for their own child's behaviour (not saying you are but a lot of parents do it).

I find generations doing the same thing awful too, my grandparents went to uni and worked, my parents went to uni and worked I went to uni and worked. Why? Because that is what I was taught, it is what I was shown and I learnt. I think we need to stop blaming kids for their parents