Fans Leaving QPR Early

[SWP's back]

Yep, just wow. He'd make a great rag though.

possibly, very strange indeed. i must be a "super fan" cos i'm buzzin from two days before a game, bet most blues are.

You're evading the point. Maybe if us, or British fans generally, behaved like Dresden fans (<a class="postlink" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkkMf6Sg9Tg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkkMf6Sg9Tg</a>) or other Eastern European club's fans we could claim to actually be making a collective positive difference. In my substantial experience of home matches (thankfully not as much as we used to) when things aren't going well, we have tended to make a collectively negative difference. Either by going quiet or, worse, making our displeasure heard. We're by no means alone in this, and are better than many, but we don't make anywhere near as much difference as we could. In that respect, the team really doesn't need us individually because we're not making a difference collectively.

I'm not really the type of person that starts songs (although I maintain to this day that I started 'one Gary Neville at Maine Road :) ) but I've never said or done anything other than support the team.

If home fans don't make a difference, please then explain how 91 of the 92 league clubs in England have a better home record than away record?

 

[Goatfacekillah]

If home fans don't make a difference, please then explain how 91 of the 92 league clubs in England have a better home record than away record?

Your argument assumes that no other factors are affecting that statistic and that supporters are the greatest reason for the better record. I'd suggest travel upheaval and change of routine would be more impacting on a detriment of performance. And then there's referee/official bias which I'd say is more likely to favour the home side.

But aside from all that, I suspect few would argue that away support is more vocal and 'supportive' than home support. Certainly in our case.

 

[WNRH]

There would have been no way i would have stayed to clap the players on a lap of honour if we didn't win.

nice try.

I'm serious.

 

[SWP's back]

If home fans don't make a difference, please then explain how 91 of the 92 league clubs in England have a better home record than away record?

Your argument assumes that no other factors are affecting that statistic and that supporters are the greatest reason for the better record. I'd suggest travel upheaval and change of routine would be more impacting on a detriment of performance. And then there's referee/official bias which I'd say is more likely to favour the home side.

But aside from all that, I suspect few would argue that away support is more vocal and 'supportive' than home support. Certainly in our case.

And what brings about that referee bias if not the fucking crowd?

It would have been easier to just agree you're talking shit.

 

[Goatfacekillah]

If home fans don't make a difference, please then explain how 91 of the 92 league clubs in England have a better home record than away record?

Your argument assumes that no other factors are affecting that statistic and that supporters are the greatest reason for the better record. I'd suggest travel upheaval and change of routine would be more impacting on a detriment of performance. And then there's referee/official bias which I'd say is more likely to favour the home side.

But aside from all that, I suspect few would argue that away support is more vocal and 'supportive' than home support. Certainly in our case.

And what brings about that referee bias if not the fucking crowd?

It would have been easier to just agree you're talking shit.

With such reasoned and well thought out arguments you must be right.

 

[SWP's back]

Your argument assumes that no other factors are affecting that statistic and that supporters are the greatest reason for the better record. I'd suggest travel upheaval and change of routine would be more impacting on a detriment of performance. And then there's referee/official bias which I'd say is more likely to favour the home side.

But aside from all that, I suspect few would argue that away support is more vocal and 'supportive' than home support. Certainly in our case.

And what brings about that referee bias if not the fucking crowd?

It would have been easier to just agree you're talking shit.

With such reasoned and well thought out arguments you must be right.

As opposed to "An English crowd has zero input".

The idea is simply ludicrous.

 

[Goatfacekillah]

And what brings about that referee bias if not the fucking crowd?

It would have been easier to just agree you're talking shit.

With such reasoned and well thought out arguments you must be right.

As opposed to "An English crowd has zero input".

The idea is simply ludicrous.

Of course it has input but I'm suggesting that, at times, home support isn't a positive one. At least way less than it could be.

I'm sure you've heard players talking about preferring to play away owing to the pressure and negative atmosphere at home matches. Our players too not so long ago. When things weren't going well for us I'd say we were up there amongst the worst offenders.

Given that away support is generally better (unless you disagree with me on that), then logically there are other factors contributing to your statistic. And home referee bias isn't necessarily brought about by positive crowd influence i.e a positive supportive atmosphere that the players are responding to. More likely a hostile and negative atmosphere that may not be giving them a lift.

The truth, at least as far as I see it, is that most of us are just 'there' at home matches these days. That contrasts starkly with the age of the standing Kippax when many were there half an hour before kick off and singing individual player songs loudly during their warm ups.

I'm not sure how we ended up down this path but it may have been in response to the suggestion that every single one of us counts and are a making a difference.

 

[Bill]

There would have been no way i would have stayed to clap the players on a lap of honour if we didn't win.

nice try.

I'm serious.

ha ha your'e a one, a right wag.

 

[WNRH]

nice try.

I'm serious.

ha ha your'e a one, a right wag.

Honestly de niro :)

At 85 mins i wasn't gutted, dissapointed or upset, i was fuming. To me not winning the league that day would have been a bottle job and i wasn't prepared to stay behind and clap a bunch of lads who had bottled the league whilst them lot across the road were celebrating like mad, regardless if it has been the best season in my life and had enjoyed the thrills of being involved in a title race whilst making me immensely proud throughout the season. I would have got in my car, got a takeaway, turned off my phone and watched a film in bed shutting myself off from the world till i was back in work on the Wednesday.

Doesn't make me any less of a fan, i'm sure the players would not want to do a lap of honour when they knew they had just bottled the league when it was in their grasp.

Anyway it is a moot point as we are Champions and all that jazz!!

 

[Bill]

I'm serious.

ha ha your'e a one, a right wag.

Honestly de niro :)

At 85 mins i wasn't gutted, dissapointed or upset, i was fuming. To me not winning the league that day would have been a bottle job and i wasn't prepared to stay behind and clap a bunch of lads who had bottled the league whilst them lot across the road were celebrating like mad, regardless if it has been the best season in my life and had enjoyed the thrills of being involved in a title race whilst making me immensely proud throughout the season. I would have got in my car, got a takeaway, turned off my phone and watched a film in bed shutting myself off from the world till i was back in work on the Wednesday.

Doesn't make me any less of a fan, i'm sure the players would not want to do a lap of honour when they knew they had just bottled the league when it was in their grasp.

Anyway it is a moot point as we are Champions and all that jazz!!

Must admit I hadn't thought about anyone being annoyed, suppose you have a point. Then again how can you be angry at that lot after the football they have served up this season. Now Mancini has let them loose they are simply awesome.

Roll on next season :)