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[Why Always Ste]

CC1, I don't have an attitude like you're describing.

I like to stand, I watched many games last season around the stadium and chose 109 on many occasions.
I liked this block as I was allowed to stand.

I watched many games in other areas and Had to sit.
I complied.

In 109 I was allowed to Stand on every occasion, in various rows and seats - No problem.

This season I could afford a SC (having not had one for two seasons) and opted for Block 109 under the presumption I would experience the same as last season.

The same faces, great atmosphere and so on - The only downfall was ShowSec Hooligans demanding that fans sit down, chastising a specific demographic of supporters (young males) and ejecting them aggressively, causing a crap atmosphere.

This did not work for ShowSec.... on the 87th minute of the game, They were still threatening to throw fans out, demanding we sit down and generally making it an unpleasant experience.

Thanks to Aguero he kept trying to make it pleasant but those Hooligans were victorious in making it a shit night.
also to dispel myths of Hooligans, the biggest culprit of anti-social behaviour and no peoples skills whatsoever was a Female.
The rather large lady with long curly brown hair and who wore glasses had an horrible attitude.

As said, ShowSec will be filmed Vs. Wigan and this footage will be passed onto GMP -
if SS are reading this your actions will also be visable on youtube/twitter/facebook and will all be uploaded anonymously.
I will not be doing the filming at Wigan.

You are accountable for your actions.

 

[CC1]

CC1, I don't have an attitude like you're describing.

I like to stand, I watched many games last season around the stadium and chose 109 on many occasions.
I liked this block as I was allowed to stand.

I watched many games in other areas and Had to sit.
I complied.

In 109 I was allowed to Stand on every occasion, in various rows and seats - No problem.

This season I could afford a SC (having not had one for two seasons) and opted for Block 109 under the presumption I would experience the same as last season.

The same faces, great atmosphere and so on - The only downfall was ShowSec Hooligans demanding that fans sit down, chastising a specific demographic of supporters (young males) and ejecting them aggressively, causing a crap atmosphere.

This did not work for ShowSec.... on the 87th minute of the game, They were still threatening to throw fans out, demanding we sit down and generally making it an unpleasant experience.

Thanks to Aguero he kept trying to make it pleasant but those Hooligans were victorious in making it a shit night.
also to dispel myths of Hooligans, the biggest culprit of anti-social behaviour and no peoples skills whatsoever was a Female.
The rather large lady with long curly brown hair and who wore glasses had an horrible attitude.

As said, ShowSec will be filmed Vs. Wigan and this footage will be passed onto GMP -
if SS are reading this your actions will also be visable on youtube/twitter/facebook and will all be uploaded anonymously.
I will not be doing the filming at Wigan.

You are accountable for your actions.

I agree that you should gather firm evidence if the officials are being too heavy handed. However, this has already become a bandwagon for those who hate any sort of authority to jump on. I also like to stand - it does create a better atmosphere and we all stood at Villa away, at Blackburn away and at Bolton away.....But, if my club tells me that the rules now require us to sit down for most of the match, then I will. It doesn't mean that we can't stand up and sing during the match, or that we can't jump up to celebrate a goal.

Anyway, good luck with collecting real evidence against those stewards who cross the line.

-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:35 pm --

It is not a criminal offence to stand up - just against stadium regulations.

I just don't understand the mentality of some people. You obviously have the same attitude as the 'rioting faction' in London etc. In other words, just because you WANT to stand up then you should be ALLOWED to do so. GET REAL - it is against stadium rules to stand up. That is why stadia in this country are called ALL SEATER STADIA. The stewards have a thankless task dealing with MORONS who think they HAVE A RIGHT to do what they want. You are supposed to SIT DOWN. ok, we know everyone jumps up during exciting moments and when a goal is scored - and when we do the Poznan to celebrate. But what is all this paranoia about. For God's sake, we have an all seater stadium so SIT DOWN sometimes during the match. That's all you have got to do. Why blame City staff just because they have to try to enforce the rules!!! I just don't buy into this section of society who seem to think that because they WANT something, then they can just take it and those that have to stop them are the enemy. They are not.
RANT OVER

Comparing rioters to people who've paid good money to support their team by committing the "crime" of standing in a football stadium.
What a load of sanctimonious bollocks.

I'll sit down in 111 when the thousands who attend gigs at CoMs,far more pissed than I've ever been at a match,dancing with beer in their hands in L3 and far more of a "safety hazard" than me-are told to do the same.

Whilst understanding that people have a difficult job to do and delicate balance to maintain,it's about time that supporters that wish to stand were treated better than "pay your money,shut up and fuck off" by the authorities-many of whom have never been to a match in their lives.
The only way people can do this and show that they would like the "choice" is by the peaceful actions of continuing to stand-as long as there's no one behind them who's objecting-something that to my knowledge,doesn't happen in 109.

How else can they show that they want to stand-other than by standing?

It's not a crime to stand up during the match. It's just against the rules of the stadium to expect to be allowed to stand for the whole match. Some clubs are now being given reduced number of tickets for certain grounds because they are arrogant enought to think they can do what they want...yes, I am talking about the scum who, for example, get reduced number for Bolton because they won't sit down.

 

[bringer678]

I just don't understand the mentality of some people. You obviously have the same attitude as the 'rioting faction' in London etc. In other words, just because you WANT to stand up then you should be ALLOWED to do so. GET REAL - it is against stadium rules to stand up. That is why stadia in this country are called ALL SEATER STADIA. The stewards have a thankless task dealing with MORONS who think they HAVE A RIGHT to do what they want. You are supposed to SIT DOWN. ok, we know everyone jumps up during exciting moments and when a goal is scored - and when we do the Poznan to celebrate. But what is all this paranoia about. For God's sake, we have an all seater stadium so SIT DOWN sometimes during the match. That's all you have got to do. Why blame City staff just because they have to try to enforce the rules!!! I just don't buy into this section of society who seem to think that because they WANT something, then they can just take it and those that have to stop them are the enemy. They are not.
RANT OVER

You sing well when your sitting down then mate? Get a great atmosphere going couldn't we...

Read my post - I didn't say you had to sit down all the time. It's just the presumption that you can stand all the time that pisses me off. Some people just don't like being told what to do.

-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:14 pm --

I just don't understand the mentality of some people. You obviously have the same attitude as the 'rioting faction' in London etc. In other words, just because you WANT to stand up then you should be ALLOWED to do so. GET REAL - it is against stadium rules to stand up. That is why stadia in this country are called ALL SEATER STADIA. The stewards have a thankless task dealing with MORONS who think they HAVE A RIGHT to do what they want. You are supposed to SIT DOWN. ok, we know everyone jumps up during exciting moments and when a goal is scored - and when we do the Poznan to celebrate. But what is all this paranoia about. For God's sake, we have an all seater stadium so SIT DOWN sometimes during the match. That's all you have got to do. Why blame City staff just because they have to try to enforce the rules!!! I just don't buy into this section of society who seem to think that because they WANT something, then they can just take it and those that have to stop them are the enemy. They are not.
RANT OVER

Did you read this before calling us MORONS, Colonel Cock #1?

ha ha....you are funny.And then you have the CHEEK to say we have the same ATTITUDE as thugs becaus we want to STAND UP!! DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SHOUTING OUT RANDOM WORDS IN SENTENCES?

No, not at all - just thought it might catch your attentionDo you really think it's right to let people stand up for years and enjoy themselves then just suddenly deciding to ban them, and if they don't listen they just pick on the odd younger ones.

They even accuse people of doing stuff they didn't do and man handle them out just so they can get some action and keep the stats up.

This is soooo typical...Who says it's to 'keep the stats up'? Perhaps it's just because they have to do a job.

Kicking a ball in a football stadium is now considered an offence, even taking photographs means you will get your throat slit according to a steward in 241.

Propoganda
Everyone knows this sitting down shit is just a cover up for stupid mistakes made at Hillsborough.

I think the Hillsborough relatives would not agree. Don't use emotive incidents to try and justify your opinion.-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:42 pm --

The same is happening In Block 119. We have to sit down and then can't see the right hand side of the pitch because The block to the right of us is allowed to keep standing. Who do I write to about this.

Peter Fletcher, he sometimes doesn't listen but you could try Garry Cook?

Does that mean everybody allowing people to stand isn't doing there job?

Can you explain why showsec are just throwing soem people out for for not breaking the rules at all?

Just because it's "emotive" doesn't mean it can't be mentioned, you wouldn't want it to be mentioned probably because it is a valid argument. You have onllly just told me what i shouldn't do... I don't give a shit what you think I should do, I'm just telling you that it is a cover up.

Why do you think nobody has given "justice to the 96" yet? As all families of victims and supporters of football want. It has not been done! It is safe to stand in league 1 and downwards and in Rugby, but when teams play in the prem or championship after 4 years it is suddenly dangerous??? something is a bit weird there. If it was so dangerous to stand wouldn't they have made it law everywhere?

The head of the FA just happened to have shares in a plastic seat making company to.

Hillsborough was not because of standing, it was a series of stupid things that happened to happen at the wrong time. Like police officers pulling a prank on the officer who managed big games like the liverpool game. He then became emotionally unstable and an unexpierenced officer was put in charge and later made a fatal mistake.

A report was made soon after and did not blame standing, it blame things like metal fencing, inadequate policing and the FA making too many tickets available. But as the report blamed the police and the FA(this was a time when football violence was still pretty bad) they decided not to blame themselves, blame standing, and lock away the files for the investigation for 20 years!!

Oh and the keeping the stats up bit is because they kick people out for nothing, and when they prove they did nothing they still ignore them, they could easily say to city "we kicked out 20 people last season for smoking, give us some more money because we are helping you out loads blah blah blah..." Also i remember someone on here mentioning a steward saying something along the lines<br /><br />-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 10:41 pm --<br /><br />

You sing well when your sitting down then mate? Get a great atmosphere going couldn't we...

Read my post - I didn't say you had to sit down all the time. It's just the presumption that you can stand all the time that pisses me off. Some people just don't like being told what to do.

-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:14 pm --

Did you read this before calling us MORONS, Colonel Cock #1?

ha ha....you are funny.And then you have the CHEEK to say we have the same ATTITUDE as thugs becaus we want to STAND UP!! DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SHOUTING OUT RANDOM WORDS IN SENTENCES?

No, not at all - just thought it might catch your attentionDo you really think it's right to let people stand up for years and enjoy themselves then just suddenly deciding to ban them, and if they don't listen they just pick on the odd younger ones.

They even accuse people of doing stuff they didn't do and man handle them out just so they can get some action and keep the stats up.

This is soooo typical...Who says it's to 'keep the stats up'? Perhaps it's just because they have to do a job.

Kicking a ball in a football stadium is now considered an offence, even taking photographs means you will get your throat slit according to a steward in 241.

Propoganda
Everyone knows this sitting down shit is just a cover up for stupid mistakes made at Hillsborough.

I think the Hillsborough relatives would not agree. Don't use emotive incidents to try and justify your opinion.-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:42 pm --



Peter Fletcher, he sometimes doesn't listen but you could try Garry Cook?

Does that mean everybody allowing people to stand isn't doing there job?

Can you explain why showsec are just throwing soem people out for for not breaking the rules at all?

Just because it's "emotive" doesn't mean it can't be mentioned, you wouldn't want it to be mentioned probably because it is a valid argument. You have onllly just told me what i shouldn't do... I don't give a shit what you think I should do, I'm just telling you that it is a cover up.

Why do you think nobody has given "justice to the 96" yet? As all families of victims and supporters of football want. It has not been done! It is safe to stand in league 1 and downwards and in Rugby, but when teams play in the prem or championship after 4 years it is suddenly dangerous??? something is a bit weird there. If it was so dangerous to stand wouldn't they have made it law everywhere?

The head of the FA just happened to have shares in a plastic seat making company to.

Hillsborough was not because of standing, it was a series of stupid things that happened to happen at the wrong time. Like police officers pulling a prank on the officer who managed big games like the liverpool game. He then became emotionally unstable and an unexpierenced officer was put in charge and later made a fatal mistake.

A report was made soon after and did not blame standing, it blame things like metal fencing, inadequate policing and the FA making too many tickets available. But as the report blamed the police and the FA(this was a time when football violence was still pretty bad) they decided not to blame themselves, blame standing, and lock away the files for the investigation for 20 years!!

Oh and the keeping the stats up bit is because they kick people out for nothing, and when they prove they did nothing they still ignore them, they could easily say to city "we kicked out 20 people last season for smoking, give us some more money because we are helping you out loads blah blah blah..." Also i remember someone on here mentioning a steward saying something along the lines

P.S I am not jumping on the "I hate authority" bandwagon, I event want to be a police officer. :)

 

[CC1]

You sing well when your sitting down then mate? Get a great atmosphere going couldn't we...

Read my post - I didn't say you had to sit down all the time. It's just the presumption that you can stand all the time that pisses me off. Some people just don't like being told what to do.

-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:14 pm --

Did you read this before calling us MORONS, Colonel Cock #1?

ha ha....you are funny.And then you have the CHEEK to say we have the same ATTITUDE as thugs becaus we want to STAND UP!! DO YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SHOUTING OUT RANDOM WORDS IN SENTENCES?

No, not at all - just thought it might catch your attentionDo you really think it's right to let people stand up for years and enjoy themselves then just suddenly deciding to ban them, and if they don't listen they just pick on the odd younger ones.

They even accuse people of doing stuff they didn't do and man handle them out just so they can get some action and keep the stats up.

This is soooo typical...Who says it's to 'keep the stats up'? Perhaps it's just because they have to do a job.

Kicking a ball in a football stadium is now considered an offence, even taking photographs means you will get your throat slit according to a steward in 241.

Propoganda
Everyone knows this sitting down shit is just a cover up for stupid mistakes made at Hillsborough.

I think the Hillsborough relatives would not agree. Don't use emotive incidents to try and justify your opinion.-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 9:42 pm --



Peter Fletcher, he sometimes doesn't listen but you could try Garry Cook?

Does that mean everybody allowing people to stand isn't doing there job?

Can you explain why showsec are just throwing soem people out for for not breaking the rules at all?

Just because it's "emotive" doesn't mean it can't be mentioned, you wouldn't want it to be mentioned probably because it is a valid argument. You have onllly just told me what i shouldn't do... I don't give a shit what you think I should do, I'm just telling you that it is a cover up.

Why do you think nobody has given "justice to the 96" yet? As all families of victims and supporters of football want. It has not been done! It is safe to stand in league 1 and downwards and in Rugby, but when teams play in the prem or championship after 4 years it is suddenly dangerous??? something is a bit weird there. If it was so dangerous to stand wouldn't they have made it law everywhere?

The head of the FA just happened to have shares in a plastic seat making company to.

Hillsborough was not because of standing, it was a series of stupid things that happened to happen at the wrong time. Like police officers pulling a prank on the officer who managed big games like the liverpool game. He then became emotionally unstable and an unexpierenced officer was put in charge and later made a fatal mistake.

A report was made soon after and did not blame standing, it blame things like metal fencing, inadequate policing and the FA making too many tickets available. But as the report blamed the police and the FA(this was a time when football violence was still pretty bad) they decided not to blame themselves, blame standing, and lock away the files for the investigation for 20 years!!

Oh and the keeping the stats up bit is because they kick people out for nothing, and when they prove they did nothing they still ignore them, they could easily say to city "we kicked out 20 people last season for smoking, give us some more money because we are helping you out loads blah blah blah..." Also i remember someone on here mentioning a steward saying something along the lines

You are just regurgitating what you have read in the press. Were you at Hillsborough?? No....so don't use that very tragic event to try and justify your argument. Some stewards are officious, most are not. Some people don't like being told what to do.....City cannot take unilateral action on standing rules in their stadium..whether you want them to or not. Some of the points made in this thread are more focused on people wanting to stand up just because they can't. Do you actually have any respect for your club???<br /><br />-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:59 pm --<br /><br />

Fair enough CC1...but what I'm saying is that if I was in 109 and told to sit down after being able to stand previously,then I could quite rightly point to those in 110 and 111 and say "start over there first."
It sets a dangerous precedent....as others have said,there is so little atmosphere generated by the crowd in the vast majority of modern stadia that any more "rules and regs" imposed on fans that already pay through the nose and more to watch a game,seen as second class shit by the dibble on aways,the get told "sit down and shut up" by some wannabee hi-viz rag supporting ex-club bouncer with an attitude...it could be the straw that breaks the back for many.
The whole issue of standing needs to be looked at.It won't go away,it can't be simply ignored.And it's not just at City.Watch Motd and see how many are standing at EVERY match in the PL.

I agree with you totally. It is good to stand up (although we have a lot of space in the Etihad Stadium which does make it safer). However, whilst the issue of standing needs to be investigated, it needs to be done by the right people, not a group of fans in 109 who could get the club into trouble and affect the number of tickets we get for away games.

I only ask the question, can City go it alone and allow fans to stand?

 

[bringer678]

Read my post - I didn't say you had to sit down all the time. It's just the presumption that you can stand all the time that pisses me off. Some people just don't like being told what to do.

-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:14 pm --

Does that mean everybody allowing people to stand isn't doing there job?

Can you explain why showsec are just throwing soem people out for for not breaking the rules at all?

Just because it's "emotive" doesn't mean it can't be mentioned, you wouldn't want it to be mentioned probably because it is a valid argument. You have onllly just told me what i shouldn't do... I don't give a shit what you think I should do, I'm just telling you that it is a cover up.

Why do you think nobody has given "justice to the 96" yet? As all families of victims and supporters of football want. It has not been done! It is safe to stand in league 1 and downwards and in Rugby, but when teams play in the prem or championship after 4 years it is suddenly dangerous??? something is a bit weird there. If it was so dangerous to stand wouldn't they have made it law everywhere?

The head of the FA just happened to have shares in a plastic seat making company to.

Hillsborough was not because of standing, it was a series of stupid things that happened to happen at the wrong time. Like police officers pulling a prank on the officer who managed big games like the liverpool game. He then became emotionally unstable and an unexpierenced officer was put in charge and later made a fatal mistake.

A report was made soon after and did not blame standing, it blame things like metal fencing, inadequate policing and the FA making too many tickets available. But as the report blamed the police and the FA(this was a time when football violence was still pretty bad) they decided not to blame themselves, blame standing, and lock away the files for the investigation for 20 years!!

Oh and the keeping the stats up bit is because they kick people out for nothing, and when they prove they did nothing they still ignore them, they could easily say to city "we kicked out 20 people last season for smoking, give us some more money because we are helping you out loads blah blah blah..." Also i remember someone on here mentioning a steward saying something along the lines

You are just regurgitating what you have read in the press. Were you at Hillsborough?? No....so don't use that very tragic event to try and justify your argument. Some stewards are officious, most are not. Some people don't like being told what to do.....City cannot take unilateral action on standing rules in their stadium..whether you want them to or not. Some of the points made in this thread are more focused on people wanting to stand up just because they can't. Do you actually have any respect for your club???

-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:59 pm --

Fair enough CC1...but what I'm saying is that if I was in 109 and told to sit down after being able to stand previously,then I could quite rightly point to those in 110 and 111 and say "start over there first."
It sets a dangerous precedent....as others have said,there is so little atmosphere generated by the crowd in the vast majority of modern stadia that any more "rules and regs" imposed on fans that already pay through the nose and more to watch a game,seen as second class shit by the dibble on aways,the get told "sit down and shut up" by some wannabee hi-viz rag supporting ex-club bouncer with an attitude...it could be the straw that breaks the back for many.
The whole issue of standing needs to be looked at.It won't go away,it can't be simply ignored.And it's not just at City.Watch Motd and see how many are standing at EVERY match in the PL.

I agree with you totally. It is good to stand up (although we have a lot of space in the Etihad Stadium which does make it safer). However, whilst the issue of standing needs to be investigated, it needs to be done by the right people, not a group of fans in 109 who could get the club into trouble and affect the number of tickets we get for away games.

I only ask the question, can City go it alone and allow fans to stand?

Stop sing that same excuse so you don't have to try find an argument to counter it!

NONE of that was from the press and I know somebody who was at the event, he talks loads about it and told me some of what I have told you just then

-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:07 pm --

I KNOW THE FACTS SO DON'T YOU TELL ME I'M MAKING PROPAGANDA AND FALSE CLAIMS CC1, IT'S ALL TRUE<br /><br />-- Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:10 pm --<br /><br />

I only ask the question, can City go it alone and allow fans to stand?

It would't be going it alone when all other clubs allow it.

Other clubs have said in the press they back 'safe standing.' as soon as the fa found out they released a statement saying they changed their minds btw.

 

[Eccles Blue]

I have not read every single posting on here but I think I have the gist of what has been said.

Standing or sitting is fine by me, I sit because I have difficulty standing for the 90 minutes so I chose CB Lower front row for my home seat, that way I can sit and if anyone behind me wants to stand my view is not restricted.

However, at away matches I HAVE to stand because if I didn't I would have paid my money for nothing, and that is what I really have a problem with. It is difficult to get seats at the front for away matches and no way in this world am I going to miss them now I can afford to go. So when people make remarks like 'everyone stands at away matches' I do find that annoying. Everyone may stand at away matches but that is because they have to!! So please have a thought now and again for those of us who have difficulty.

As I say I don't mind either way as long as you are not just trying to say that you are better supporters because you stand, you are not, everyone of us is a supporter of Manchester City and everyone of us likes to attend the matches, I presume, to enjoy the football.

Rant over........... although I don't think I ranted I just gave another opinion in what I hope was a calm and collected manner.

 

[bringer678]

I have not read every single posting on here but I think I have the gist of what has been said.

Standing or sitting is fine by me, I sit because I have difficulty standing for the 90 minutes so I chose CB Lower front row for my home seat, that way I can sit and if anyone behind me wants to stand my view is not restricted.

However, at away matches I HAVE to stand because if I didn't I would have paid my money for nothing, and that is what I really have a problem with. It is difficult to get seats at the front for away matches and no way in this world am I going to miss them now I can afford to go. So when people make remarks like 'everyone stands at away matches' I do find that annoying. Everyone may stand at away matches but that is because they have to!! So please have a thought now and again for those of us who have difficulty.

As I say I don't mind either way as long as you are not just trying to say that you are better supporters because you stand, you are not, everyone of us is a supporter of Manchester City and everyone of us likes to attend the matches, I presume, to enjoy the football.

Rant over........... although I don't think I ranted I just gave another opinion in what I hope was a calm and collected manner.

Well said, if you pay money to see a game you should be able to. I do have respect for those who have a good reason, unlike them that can't be arsed.

This is also a problem that could be solved by safe standing, if you want to stand you could go to the standing are, if you don't go to the seating are. It's a no brainer but unfortunately the FA haven't been listening. But soon I think it might change :)

 

[Eccles Blue]

I have not read every single posting on here but I think I have the gist of what has been said.

Standing or sitting is fine by me, I sit because I have difficulty standing for the 90 minutes so I chose CB Lower front row for my home seat, that way I can sit and if anyone behind me wants to stand my view is not restricted.

However, at away matches I HAVE to stand because if I didn't I would have paid my money for nothing, and that is what I really have a problem with. It is difficult to get seats at the front for away matches and no way in this world am I going to miss them now I can afford to go. So when people make remarks like 'everyone stands at away matches' I do find that annoying. Everyone may stand at away matches but that is because they have to!! So please have a thought now and again for those of us who have difficulty.

As I say I don't mind either way as long as you are not just trying to say that you are better supporters because you stand, you are not, everyone of us is a supporter of Manchester City and everyone of us likes to attend the matches, I presume, to enjoy the football.

Rant over........... although I don't think I ranted I just gave another opinion in what I hope was a calm and collected manner.

Well said, if you pay money to see a game you should be able to. I do have respect for those who have a good reason, unlike them that can't be arsed.

This is also a problem that could be solved by safe standing, if you want to stand you could go to the standing are, if you don't go to the seating are. It's a no brainer but unfortunately the FA haven't been listening. But soon I think it might change :)

That's it precisely. If people want to stand there should be dedicated areas both home and away. Thank you Bringer 678

 

[darryl28]

Bump.

This thread for some reason disappeared to page 4 due to a certain football match or 2 taking place.

Keep arguing lads, keep the thread bumped and get as many people as poss to do the survey:

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Over 135 have completed it so far, and the more 109ers that do it in particular the better. Go on, it's the bank holiday, treat yourself to a nice survey.

Cheers

 

[Why Always Ste]

Any chance of seeing the feedback from the survey Darryl, when done?