Fairness

[EalingBlue2]

that as a philosophy might work with 95% inheritance tax, illegal private education so that there was some chance of society achieving some equality.

Also anyone of that philosophy would I suggest not be allowed to use roads, the police or any other infrastructure of the country

 

[happychappy]

At the last general election every other sentence out of a politicians mouth contained the word fair, 5 years on we're still not fully out of a recession, they've still got no idea how to get out of it, but they know people have short memories and so hey ho we've got nothing purposeful to say so why don't we run this Fair f***ing claptrap past these thick mothers again

 

[Lucky13]

that as a philosophy might work with 95% inheritance tax, illegal private education so that there was some chance of society achieving some equality.

Also anyone of that philosophy would I suggest not be allowed to use roads, the police or any other infrastructure of the country[/

What part of EARN do you not understand?

 

[EalingBlue2]

that as a philosophy might work with 95% inheritance tax, illegal private education so that there was some chance of society achieving some equality.

Also anyone of that philosophy would I suggest not be allowed to use roads, the police or any other infrastructure of the country[/

What part of EARN do you not understand?

Clearly a lot more than you with your anarchistic medieval ideas where the poor die at 40 in hovels!

kids cannot earn and if you don't invest in kids then the future is damned!

But then screw children, the disabled or the old if you can't earn go meet your maker

 

[mad4city]

With the election looming, I keep hearing this word fairness.

It's like those with left wing tendenancies seem to want to claim the moral high ground and portray Labour as being about fairness, as opposed to the tories who are evil, and most certainly not "fair".

Well who gets to define what's "fair".

If you are walking down the street with £100 in your wallet and you are robbed, is that fair? What if the person who is robbing you is less well off that you? Is that now OK?

Taking money off people to give it to other people is not automatically "fair". In most cases the people who have more money have worked bloody hard for it. How is it "fair" to say, sorry mate I know you've worked your arse off for this, but we are taking it off you?

I don't like tax, no-one does. But I understand it is a necessary evil and yes, it is an evil. Taking money off people with menaces, is surely an evil whether the robber does it, or the government does it. But I do not accept that taking even more of it is more "fair".

As it stands TODAY, somone on £30k/year pays £4k tax and perhaps gets back some in benefits. Someone on £200k/year pays £76,000. 19 times as much tax on less than 7 times the income. And we are told this is not fair on the poorer person?!?!? Bonkers, just bonkers.

This argument again?
Jesus, when will you people learn? Those on higher income are benefiting more from society. Therefore, in the spirit of fairness it is incumbent upon them to contribute more to the taxes the run that society.
Your whole argument seems to be based upon the principle that the fairly well off are wholly subsidising the less well off and are at the pin of their collar in doing so. What nonsense! What utter self-serving nonsense!
You clearly have no idea of life at the other end of the food chain (or the middle: what benefits does a worker on £30k receive?).

Your problem is that you've bought into the lies peddled by the Great and the Good. ( Hard work and a fair days pay blah blah blah... If you work hard enough, you'll be a millionaire like me in no time... & so on ).
Guess what? It's all a glorified, fucking pyramid scheme! The dice were loaded long before the midwife slapped your arse!

Oh, they'll peddle their mantras with their unspoken corollaries (You're poor, so you obviously don't work hard/ I'm rich and, unlike those protesting, all I want is fairness).

I know you feel you're being squeezed but there's a lot worse off than you. It isn't the poor fucker on benefits (or even the scrounging fucker alongside him) that's really shafting you. It's the mealy-mouthed fucker, waffling about fairness and promising you an extra one percent cut in income tax, whilst putting in expenses for a new roof on the ivory garret of his second home that's screwing you. It's the slimy fucker that's left contractors and their employees and their families high and dry by just dissolving their development companies when the shot hit the fan (oh, and you'll be paying for the fixing up of their ghost estates too) that's screwing you. It's the fucker in the old school tie passing you over for promotion/ a renewed contract for the son-in-law's brother of the other fucker in the old school tie that's screwing you over.
In short every fucker in business and politics - the Great and the Good that you admire and yearn to emulate - those well-spoken, articulate hucksters that you've looked up to have been screwing you all along - and all those poor fuckers on £30k a year and still getting imaginary benefits are being screwed too - only more so.
Wake up and smell the coffee, man. You're railing against the wrong section of society.

 

[Johnsonontheleft]

The premise of the OP is incorrect.

It is an argument often promoted by the right, a nice trick which looks logical at first sight but on critical examination falls down. By choosing one single tax, income tax, it looks as though the system is biased towards the low income end of the population and those with higher incomes are punished unduly.

The truth is that the lower your income the greater proportion of that income you pay in tax, when you use the total tax burden applied i.e. not just income tax but all taxes: VAT, energy taxes, fuel tax, NI , road tax etc. Income tax bands are in part an attempt to redress this unfairness.

Surely 'fair' is paying back into society exactly what you take out, regardless of income. I don't see how what someone earns has anything to do with a debate about fairness.

If I have twins, one earns £1m a year and one earns £10k a year, I will give them the same value of birthday present each as that is truly fair. I won't punish the rich twin because they earn more because that is unfair.

 

[Rascal]

Would the libertarian also agree that he pays for used resources accordingly?

Is his libertarianism anarachaic to the point he sees no value in society?

 

[Mustard Dave]

This argument again?
Jesus, when will you people learn? Those on higher income are benefiting more from society. Therefore, in the spirit of fairness it is incumbent upon them to contribute more to the taxes the run that society.

My arse! I have had the same benefits from society as anybody. I'm not going to be as vulgar as to say what I earn, but I'm on pretty good money. I'm on good money because people value the advice I give them and are prepared to pay for it. I don't get any more from society as the bone-idle fucker a couple of doors down, who sits on his arse, smoking fags and watching his massive telly. I had the same comprehensive education, I get the same NHS treatment and the fire brigade won't come to me any quicker. In addition, the DWP pay this feckless oxygen thief to reproduce, so he actually gets more.

I do not object to higher earners to pay more, but the suggestion those earning more are benefiting more from society is laughable.

 

[Damocles]

This argument again?
Jesus, when will you people learn? Those on higher income are benefiting more from society. Therefore, in the spirit of fairness it is incumbent upon them to contribute more to the taxes the run that society.

My arse! I have had the same benefits from society as anybody. I'm not going to be as vulgar as to say what I earn, but I'm on pretty good money. I'm on good money because people value the advice I give them and are prepared to pay for it. I don't get any more from society as the bone-idle fucker a couple of doors down, who sits on his arse, smoking fags and watching his massive telly. I had the same comprehensive education, I get the same NHS treatment and the fire brigade won't come to me any quicker. In addition, the DWP pay this feckless oxygen thief to reproduce, so he actually gets more.

I do not object to higher earners to pay more, but the suggestion those earning more are benefiting more from society is laughable.

I'm a pretty high earner and I understand that this has in part come from the benefits that living in this society with all of its opportunities and services afforded not only to me but to my parents and extended family for generations.

Tell you what, if you think that you haven't benefitted from society go and live the Libertarian paradise of Somalia and tell us how much you'll earn if you were raised there.

 

[TangerineSteve17]

Weird posts going on. What do you want?? Utter indifference? Like someone who has won the lottery? Yet still plays, as is recently newsworth.

We're all detached somewhat, that's just how it is, but c'mon..

Lower your ridiculous standards.