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Drove past the Ronald Johnson fields this morning and there is some new anti FCUM graffiti on the geen container type building there -
Man City Champions of England
FC United - 2nd Division Pub Team
"Don't believe all the Hype".

Shows the true feelings of local residents IMHO.(And I am one of them).
 
Re: FC United - campaigners launch legal challenge (page 27)

manclad said:
Drove past the Ronald Johnson fields this morning and there is some new anti FCUM on the geen container type building there -
Man City Champions of England
FC United - 2nd Division Pub Team
"Don't believe all the Hype".

Shows the true feelings of some local residents IMHO.(And I am one of them).
 
Re: FC United - campaigners launch legal challenge (page 27)

JM Mcr said:
manclad said:
Drove past the Ronald Johnson fields this morning and there is some new anti FCUM on the geen container type building there -
Man City Champions of England
FC United - 2nd Division Pub Team
"Don't believe all the Hype".

Shows the true feelings of some local residents IMHO.(And I am one of them).

I would have thought a real united fan would hate those turncoat twats at FC. They took their ball home at the first sign of trouble.
You stick with your team through thick and thin or thin and thin if you were a blue throughout the 90's.
Not FC fans though, they left you like rats leaving a sinking ship as soon as they didn't like something. They are the epitome of fair weather fans and a disgrace to football.

FC United of Manchester! Even their name is a lie. Broke away from a club that hasn't been in Manchester for most of it's life and their first home was Bury.
A petulant, odious little club, born out of treachery and built on lies. I hope they sink without trace.
 
Re: FC United - campaigners launch legal challenge (page 27)

JM Mcr said:
manclad said:
Drove past the Ronald Johnson fields this morning and there is some new anti FCUM on the geen container type building there -
Man City Champions of England
FC United - 2nd Division Pub Team
"Don't believe all the Hype".

Shows the true feelings of most local residents IMHO.(And I am one of them).
 
Re: FC United - campaigners launch legal challenge (page 27)

stony said:
I would have thought a real united fan would hate those turncoat twats at FC. They took their ball home at the first sign of trouble.

You stick with your team through thick and thin or thin and thin if you were a blue throughout the 90's.

Not FC fans though, they left you like rats leaving a sinking ship as soon as they didn't like something. They are the epitome of fair weather fans and a disgrace to football.

FC United of Manchester!

Even their name is a lie. Broke away from a club that hasn't been in Manchester for most of it's life and their first home was Bury.

A petulant, odious little club, born out of treachery and built on lies. I hope they sink without trace.
Not quite as cut n dried as that for me Stony.

I do think of myself as a "real" Utd fan (tho not sure Fergie would agree) but certainly don't hate FC or their fans. Whilst I don't actually agree with their methods I have some sympathy with their reasons for making such a stand.

There's been growing discontent amongst elements of Utd's support, going right back to the original flotation in 1991, about the direction the club was taking. Despite onfield success the club has been growing ever more distant from it's traditional supporter base in their pursuit of greater amounts of cash, and for some of those supporters the Glazer takeover was the straw that broke the camels back. I think it's a little unfair to then use that to label them as the ultimate fairweather fans, in fact if they were then surely the easiest thing would've been to just shut up and continue to go and watch the trophies being racked up.

I also find it somewhat strange that at a time when this board is constantly lampooning and deriding Utd for being a monstrous corporate whore, that fans who actually made a stand against that are also being derided for being turncoats. Surely as supporters our ultimate sanction, if we are fundamentally opposed to the actions of our club, is the withdrawal of our support (both financially and emotionally)? Indeed, we'll never know now but, perhaps if enough of us had shown the courage of our convictions by withdrawing our support (not necessarily going to FC, just boycotting Utd and it's merchandise) the Glazers may not now be sat on the worlds biggest piggy bank....it's a pointless argument tho cos we didn't, and even if we had it may not have made a difference.

But I guess what I'm trying to say is that, despite FC not really being my cup of tea (tho I admire some of the principles they're trying to instill such as being community based and trying to keep tickets affordable etc) as a football fan I can see why SOME fans chose that route (tho I'll also acknowledge there are some fans that purely go along for the craic,whilst still attending OT as well - thereby having their cake n eating it). Personally, once the Glazers priced me out that was the end of live football for me as I don't see the attraction in following ANY other team but I definitely don't think I'm in a position to judge those whose principles lead them down a different path than me (let alone hate them). Sorry if this has all got a bit rambling but I've had a few drinks and this is quite a complex n divisive issue for a Utd fan to debate :-)
 
Re: FC United - campaigners launch legal challenge (page 27)

manclad said:
JM Mcr said:
manclad said:
Drove past the Ronald Johnson fields this morning and there is some new anti FCUM on the geen container type building there -
Man City Champions of England
FC United - 2nd Division Pub Team
"Don't believe all the Hype".

Shows the true feelings of most local residents IMHO.(And I am one of them).
Well it's YOUR humble opinion, and you're entitled to it but, whilst this isn't on my immediate doorstep, I live about a mile n half away and know plenty of people in Moston, New Moston and Charlestown that are in favour of the stadium. Admittedly I also know a fair few that are against, as to who's in the majority I really don't know (hence me stating some residents in your original post).

With regards to the graffiti, I was lead to believe any opposition to the scheme was based on saving a greenfield site and nothing to do with football allegiances?
 
Re: FC United - campaigners launch legal challenge (page 27)

In reply to the 'real' United fan, turn your back on the club or withdraw your support. The reality is that you are a United fan, always will be.

How can anyone go and make their own little 'United'? It's not United and never will be.

I've worked with a couple of FCUM fans over the past few years and I simply dont believe them. Whenever the conversation in the office turns to football, they make snide jokes about United and City! Sorry but you are not being honest. I know for a fact that one of them still has a season ticket at O.T. 'I didnt watch the Euro final against Barcelona'. Liar.

The mid-life-crisis-club will be gone in a few years. End of.
 
Re: FC United - campaigners launch legal challenge (page 27)

JM Mcr said:
stony said:
I would have thought a real united fan would hate those turncoat twats at FC. They took their ball home at the first sign of trouble.

You stick with your team through thick and thin or thin and thin if you were a blue throughout the 90's.

Not FC fans though, they left you like rats leaving a sinking ship as soon as they didn't like something. They are the epitome of fair weather fans and a disgrace to football.

FC United of Manchester!

Even their name is a lie. Broke away from a club that hasn't been in Manchester for most of it's life and their first home was Bury.

A petulant, odious little club, born out of treachery and built on lies. I hope they sink without trace.
Not quite as cut n dried as that for me Stony.

I do think of myself as a "real" Utd fan (tho not sure Fergie would agree) but certainly don't hate FC or their fans. Whilst I don't actually agree with their methods I have some sympathy with their reasons for making such a stand.

There's been growing discontent amongst elements of Utd's support, going right back to the original flotation in 1991, about the direction the club was taking. Despite onfield success the club has been growing ever more distant from it's traditional supporter base in their pursuit of greater amounts of cash, and for some of those supporters the Glazer takeover was the straw that broke the camels back. I think it's a little unfair to then use that to label them as the ultimate fairweather fans, in fact if they were then surely the easiest thing would've been to just shut up and continue to go and watch the trophies being racked up.

I also find it somewhat strange that at a time when this board is constantly lampooning and deriding Utd for being a monstrous corporate whore, that fans who actually made a stand against that are also being derided for being turncoats. Surely as supporters our ultimate sanction, if we are fundamentally opposed to the actions of our club, is the withdrawal of our support (both financially and emotionally)? Indeed, we'll never know now but, perhaps if enough of us had shown the courage of our convictions by withdrawing our support (not necessarily going to FC, just boycotting Utd and it's merchandise) the Glazers may not now be sat on the worlds biggest piggy bank....it's a pointless argument tho cos we didn't, and even if we had it may not have made a difference.

But I guess what I'm trying to say is that, despite FC not really being my cup of tea (tho I admire some of the principles they're trying to instill such as being community based and trying to keep tickets affordable etc) as a football fan I can see why SOME fans chose that route (tho I'll also acknowledge there are some fans that purely go along for the craic,whilst still attending OT as well - thereby having their cake n eating it). Personally, once the Glazers priced me out that was the end of live football for me as I don't see the attraction in following ANY other team but I definitely don't think I'm in a position to judge those whose principles lead them down a different path than me (let alone hate them). Sorry if this has all got a bit rambling but I've had a few drinks and this is quite a complex n divisive issue for a Utd fan to debate :-)

How can it be community based when FC was formed, and made up of Utd fans? Despite what FC fans might say, this is just a protest movement and they are still reds at heart. Even the name is a play on Manchester United FC. What about the Blues in the Moston community? What possible incentive is there for Blues to get involved in this 'community club?'
 
Re: FC United - campaigners launch legal challenge (page 27)

JM Mcr said:
stony said:
I would have thought a real united fan would hate those turncoat twats at FC. They took their ball home at the first sign of trouble.

You stick with your team through thick and thin or thin and thin if you were a blue throughout the 90's.

Not FC fans though, they left you like rats leaving a sinking ship as soon as they didn't like something. They are the epitome of fair weather fans and a disgrace to football.

FC United of Manchester!

Even their name is a lie. Broke away from a club that hasn't been in Manchester for most of it's life and their first home was Bury.

A petulant, odious little club, born out of treachery and built on lies. I hope they sink without trace.
Not quite as cut n dried as that for me Stony.

I do think of myself as a "real" Utd fan (tho not sure Fergie would agree) but certainly don't hate FC or their fans. Whilst I don't actually agree with their methods I have some sympathy with their reasons for making such a stand.

There's been growing discontent amongst elements of Utd's support, going right back to the original flotation in 1991, about the direction the club was taking. Despite onfield success the club has been growing ever more distant from it's traditional supporter base in their pursuit of greater amounts of cash, and for some of those supporters the Glazer takeover was the straw that broke the camels back. I think it's a little unfair to then use that to label them as the ultimate fairweather fans, in fact if they were then surely the easiest thing would've been to just shut up and continue to go and watch the trophies being racked up.

I also find it somewhat strange that at a time when this board is constantly lampooning and deriding Utd for being a monstrous corporate whore, that fans who actually made a stand against that are also being derided for being turncoats. Surely as supporters our ultimate sanction, if we are fundamentally opposed to the actions of our club, is the withdrawal of our support (both financially and emotionally)? Indeed, we'll never know now but, perhaps if enough of us had shown the courage of our convictions by withdrawing our support (not necessarily going to FC, just boycotting Utd and it's merchandise) the Glazers may not now be sat on the worlds biggest piggy bank....it's a pointless argument tho cos we didn't, and even if we had it may not have made a difference.

But I guess what I'm trying to say is that, despite FC not really being my cup of tea (tho I admire some of the principles they're trying to instill such as being community based and trying to keep tickets affordable etc) as a football fan I can see why SOME fans chose that route (tho I'll also acknowledge there are some fans that purely go along for the craic,whilst still attending OT as well - thereby having their cake n eating it). Personally, once the Glazers priced me out that was the end of live football for me as I don't see the attraction in following ANY other team but I definitely don't think I'm in a position to judge those whose principles lead them down a different path than me (let alone hate them). Sorry if this has all got a bit rambling but I've had a few drinks and this is quite a complex n divisive issue for a Utd fan to debate :-)
I think the point JM, is what Stony says in the middle of the post - ie you stay with your team irrespective. If you are diometrically opposed to the way the club is run, a club that you purport to love, then you stay and fight rather than desert?

Now, you can mock at our attempts to change things right from "Swales Out", "Forward with Franny" and even the sadly scuppered Supporter's Trust but ultimately we stayed put in order to try and effect change.

No matter what my club puts me through, I stay with them and try and take positive action rather than breakaway and say "fuck you".

Naturally, each to their own I guess, but you can understand how it can potentially look to an outsider looking in?
 
Re: FC United - campaigners launch legal challenge (page 27)

The last few replies to me all make valid points, and whilst I'm not going to quote each one I will just reiterate that I am not, and never have been, an FC Utd fan.

I was merely trying to put across my opinion of that club and it's fans, in response to Stony's statement that a real Utd fan would hate them.

I honestly don't have strong feelings about them either way but don't feel that makes me less of a real Utd fan (just like thinking that Ferguson's assertion that the Glazers haven't been bad for the club is a pile of duplicitous shite doesn't make me less of a real fan). I have some friends that went down the FC route and other friends that actually despise the club n it's fans for the "2 clubs 1 soul" claptrap they peddle and the way some FC fans try to claim the moral high ground over those of us who stayed true to Utd, but it just doesn't move me that much.

I considered quitting Utd when Malc n his leeches arrived but ultimately decided to renew my ticket n hope they would eventually be forced out so, yeah, I agree that you should stick with your club come what may. Doesn't mean I'm gonna castigate those who decide on a different way to show their opposition (neither am I gonna go out of my way to applaud them for that).

Finally, to the reply that states "you are a liar". Not sure whether that was actually aimed at me or at those who decided to follow FC, but I'm certainly no liar. I may get things wrong or make mistakes but I don't lie. I never withdrew my support, or turned my back on Utd, I simply reached a stage where I could no longer justify the cost of my season ticket. I fully agree with you that having season tickets for both clubs is hypocritical, if your motive for joining FC was disenchantment at the way Utd is run why continue to also support Utd's owner's by giving them money? That sounds to me much more a case of a Utd fan who simply enjoys a day out at FC as well.

Sorry, rambling again but like I said it's a complex issue and difficult to put my views on this down with any eloquence!!
 
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