FC United - Oral Hearing - judge rejects appeal (p 82)

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Re: Council 'Bail Out' FC United - AndyFCUM replies (see page 7)

I'll tell you what Andy you rag lite ****. I've lived in Moston for 20 years (just off St. Marys rd) not 5 minuites from where your monstrosity is to be built and if it doesn't improve the local area as you pricks bang on about then i promise you here and now i will JCB the fucking gaff myself...

Bunch of fuckers from Warrington, Burnley, Leigh and fuck knows where else think they have a right to build this shite on my doorstep AND deserve more of a say on the issue than me?!?... Fuck right off you prawn ****!
 
Re: Council 'Bail Out' FC United - AndyFCUM replies (see page 7)

Best thing about AndyFCUM coming on here today is the thread had about run its course and was slipping down the forum.....
He's brought it back to life, avoided most of the questions asked and simply banged on about where I live! (like it's a secret lol!)
And added about 500 + more views in the process. Priceless.
 
Re: Council 'Bail Out' FC United - AndyFCUM replies (see page 7)

BlakeTheBlue said:
I'll tell you what Andy you rag lite ****. I've lived in Moston for 20 years (just off St. Marys rd) not 5 minuites from where your monstrosity is to be built and if it doesn't improve the local area as you pricks bang on about then i promise you here and now i will JCB the fucking gaff myself...

Bunch of fuckers from Warrington, Burnley, Leigh and fuck knows where else think they have a right to build this shite on my doorstep AND deserve more of a say on the issue than me?!?... Fuck right off you prawn ****!

Blake I live closer to it then you so if you need a banksman let me know :)
 
Re: Council 'Bail Out' FC United - AndyFCUM replies (see page 7)

Tueartsoverhead kick said:
BlakeTheBlue said:
I'll tell you what Andy you rag lite ****. I've lived in Moston for 20 years (just off St. Marys rd) not 5 minuites from where your monstrosity is to be built and if it doesn't improve the local area as you pricks bang on about then i promise you here and now i will JCB the fucking gaff myself...

Bunch of fuckers from Warrington, Burnley, Leigh and fuck knows where else think they have a right to build this shite on my doorstep AND deserve more of a say on the issue than me?!?... Fuck right off you prawn ****!

Blake I live closer to it then you so if you need a banksman let me know :)


Hahaha... Noted mate :)
 
Re: Council 'Bail Out' FC United - AndyFCUM replies (see page 7)

I have done a little research on this and from what i can gather no democratic process was properly observed here. Is this correct ?

It appears that it was done with a wink and a nudge behind closed doors.
Certain parties involved would of if not questioned about also hidden conflicts of interest.

It smells funny at best, at worst some people have been stretching certain codes of conduct and practice.

It basically seems to have been bulldozed through without a reasonable timeframe for any opposition to this project to be properly organized.
It seems to already have been given the ok before any lipservice to said democratic process regarding opposition
Which to me does not seem very democratic does it comrades ?

Would this be an accurate synopsis or am i way out here ?
 
Re: Manchester City Council Loan FC United £550K and.....

AndyFcum said:
Oh and by the way, read the professional ecological reports with your glasses on next time. Much as I like Moston, I can't remember when I last saw David Attenborough mooching around there. There are no water voles and the bats will be fine, it's official.

Trying to find the water voles details, but for now feast your eyes on this professional ecological report with your Spec Saver glasses on, AndyFCUM.

For the record, FCUM - who had council funding to fund research - paid for a bat expert to examine the area for ONE NIGHT only.
Local Moston residents had a whip round to have our own independent bat expert in the fields / woods for THREE NIGHTS.
Here is part of his comparative findings, with relevant sentences in bold. Having read this, do you still think the bats will be OK, AndyFCUM?
This report was completely ignored during the planning meeting.

7.0 Discussion

It’s very clear from both reports that the development site has a significant number of Pipeistrelle bats that reside on it and actively use it for foraging. Whilst all British bats are and their roost sites are protected under British and European legislation and it is a “Material Condition” in any planning determinations. What is less clear is the protection of the habitat where their food resources are found. Removal of which, reduces the amount of food available to any given population and is likely over time to reduce any such populations.

“A given area only supports a given number!”

Degradation of the foraging habitat by replacing it with concrete, steel and tarmac will not provide the habitat where the food resources will flourish.

It is the stated policy of Manchester City Council in Biodiversity Policy that it will “Protect and where possible enhance the biodiversity of the City.”


It’s hard to see how this policy will fit with this development, when much of the known foraging habitat will disappear under car parking, ancillary services and the stadium.


7.1 It’s proposed in FC Utd Ecological Report (FCU ER) that in mitigation to retain the bats present on the site, bat boxes be installed around the site to encourage them to remain. Whilst not disagreeing that the placement of bat boxes is a good idea, as it general is, both reports did not find any bat roosts currently on the site. Both coming to the conclusion that the roost must be elsewhere, but very close to the site due to the very early time in the evening they appear on the site. It is the considered opinion of the author of this report that the roost is in the roof space of one of the older houses that back onto the site.



7.2 What FC United Ecological Report fails to acknowledge is that the foraging habitat is not confined to just the tree line as suggested by it. But the vast majority of the bats on the site forage far wider than this, covering much of the site and the grassed/herbage areas in particular.

This anomaly may be as result of the “snapshot” survey carried out over just one night in late May. Whereas, a more diligent survey would have found more consistent results with this more detailed survey and report.


7.3 It’s also clear that FC United Ecological Report did not survey the grassed/herbage areas to ascertain the food resource available on the site for the bats to feed on.

As to why this wasn’t carried out to give a holistic picture of the site, one can only speculate on.


7.4 Under the proposals, it’s proposed to install 1 artificial synthetic pitch. This is again a questionable move, given the area is foraged by ground feeding birds, which feed on ground dwelling beetles and worms. Lapwings another species in decline, have been noted during the winter months foraging the pitch areas.


The nearest night time winter roost of lapwings (up to 30 birds) is on the roof of what was the Focus DIY Store Reliance St, off Oldham Rd Newton Heath. 750 m away as the crow flies from the site.



8.0 Other Comments

On the northwest edge of the development site (Lightbowne Rd) there is a well established hawthorn hedge of over 30 years growth, some of which will be lost under this development to create an entrance and exit point for the whole of the site.

Such hedges in Manchester are rare and a priority species under the Biodiversity Strategy for the city
. They provide excellent nesting habitat for birds such as Bullfinch, Tree Sparrows, Song Thrush, and many other hedge nesting birds, all of which are in decline nationally.

It is therefore questionable given the age, thickness and priority species status of this hedge, whether removing any of it is acceptable under that policy.
 
Re: Council 'Bail Out' FC United - AndyFCUM replies (see page 7)

TCIB said:
I have done a little research on this and from what i can gather no democratic process was properly observed here. Is this correct ?

It appears that it was done with a wink and a nudge behind closed doors.
Certain parties involved would of if not questioned about also hidden conflicts of interest.

It smells funny at best, at worst some people have been stretching certain codes of conduct and practice.

It basically seems to have been bulldozed through without a reasonable timeframe for any opposition to this project to be properly organized.
It seems to already have been given the ok before any lipservice to said democratic process regarding opposition
Which to me does not seem very democratic does it comrades ?

Would this be an accurate synopsis or am i way out here ?

AndyFCUM will probably say I paid you to make that post. If you could confirm that is not the case please? In a nut shell, that is exactly how local residents feel about this whole process.

The most frustrating thing about all of this, is FCUM were given £200,000 from the council from the £750K funding Moston Juniors had initially been awarded (via the council tax payer) to prepare for the application (to pay for legal fees, consultation meetings, glossy brochures, sound / ecological / traffic surveys etc etc)

The council, of course have their own legal departments and other departments that they could utilise, paid for by council tax payers.

Local residents had to rely on bucket collections at meetings and putting on a fundraising night at Moston Labour Club to raise money to pay for very limited legal advice and other resources. There was even a bag packing day at a local supermarket one Sunday morning... after an hour... 2 phone calls from FCUM fans to the store manager saw the bag packers asked to leave the store as the manager was concerned a few lads may come down and cause trouble inside the store. (Note to AndyFCUM.... I didn't say they had threatened to come down, but the manager was concerned that they may come down, based on the 2 calls he took.)
The manager was apologetic and gave the team two bottles of spirits to raffle off.
All that and our feeling that the MEN were firmly behind the plans too, in their reporting of latest developments, made us feel we really had a mountain to climb. Made me laugh how this week, FCUM fans have been going mad over the ''loan'' stories in the paper! Now they know how we felt week in week out for 6 months!
 
Re: Council 'Bail Out' FC United - AndyFCUM replies (see page 7)

Mad Eyed Screamer said:
TCIB said:
I have done a little research on this and from what i can gather no democratic process was properly observed here. Is this correct ?

It appears that it was done with a wink and a nudge behind closed doors.
Certain parties involved would of if not questioned about also hidden conflicts of interest.

It smells funny at best, at worst some people have been stretching certain codes of conduct and practice.

It basically seems to have been bulldozed through without a reasonable timeframe for any opposition to this project to be properly organized.
It seems to already have been given the ok before any lipservice to said democratic process regarding opposition
Which to me does not seem very democratic does it comrades ?

Would this be an accurate synopsis or am i way out here ?

AndyFCUM will probably say I paid you to make that post. If you could confirm that is not the case please? In a nut shell, that is exactly how local residents feel about this whole process.

The most frustrating thing about all of this, is FCUM were given £200,000 from the council from the £750K funding Moston Juniors had initially been awarded (via the council tax payer) to prepare for the application (to pay for legal fees, consultation meetings, glossy brochures, sound / ecological / traffic surveys etc etc)

The council, of course have their own legal departments and other departments that they could utilise, paid for by council tax payers.

Local residents had to rely on bucket collections at meetings and putting on a fundraising night at Moston Labour Club to raise money to pay for very limited legal advice and other resources. There was even a bag packing day at a local supermarket one Sunday morning... after an hour... 2 phone calls from FCUM fans to the store manager saw the bag packers asked to leave the store as the manager was concerned a few lads may come down and cause trouble inside the store. (Note to AndyFCUM.... I didn't say they had threatened to come down, but the manager was concerned that they may come down, based on the 2 calls he took.)
The manager was apologetic and gave the team two bottles of spirits to raffle off.
All that and our feeling that the MEN were firmly behind the plans too, in their reporting of latest developments, made us feel we really had a mountain to climb. Made me laugh how this week, FCUM fans have been going mad over the ''loan'' stories in the paper! Now they know how we felt week in week out for 6 months!

I was not contacted by Mad Eyed Screamer regarding this issue at any time in any capacity.
My only contact with said user was regarding life in the USA as we have both lived there.

My current view on the issue came from independant research by myself through nothing more than intrigue regarding the conduct of members of MCC.

I beleive anyone doing even cursory research into this will see the conduct of certain parties was at best conflicted by personal interests.
At worst a cabal of "the old boys club" who did not observe a genuine democratic process.

Alas, this happens in all areas of government and has done since democracy came around im willing to bet. It must happen 10's of times a day in the houses of parlliment.
 
Re: Manchester City Council Loan FC United £550K and.....

Mad Eyed Screamer said:
AndyFcum said:
Oh and by the way, read the professional ecological reports with your glasses on next time. Much as I like Moston, I can't remember when I last saw David Attenborough mooching around there. There are no water voles and the bats will be fine, it's official.

Trying to find the water voles details, but for now feast your eyes on this professional ecological report with your Spec Saver glasses on, AndyFCUM.

For the record, FCUM - who had council funding to fund research - paid for a bat expert to examine the area for ONE NIGHT only.
Local Moston residents had a whip round to have our own independent bat expert in the fields / woods for THREE NIGHTS.
Here is part of his comparative findings, with relevant sentences in bold. Having read this, do you still think the bats will be OK, AndyFCUM?
This report was completely ignored during the planning meeting.

7.0 Discussion

It’s very clear from both reports that the development site has a significant number of Pipeistrelle bats that reside on it and actively use it for foraging. Whilst all British bats are and their roost sites are protected under British and European legislation and it is a “Material Condition” in any planning determinations. What is less clear is the protection of the habitat where their food resources are found. Removal of which, reduces the amount of food available to any given population and is likely over time to reduce any such populations.

“A given area only supports a given number!”

Degradation of the foraging habitat by replacing it with concrete, steel and tarmac will not provide the habitat where the food resources will flourish.

It is the stated policy of Manchester City Council in Biodiversity Policy that it will “Protect and where possible enhance the biodiversity of the City.”


It’s hard to see how this policy will fit with this development, when much of the known foraging habitat will disappear under car parking, ancillary services and the stadium.


7.1 It’s proposed in FC Utd Ecological Report (FCU ER) that in mitigation to retain the bats present on the site, bat boxes be installed around the site to encourage them to remain. Whilst not disagreeing that the placement of bat boxes is a good idea, as it general is, both reports did not find any bat roosts currently on the site. Both coming to the conclusion that the roost must be elsewhere, but very close to the site due to the very early time in the evening they appear on the site. It is the considered opinion of the author of this report that the roost is in the roof space of one of the older houses that back onto the site.



7.2 What FC United Ecological Report fails to acknowledge is that the foraging habitat is not confined to just the tree line as suggested by it. But the vast majority of the bats on the site forage far wider than this, covering much of the site and the grassed/herbage areas in particular.

This anomaly may be as result of the “snapshot” survey carried out over just one night in late May. Whereas, a more diligent survey would have found more consistent results with this more detailed survey and report.


7.3 It’s also clear that FC United Ecological Report did not survey the grassed/herbage areas to ascertain the food resource available on the site for the bats to feed on.

As to why this wasn’t carried out to give a holistic picture of the site, one can only speculate on.


7.4 Under the proposals, it’s proposed to install 1 artificial synthetic pitch. This is again a questionable move, given the area is foraged by ground feeding birds, which feed on ground dwelling beetles and worms. Lapwings another species in decline, have been noted during the winter months foraging the pitch areas.


The nearest night time winter roost of lapwings (up to 30 birds) is on the roof of what was the Focus DIY Store Reliance St, off Oldham Rd Newton Heath. 750 m away as the crow flies from the site.



8.0 Other Comments

On the northwest edge of the development site (Lightbowne Rd) there is a well established hawthorn hedge of over 30 years growth, some of which will be lost under this development to create an entrance and exit point for the whole of the site.

Such hedges in Manchester are rare and a priority species under the Biodiversity Strategy for the city
. They provide excellent nesting habitat for birds such as Bullfinch, Tree Sparrows, Song Thrush, and many other hedge nesting birds, all of which are in decline nationally.

It is therefore questionable given the age, thickness and priority species status of this hedge, whether removing any of it is acceptable under that policy.

FC Scum of Bury - ruining the Moston environment since 2012....
 
Re: Council 'Bail Out' FC United - AndyFCUM replies (see page 7)

Andy Fcum said "But How long before you're an "economy class" bitter??? Do you really think to beat and stay consistently on top of Man United over the next few years, "your" club wont copy United's model?"

One thing I know 1 million percent, for absolutely cast iron guilt edge sure, is that whatever happens, I will never NEVER turn my back on Manchester City.

So what's your excuse Andy?
 
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