FC United - Oral Hearing - judge rejects appeal (p 82)

[Tueartsoverhead kick]

Re: FC United - Judicial Review day 2 (pg 61)

Not everyone in Moston is in favour of the proposed stadium development. In fact many are against it. Please stop trying to convince yourselves that people in favour of the plans is universal across all Moston residents, as that assumption is far from correct and you know it

Couldn't agree more zutroy

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Re: FC United - Judicial Review day 2 (pg 61)

Mad Eyed Screamer,

Finally, if the issue is purely about a building being planned on a field in a residential area, and not about football, then why is this campaign being played out on a Manchester City fans' internet forum? What's it got to do with everyone on here? You're not deliberately playing on City fans' existing antipathy towards anything United-related are you, in this non-football issue?

Why has the campaign been played out on Blue Moon?
Why was the fight against the Glazer's played out in the Vodafone store on Market Street, or the Nike store on Market Street. Or on every lamp post and bus shelter all over Manchester with the LUHG stickers?
Publicity by any means necessary.

The local residents against the stadium being sited on the Ronald Johnson Playing Fields have at times felt helpless in the campaign to stop the stadium being built there, with the council instigating the whole development (and ultimately over seeing the planning application....) and the local media appearing to favour the development too - so have taken to campaigning on various forums to gather support and keep the campaign fresh in peoples minds.
Yes there are City fans in Moston that this forum may have reached out to, but lets not forget there are also many City fans within Manchester who are council tax payers and therefore contributors to the £750,000 grant awarded to FC United in times when there are severe job cuts, loss of council services and amenities and council tax rises throughout the city.

Just take a few seconds to think about the anger YOU felt when the Glazer's took over United......
Now spare a thought for the anger local Mostonian's feel about the Ronald Johnson Playing Fields being developed on by FC United........

 

[ancoats]

Re: FC United - Judicial Review day 2 (pg 61)

The Jam Thick as Thieves

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VQkUXq37-0[/youtube]

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'thick as thieves' is an expression used to say when people are really really close friends.. inseperable as it were.. its saying how close they were, and how nothing could come between them, but as time went on they drifted apart. beautiful lyrics if i do say so myself

 

[luddite]

Re: FC United - Judicial Review day 2 (pg 61)

Mad Eyed Screamer,

Finally, if the issue is purely about a building being planned on a field in a residential area, and not about football, then why is this campaign being played out on a Manchester City fans' internet forum? What's it got to do with everyone on here? You're not deliberately playing on City fans' existing antipathy towards anything United-related are you, in this non-football issue?

Why has the campaign been played out on Blue Moon?
Why was the fight against the Glazer's played out in the Vodafone store on Market Street, or the Nike store on Market Street. Or on every lamp post and bus shelter all over Manchester with the LUHG stickers?
Publicity by any means necessary.

The local residents against the stadium being sited on the Ronald Johnson Playing Fields have at times felt helpless in the campaign to stop the stadium being built there, with the council instigating the whole development (and ultimately over seeing the planning application....) and the local media appearing to favour the development too - so have taken to campaigning on various forums to gather support and keep the campaign fresh in peoples minds.
Yes there are City fans in Moston that this forum may have reached out to, but lets not forget there are also many City fans within Manchester who are council tax payers and therefore contributors to the £750,000 grant awarded to FC United in times when there are severe job cuts, loss of council services and amenities and council tax rises throughout the city.

Just take a few seconds to think about the anger YOU felt when the Glazer's took over United......
Now spare a thought for the anger local Mostonian's feel about the Ronald Johnson Playing Fields being developed on by FC United........

I of course accept that Moston people have a right to oppose and protest against this proposed development, and if the club thought that organised opposition by the residents' group was truly representative of the people of Moston, then I'm sure we'd have told the council we didn't want it. In fact, it isn't even about numbers - if this small group of residents had put forward what come across as genuine and convincing community concerns, I and other FC fans wouldn't still be supporting the development. I think that's where your Glazer takeover analogy fails - as much as you don't want to believe it, FC are committed to and do actually care about the communities we work with, and recognise that there is an awful lot of good we can do in Moston and neighbouring areas. I know some will see that as sanctimonious, but some areas of Manchester are in desperate need of genuine community engagement - and football clubs are capable of doing that, along with specialist partners of course. The context of cuts to services is of course relevant, but from the council's point of view, because of the cuts they have had to consolidate various pots of money (that's why the Newton Heath development was pulled), so all they've done is keep the money already earmarked for Moston Juniors, and put it together with the money raised by FC, more or less saving them the money they had planned for Newton Heath.

If you want to focus people's anger away from those responsible for the cuts, and towards a not-for-profit football club whose members voted to have community benefit legally enshrined in to its constitution, then go ahead. I think you know where we should be looking if we're really concerned about public service cuts, falling wages and increasing inequalities, and it isn't FC United, and it isn't the council - how about the global class of oligarchs that have 'our' governments in their pockets, you know, the type who use their power and privilege to plunder the mineral wealth from places like Russia and the UAE, for whom concepts like democracy and public ownership of resources are to be laughed at, and who sprinkle their cash around so they can be feted by English football fans desperate for a bit of the success they used to say wasn't that important to them.

 

[lloydie]

Re: FC United - Judicial Review day 2 (pg 61)

Mad Eyed Screamer,

Finally, if the issue is purely about a building being planned on a field in a residential area, and not about football, then why is this campaign being played out on a Manchester City fans' internet forum? What's it got to do with everyone on here? You're not deliberately playing on City fans' existing antipathy towards anything United-related are you, in this non-football issue?

Why has the campaign been played out on Blue Moon?
Why was the fight against the Glazer's played out in the Vodafone store on Market Street, or the Nike store on Market Street. Or on every lamp post and bus shelter all over Manchester with the LUHG stickers?
Publicity by any means necessary.

The local residents against the stadium being sited on the Ronald Johnson Playing Fields have at times felt helpless in the campaign to stop the stadium being built there, with the council instigating the whole development (and ultimately over seeing the planning application....) and the local media appearing to favour the development too - so have taken to campaigning on various forums to gather support and keep the campaign fresh in peoples minds.
Yes there are City fans in Moston that this forum may have reached out to, but lets not forget there are also many City fans within Manchester who are council tax payers and therefore contributors to the £750,000 grant awarded to FC United in times when there are severe job cuts, loss of council services and amenities and council tax rises throughout the city.

Just take a few seconds to think about the anger YOU felt when the Glazer's took over United......
Now spare a thought for the anger local Mostonian's feel about the Ronald Johnson Playing Fields being developed on by FC United........

I of course accept that Moston people have a right to oppose and protest against this proposed development, and if the club thought that organised opposition by the residents' group was truly representative of the people of Moston, then I'm sure we'd have told the council we didn't want it. In fact, it isn't even about numbers - if this small group of residents had put forward what come across as genuine and convincing community concerns, I and other FC fans wouldn't still be supporting the development. I think that's where your Glazer takeover analogy fails - as much as you don't want to believe it, FC are committed to and do actually care about the communities we work with, and recognise that there is an awful lot of good we can do in Moston and neighbouring areas. I know some will see that as sanctimonious, but some areas of Manchester are in desperate need of genuine community engagement - and football clubs are capable of doing that, along with specialist partners of course. The context of cuts to services is of course relevant, but from the council's point of view, because of the cuts they have had to consolidate various pots of money (that's why the Newton Heath development was pulled), so all they've done is keep the money already earmarked for Moston Juniors, and put it together with the money raised by FC, more or less saving them the money they had planned for Newton Heath.

If you want to focus people's anger away from those responsible for the cuts, and towards a not-for-profit football club whose members voted to have community benefit legally enshrined in to its constitution, then go ahead. I think you know where we should be looking if we're really concerned about public service cuts, falling wages and increasing inequalities, and it isn't FC United, and it isn't the council - how about the global class of oligarchs that have 'our' governments in their pockets, you know, the type who use their power and privilege to plunder the mineral wealth from places like Russia and the UAE, for whom concepts like democracy and public ownership of resources are to be laughed at, and who sprinkle their cash around so they can be feted by English football fans desperate for a bit of the success they used to say wasn't that important to them.

True colours again, you choose to ignore local concerns, "if we thought.." as if you are the arbiters of what the people of Moston should feel is good for them, harumph!

Nice dig at the people investing in the English game by the way.
It's the club you still support despite your posturing that has done most to harm the English game, yet you still seek to deflect the responsibility.

Once a smagunt etc...

 

[moomba]

Re: FC United - Judicial Review day 2 (pg 61)

So FCUM are running around looking for a community to engage with.

Wouldn't they have been better off leaving that to the clubs that existed in communities before they invented non league football?

 

[lloydie]

Re: FC United - Judicial Review day 2 (pg 61)

So FCUM are running around looking for a community to engage with.

Wouldn't they have been better off leaving that to the clubs that existed in communities before they invented non league football?

They go into schools, teach them songs and try to indoctrinate them in the mythology they've created for themselves.

They also do a bit of footy coaching and have advisers to help them put together proposals for public funding grants, yep it's all about their community, the community of FCUM patting themselves on the back for it.

Altruism my arse!

 

[PistonBlue]

Re: FC United - Judicial Review day 2 (pg 61)

Mad Eyed Screamer,

Finally, if the issue is purely about a building being planned on a field in a residential area, and not about football, then why is this campaign being played out on a Manchester City fans' internet forum? What's it got to do with everyone on here? You're not deliberately playing on City fans' existing antipathy towards anything United-related are you, in this non-football issue?

Why has the campaign been played out on Blue Moon?
Why was the fight against the Glazer's played out in the Vodafone store on Market Street, or the Nike store on Market Street. Or on every lamp post and bus shelter all over Manchester with the LUHG stickers?
Publicity by any means necessary.

The local residents against the stadium being sited on the Ronald Johnson Playing Fields have at times felt helpless in the campaign to stop the stadium being built there, with the council instigating the whole development (and ultimately over seeing the planning application....) and the local media appearing to favour the development too - so have taken to campaigning on various forums to gather support and keep the campaign fresh in peoples minds.
Yes there are City fans in Moston that this forum may have reached out to, but lets not forget there are also many City fans within Manchester who are council tax payers and therefore contributors to the £750,000 grant awarded to FC United in times when there are severe job cuts, loss of council services and amenities and council tax rises throughout the city.

Just take a few seconds to think about the anger YOU felt when the Glazer's took over United......
Now spare a thought for the anger local Mostonian's feel about the Ronald Johnson Playing Fields being developed on by FC United........

I of course accept that Moston people have a right to oppose and protest against this proposed development, and if the club thought that organised opposition by the residents' group was truly representative of the people of Moston, then I'm sure we'd have told the council we didn't want it. In fact, it isn't even about numbers - if this small group of residents had put forward what come across as genuine and convincing community concerns, I and other FC fans wouldn't still be supporting the development. I think that's where your Glazer takeover analogy fails - as much as you don't want to believe it, FC are committed to and do actually care about the communities we work with, and recognise that there is an awful lot of good we can do in Moston and neighbouring areas. I know some will see that as sanctimonious, but some areas of Manchester are in desperate need of genuine community engagement - and football clubs are capable of doing that, along with specialist partners of course. The context of cuts to services is of course relevant, but from the council's point of view, because of the cuts they have had to consolidate various pots of money (that's why the Newton Heath development was pulled), so all they've done is keep the money already earmarked for Moston Juniors, and put it together with the money raised by FC, more or less saving them the money they had planned for Newton Heath.

If you want to focus people's anger away from those responsible for the cuts, and towards a not-for-profit football club whose members voted to have community benefit legally enshrined in to its constitution, then go ahead. I think you know where we should be looking if we're really concerned about public service cuts, falling wages and increasing inequalities, and it isn't FC United, and it isn't the council - how about the global class of oligarchs that have 'our' governments in their pockets, you know, the type who use their power and privilege to plunder the mineral wealth from places like Russia and the UAE, for whom concepts like democracy and public ownership of resources are to be laughed at, and who sprinkle their cash around so they can be feted by English football fans desperate for a bit of the success they used to say wasn't that important to them.

In Moston there are City fans and there are United fans, their community doesn't need or want your club in it. The reds in Moston will have their own views on your club, most reds I know despise FC United, and with good reason- you turned your back on the club they support.
The Blues in Moston will probably be wondering what this community spirited club can offer them and their kids. Here is a club whose name is an anagram of Manchester United Fc, who play in red, white and black, whose fan base is made up of disgruntled Man Utd supporters who now think they've invented 'punk football' (wtf?) Who sing United songs, and can be found in a pub watching the Club they still love really, only slightly less than they used to

So, what does your club offer City supporting members of the community you are so keen to gatecrash? Perhaps if you had created a club that wasn't so much of a mini-me Man Utd, you'd have a bit more support from the wider community.

 

[newtonheathdave]

Re: FC United - Judicial Review day 2 (pg 61)

Now if Fc United are goind to build a gum, swimming pool, sauna and a library to replace the ones the council are closing in New Moston due to funding cuts, then they might get a bit more sympathy.
It is a disgrace the council are getting rid of the things we need while raising council tax and bending over backwards to accomodate a football team that has no links what so ever with the area.
The land they want to build the ground on should be sold at full market value and the money generated used to keep our gym, pool and library open. There should be no loans what so ever to FC united. Especially in the curtent climate where council tax is going up and our services being cut.
We need things that benefit the whole community, not a football ground for out of towners who turn up once a fortnight.

 

[Mike N]

Re: FC United - Judicial Review day 2 (pg 61)

Luddite you sound like someone I used to work with. Word for word he could have written your last reply. If you are the same man, you'll recognise my name and where I live.