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FC United - Oral Hearing - judge rejects appeal (p 82)
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Re: FC United - campaigners launch legal challenge (page 27)
Not surprised. At a game against a Liverpool based team, they were singing Hillsbrough songs, and fighting there. They have a reputation for it. It just makes me laugh, for the way they portray themselves as the bastions of morals, ethics, and social conscience. FCUM aren't even a breakaway club, as they like to claim they are, they're just a mini me version of the rags, operating in the non-leagues. I have not met one of their so called 'fans', who doesn't support the real rags aswell. They're a bunch of arrogant, pompous, hypocritical gobshites, who claim to be the shining light of modern football, when really they just bring the game back to the dark ages, by fighting and attacking old people, women and children, and singing songs mocking tragedies. But don't dare mention the M word, oh no, you can't say that.
lordofthehawks said:I see they were fighting at the game at Grantham today.
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.granthamjournal.co.uk/news" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.granthamjournal.co.uk/news</a>
Not surprised. At a game against a Liverpool based team, they were singing Hillsbrough songs, and fighting there. They have a reputation for it. It just makes me laugh, for the way they portray themselves as the bastions of morals, ethics, and social conscience. FCUM aren't even a breakaway club, as they like to claim they are, they're just a mini me version of the rags, operating in the non-leagues. I have not met one of their so called 'fans', who doesn't support the real rags aswell. They're a bunch of arrogant, pompous, hypocritical gobshites, who claim to be the shining light of modern football, when really they just bring the game back to the dark ages, by fighting and attacking old people, women and children, and singing songs mocking tragedies. But don't dare mention the M word, oh no, you can't say that.
shootmeifipost10k
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Re: FC United - fans fighting at Grantham (page 30)
The fc united followers are nothing more than turncoats, thay have done nothing more than turn their backs on the club they supported at the first sign of trouble when it needed them most,as in United needed them to keep going put money into the club, buy the tickets and stuff in the club shops. It doesn'e matter if some went to the glaziers every penny helped clear that debt and keep them at the top of the pile. Yet instead they turn around say fuck it I'll follow another club.
I refuse to call them football supporters.
I have more respect for an arrogant loud mouthed man united fan than any of them.
Turncoat cunts
The fc united followers are nothing more than turncoats, thay have done nothing more than turn their backs on the club they supported at the first sign of trouble when it needed them most,as in United needed them to keep going put money into the club, buy the tickets and stuff in the club shops. It doesn'e matter if some went to the glaziers every penny helped clear that debt and keep them at the top of the pile. Yet instead they turn around say fuck it I'll follow another club.
I refuse to call them football supporters.
I have more respect for an arrogant loud mouthed man united fan than any of them.
Turncoat cunts
Mad Eyed Screamer
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Re: FC United - fans fighting at Grantham (page 30)
I actually disagree - as much as we laugh at what the Glazer's have done to united - it is nothing more than a disgrace in reality and I still fail to understand how they were able to buy the club using the club's own money / assets to do so.
Back to the fans, you said united needed them more than ever. Wrong. The Glazer's needed them more than ever to repay their debt.
So people against the Glazer's said ''don't put your money into the Glazer's, starve them of cash'' which is what they did - but they still wanted their weekly fix of live football. They were regular match going fans, not armchair supporters. They didn't go and follow another club, they formed their own club!
In my eyes, where they made the error is (as someone else said) they formed a 'mini me' version of united, playing in red, the name etc. A missed opportunity to start from scratch with disgruntled / priced out fans from Greater Manchester (and presumably beyond). For being a ''community orientated club'' they alienated people (both red and blue and beyond) from whatever their perception of the word 'community' is from the start (wrongly or rightly), instead of saying ''this club is for anyone pissed off with the game as it currently stands, come and join a brand new club with a brand new identity and colours''. An opportunity missed in my book.
My gripe with FC United remains (as a former Moston resident of 19 years) not the club itself, but the site of the stadium. It really is not suitable for what is intended to be developed in a built up area and has no option / space available for further expansion if needed (unless someone can tell me otherwise).
The news about the trouble at Grantham will bring further fears to my former neighbours, already dreading this stadium being built across the road from where they live.
shootmeifipost10k said:The fc united followers are nothing more than turncoats, thay have done nothing more than turn their backs on the club they supported at the first sign of trouble when it needed them most,as in United needed them to keep going put money into the club, buy the tickets and stuff in the club shops. It doesn'e matter if some went to the glaziers every penny helped clear that debt and keep them at the top of the pile. Yet instead they turn around say fuck it I'll follow another club.
I refuse to call them football supporters.
I have more respect for an arrogant loud mouthed man united fan than any of them.
Turncoat cunts
I actually disagree - as much as we laugh at what the Glazer's have done to united - it is nothing more than a disgrace in reality and I still fail to understand how they were able to buy the club using the club's own money / assets to do so.
Back to the fans, you said united needed them more than ever. Wrong. The Glazer's needed them more than ever to repay their debt.
So people against the Glazer's said ''don't put your money into the Glazer's, starve them of cash'' which is what they did - but they still wanted their weekly fix of live football. They were regular match going fans, not armchair supporters. They didn't go and follow another club, they formed their own club!
In my eyes, where they made the error is (as someone else said) they formed a 'mini me' version of united, playing in red, the name etc. A missed opportunity to start from scratch with disgruntled / priced out fans from Greater Manchester (and presumably beyond). For being a ''community orientated club'' they alienated people (both red and blue and beyond) from whatever their perception of the word 'community' is from the start (wrongly or rightly), instead of saying ''this club is for anyone pissed off with the game as it currently stands, come and join a brand new club with a brand new identity and colours''. An opportunity missed in my book.
My gripe with FC United remains (as a former Moston resident of 19 years) not the club itself, but the site of the stadium. It really is not suitable for what is intended to be developed in a built up area and has no option / space available for further expansion if needed (unless someone can tell me otherwise).
The news about the trouble at Grantham will bring further fears to my former neighbours, already dreading this stadium being built across the road from where they live.
cleavers
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Re: FC United - fans fighting at Grantham (page 30)
Most of them still follow the rags as well, its a myth that they left united over glazer.sniff said:has anyone ever asked what happens if the glaziers sell to a decent owner ?
If that was to happen then the protest is over, why wouldnt they go back to supporting the rags ?
1.618034
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Re: FC United - fans fighting at Grantham (page 30)
Good post.
Mad Eyed Screamer said:shootmeifipost10k said:The fc united followers are nothing more than turncoats, thay have done nothing more than turn their backs on the club they supported at the first sign of trouble when it needed them most,as in United needed them to keep going put money into the club, buy the tickets and stuff in the club shops. It doesn'e matter if some went to the glaziers every penny helped clear that debt and keep them at the top of the pile. Yet instead they turn around say fuck it I'll follow another club.
I refuse to call them football supporters.
I have more respect for an arrogant loud mouthed man united fan than any of them.
Turncoat cunts
I actually disagree - as much as we laugh at what the Glazer's have done to united - it is nothing more than a disgrace in reality and I still fail to understand how they were able to buy the club using the club's own money / assets to do so.
Back to the fans, you said united needed them more than ever. Wrong. The Glazer's needed them more than ever to repay their debt.
So people against the Glazer's said ''don't put your money into the Glazer's, starve them of cash'' which is what they did - but they still wanted their weekly fix of live football. They were regular match going fans, not armchair supporters. They didn't go and follow another club, they formed their own club!
In my eyes, where they made the error is (as someone else said) they formed a 'mini me' version of united, playing in red, the name etc. A missed opportunity to start from scratch with disgruntled / priced out fans from Greater Manchester (and presumably beyond). For being a ''community orientated club'' they alienated people from whatever their perception of the word 'community' is from the start (wrongly or rightly), instead of saying ''this club is for anyone pissed off with the game as it currently stands, come and join a brand new club with a brand new identity and colours''. An opportunity missed in my book.
My gripe with FC United remains (as a former Moston resident of 19 years) not the club itself, but the site of the stadium. It really is not suitable for what is intended to be developed in a built up area and has no option / space available for further expansion if needed (unless someone can tell me otherwise).
The news about the trouble at Grantham will bring further fears to my former neighbours, already dreading this stadium being built across the road from where they live.
Good post.
shootmeifipost10k
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Re: FC United - fans fighting at Grantham (page 30)
I know it's not going to happen but if every match going fan decided to make the same stance and turn their back on the club they supported man united would go bust whoever owned them and whoever was pocketing no matter how the club was run,even before the takeover by the glaziers money was still being taken out of the club.
I fully undertand the reasons behind their anger towards the glaziers but the bottom line is they turned their back on the club they supported, like I said if every fan did the same they would go bump
United more than ever need fans through the gate and buying shirts around the world to uphphold their profile to bring in big money
Once they went down the road of the stock market this was going to happen, if the Glaziers sell up there's no doubt the next owners will look at them just the same a money making machine.
Is there any reason you could see yourself turning your back on City and following another club ?
City are lucky that when we went down to the third division the fans stuck by them even though the club was being run like a saturday afternoon car boot sale stall,because if they stopped going through the gate we would have gone bump, we were so skint the tea lay was bringing in her own tea bags and milk.
fc united coincided with the early dominance of the chelsea, I heard for myself the moaning first hand from the founders of fc united about how they couldn't now compete with the money at chelsea and how for a club of united stature this wasn't right, they may as well have said we have a right to spend the most and be top of the tree, funnily enough the 3 years that followed united won 3 titles and a champs league.
To me they turned their back on the club like some kid with a smacked arse.
Mad Eyed Screamer said:shootmeifipost10k said:The fc united followers are nothing more than turncoats, thay have done nothing more than turn their backs on the club they supported at the first sign of trouble when it needed them most,as in United needed them to keep going put money into the club, buy the tickets and stuff in the club shops. It doesn'e matter if some went to the glaziers every penny helped clear that debt and keep them at the top of the pile. Yet instead they turn around say fuck it I'll follow another club.
I refuse to call them football supporters.
I have more respect for an arrogant loud mouthed man united fan than any of them.
Turncoat cunts
I actually disagree - as much as we laugh at what the Glazer's have done to united - it is nothing more than a disgrace in reality and I still fail to understand how they were able to buy the club using the club's own money / assets to do so.
Back to the fans, you said united needed them more than ever. Wrong. The Glazer's needed them more than ever to repay their debt.
So people against the Glazer's said ''don't put your money into the Glazer's, starve them of cash'' which is what they did - but they still wanted their weekly fix of live football. They were regular match going fans, not armchair supporters. They didn't go and follow another club, they formed their own club!
In my eyes, where they made the error is (as someone else said) they formed a 'mini me' version of united, playing in red, the name etc. A missed opportunity to start from scratch with disgruntled / priced out fans from Greater Manchester (and presumably beyond). For being a ''community orientated club'' they alienated people (both red and blue and beyond) from whatever their perception of the word 'community' is from the start (wrongly or rightly), instead of saying ''this club is for anyone pissed off with the game as it currently stands, come and join a brand new club with a brand new identity and colours''. An opportunity missed in my book.
My gripe with FC United remains (as a former Moston resident of 19 years) not the club itself, but the site of the stadium. It really is not suitable for what is intended to be developed in a built up area and has no option / space available for further expansion if needed (unless someone can tell me otherwise).
The news about the trouble at Grantham will bring further fears to my former neighbours, already dreading this stadium being built across the road from where they live.
I know it's not going to happen but if every match going fan decided to make the same stance and turn their back on the club they supported man united would go bust whoever owned them and whoever was pocketing no matter how the club was run,even before the takeover by the glaziers money was still being taken out of the club.
I fully undertand the reasons behind their anger towards the glaziers but the bottom line is they turned their back on the club they supported, like I said if every fan did the same they would go bump
United more than ever need fans through the gate and buying shirts around the world to uphphold their profile to bring in big money
Once they went down the road of the stock market this was going to happen, if the Glaziers sell up there's no doubt the next owners will look at them just the same a money making machine.
Is there any reason you could see yourself turning your back on City and following another club ?
City are lucky that when we went down to the third division the fans stuck by them even though the club was being run like a saturday afternoon car boot sale stall,because if they stopped going through the gate we would have gone bump, we were so skint the tea lay was bringing in her own tea bags and milk.
fc united coincided with the early dominance of the chelsea, I heard for myself the moaning first hand from the founders of fc united about how they couldn't now compete with the money at chelsea and how for a club of united stature this wasn't right, they may as well have said we have a right to spend the most and be top of the tree, funnily enough the 3 years that followed united won 3 titles and a champs league.
To me they turned their back on the club like some kid with a smacked arse.
Mad Eyed Screamer
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Re: FC United - fans fighting at Grantham (page 30)
Fair points made there.
I think the thing is, united wouldn't go under if no one went - the Glazer's would just sell up before that happened and you would assume that whoever was interested in buying it would be smart enough to at least (claim to) have the fans interest in mind (as their support around the world is what will bring the money in) - as well as trying to make a bit themselves! The Glazers are simply in it for themselves - look no further than how much they creamed off last week at the share issue. Buying a shirt etc isn't paying into united's coffers but into the Glazers coffers.
Proof of this is even though the few thousand left for FC United, their seats were quickly filled by others and the shirts are still being sold yet they could only afford Phil Jones last season (we signed Kun Aguero ;) and the £80m from The Lady Boy? Where did that go??
We may have disliked Swales, but he wasn't robbing us blind - so we continued to go week in week out
.
I stopped going the season Shinawatra took over. I just wasn't comfortable with him running City. I didn't support anyone else, just watched City games in the pub or via GMR commentary (and yes there is a post somewhere in this thread of me supposedly trying to start an FC City, but that was MEN cobblers!) and I've had people say our current owners have a reason that we should avoid supporting City as I did with Frank and maybe they are right. The thing with Frank is he used the club for his own agenda at our expense - the current owners are doing nothing of the sort and are not courting that kind of publicity and everything they do for the club and the city of Manchester is at their expense.
Not thought of the Chelsea timing, decent point made - and you are right, whatever you think of the Glazer's, the FC united / Glazer years has seen a great period for united - 3 titles, 3 Champions League finals (one victory) and a Community Shield too, (lest not forget that one ;)
Personally I think that is down to good fortune and the manager, rather than the presence of the owners, but either way, the record is there and can't be denied by detractors.
shootmeifipost10k said:Mad Eyed Screamer said:shootmeifipost10k said:The fc united followers are nothing more than turncoats, thay have done nothing more than turn their backs on the club they supported at the first sign of trouble when it needed them most,as in United needed them to keep going put money into the club, buy the tickets and stuff in the club shops. It doesn'e matter if some went to the glaziers every penny helped clear that debt and keep them at the top of the pile. Yet instead they turn around say fuck it I'll follow another club.
I refuse to call them football supporters.
I have more respect for an arrogant loud mouthed man united fan than any of them.
Turncoat cunts
I actually disagree - as much as we laugh at what the Glazer's have done to united - it is nothing more than a disgrace in reality and I still fail to understand how they were able to buy the club using the club's own money / assets to do so.
Back to the fans, you said united needed them more than ever. Wrong. The Glazer's needed them more than ever to repay their debt.
So people against the Glazer's said ''don't put your money into the Glazer's, starve them of cash'' which is what they did - but they still wanted their weekly fix of live football. They were regular match going fans, not armchair supporters. They didn't go and follow another club, they formed their own club!
In my eyes, where they made the error is (as someone else said) they formed a 'mini me' version of united, playing in red, the name etc. A missed opportunity to start from scratch with disgruntled / priced out fans from Greater Manchester (and presumably beyond). For being a ''community orientated club'' they alienated people (both red and blue and beyond) from whatever their perception of the word 'community' is from the start (wrongly or rightly), instead of saying ''this club is for anyone pissed off with the game as it currently stands, come and join a brand new club with a brand new identity and colours''. An opportunity missed in my book.
My gripe with FC United remains (as a former Moston resident of 19 years) not the club itself, but the site of the stadium. It really is not suitable for what is intended to be developed in a built up area and has no option / space available for further expansion if needed (unless someone can tell me otherwise).
The news about the trouble at Grantham will bring further fears to my former neighbours, already dreading this stadium being built across the road from where they live.
I know it's not going to happen but if every match going fan decided to make the same stance and turn their back on the club they supported man united would go bust whoever owned them and whoever was pocketing no matter how the club was run,even before the takeover by the glaziers money was still being taken out of the club.
I fully undertand the reasons behind their anger towards the glaziers but the bottom line is they turned their back on the club they supported, like I said if every fan did the same they would go bump
United more than ever need fans through the gate and buying shirts around the world to uphphold their profile to bring in big money
Once they went down the road of the stock market this was going to happen, if the Glaziers sell up there's no doubt the next owners will look at them just the same a money making machine.
Is there any reason you could see yourself turning your back on City and following another club ?
City are lucky that when we went down to the third division the fans stuck by them even though the club was being run like a saturday afternoon car boot sale stall,because if they stopped going through the gate we would have gone bump, we were so skint the tea lay was bringing in her own tea bags and milk.
fc united coincided with the early dominance of the chelsea, I heard for myself the moaning first hand from the founders of fc united about how they couldn't now compete with the money at chelsea and how for a club of united stature this wasn't right, they may as well have said we have a right to spend the most and be top of the tree, funnily enough the 3 years that followed united won 3 titles and a champs league.
To me they turned their back on the club like some kid with a smacked arse.
Fair points made there.
I think the thing is, united wouldn't go under if no one went - the Glazer's would just sell up before that happened and you would assume that whoever was interested in buying it would be smart enough to at least (claim to) have the fans interest in mind (as their support around the world is what will bring the money in) - as well as trying to make a bit themselves! The Glazers are simply in it for themselves - look no further than how much they creamed off last week at the share issue. Buying a shirt etc isn't paying into united's coffers but into the Glazers coffers.
Proof of this is even though the few thousand left for FC United, their seats were quickly filled by others and the shirts are still being sold yet they could only afford Phil Jones last season (we signed Kun Aguero ;) and the £80m from The Lady Boy? Where did that go??
We may have disliked Swales, but he wasn't robbing us blind - so we continued to go week in week out
.
I stopped going the season Shinawatra took over. I just wasn't comfortable with him running City. I didn't support anyone else, just watched City games in the pub or via GMR commentary (and yes there is a post somewhere in this thread of me supposedly trying to start an FC City, but that was MEN cobblers!) and I've had people say our current owners have a reason that we should avoid supporting City as I did with Frank and maybe they are right. The thing with Frank is he used the club for his own agenda at our expense - the current owners are doing nothing of the sort and are not courting that kind of publicity and everything they do for the club and the city of Manchester is at their expense.
Not thought of the Chelsea timing, decent point made - and you are right, whatever you think of the Glazer's, the FC united / Glazer years has seen a great period for united - 3 titles, 3 Champions League finals (one victory) and a Community Shield too, (lest not forget that one ;)
Personally I think that is down to good fortune and the manager, rather than the presence of the owners, but either way, the record is there and can't be denied by detractors.
Why Always Ste
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Re: FC United - fans fighting at Grantham (page 30)
Good point here.
I can get to Gigg Lane within a 20min walk yet never went to an FCUM match as the club had nothing to do with me and was more about Ragshite.
I will however go to 1/2 Bury games a season to help support a local club.
When FCUM started I was disillusioned with football, having no funding to go and watch City (Single Parent wouldn't pay for tickets) travelling (via jumping the tram) to get to Maine Road/COMS and many times begging touts for free/cheap entry.
Perfect opportunity one would seem to start supporting a more local "community" club with cheaper ticketing costs.
Why would I support FCUM for when all I had ever done in the past is Watch City & Bolton growing up and taught many times about the ragshite and the way their club/fans operated.
Was just a mini-me of the rags, and still is today.
Mad Eyed Screamer said:In my eyes, where they made the error is (as someone else said) they formed a 'mini me' version of united, playing in red, the name etc. A missed opportunity to start from scratch with disgruntled / priced out fans from Greater Manchester (and presumably beyond). For being a ''community orientated club'' they alienated people (both red and blue and beyond) from whatever their perception of the word 'community' is from the start (wrongly or rightly), instead of saying ''this club is for anyone pissed off with the game as it currently stands, come and join a brand new club with a brand new identity and colours''. An opportunity missed in my book.
Good point here.
I can get to Gigg Lane within a 20min walk yet never went to an FCUM match as the club had nothing to do with me and was more about Ragshite.
I will however go to 1/2 Bury games a season to help support a local club.
When FCUM started I was disillusioned with football, having no funding to go and watch City (Single Parent wouldn't pay for tickets) travelling (via jumping the tram) to get to Maine Road/COMS and many times begging touts for free/cheap entry.
Perfect opportunity one would seem to start supporting a more local "community" club with cheaper ticketing costs.
Why would I support FCUM for when all I had ever done in the past is Watch City & Bolton growing up and taught many times about the ragshite and the way their club/fans operated.
Was just a mini-me of the rags, and still is today.
Tueartsoverhead kick
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Re: FC United - fans fighting at Grantham (page 30)
there's too many people with vested interests to see it fold. The Chief Exec (or whatever he calls himself) for one. He is on £30,000 a year, a ridiculous amount for a club that size. And the poor mugs turning up are paying his salary whilst he claims the club is ''not for profit'' - well he's making a tidy profit!
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sniff said:Why Always Ste said:sniff said:has anyone ever asked what happens if the glaziers sell to a decent owner ?
If that was to happen then the protest is over, why wouldnt they go back to supporting the rags ?
loads of them are wearing green and gold, it seems the interest is more about the rags than a pub team...
The Green/Gold was a protest against the glazers that backfired and the yanks made cash off.
If a rich new owner came in tomorrow and cleared their debts, They would guaranteed all be flooding back again.
Has nothing to do with wanting to be apart of that self-sustained fan owned club model for alot of those - they just spat their dummies because they are no longer top dog in the transfer market
Well thats what i was getting at, if that ever happened all this new stadium effort would be worthless if all the fans leave
there's too many people with vested interests to see it fold. The Chief Exec (or whatever he calls himself) for one. He is on £30,000 a year, a ridiculous amount for a club that size. And the poor mugs turning up are paying his salary whilst he claims the club is ''not for profit'' - well he's making a tidy profit!
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