FC United thread

Mad Eyed Screamer said:
There was already a covenant on the land to begin with.... The land was left in memory of Ronald Johnson who was killed in WW1 for local people to enjoy recreational activites on.... The council managed to convince the organisation responsible for maintaining covenanted lands to release the land for the stadium...
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Covenants are legally difficult. In short someone owns them (has the benefit) and has the ability to release them and the power to enforce them. If not you can argue they are not enforceable with the land registry and get them removed or you can ignore them and take out insurance against any claims that are made against you.

No idea where the above covenant fits in with all of that. Maybe they have insurance against a claim. This insurance is pretty cheap as it is very difficult for any claim to be successful.
 
Gaudion M said:
Covenants are legally difficult. In short someone owns them (has the benefit) and has the ability to release them and the power to enforce them. If not you can argue they are not enforceable with the land registry and get them removed or you can ignore them and take out insurance against any claims that are made against you.

No idea where the above covenant fits in with all of that. Maybe they have insurance against a claim. This insurance is pretty cheap as it is very difficult for any claim to be successful.
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am not 100% on this ?? but Covenants of land are legally bound for 100 years or until the people looking after the land are dissolved or dead then it can be sold ??

like i said i think the 100 year thing is right because there was a little bit of land in ancoats that was used by permanoid i think and the land was run by Covenants and urban village and methodist church built housing on it but had to go to court to get the land ?? maybe am miles off but sounds right to me
 
ancoats said:
am not 100% on this ?? but Covenants of land are legally bound for 100 years or until the people looking after the land are dissolved or dead then it can be sold ??

like i said i think the 100 year thing is right because there was a little bit of land in ancoats that was used by permanoid i think and the land was run by Covenants and urban village and methodist church built housing on it but had to go to court to get the land ?? maybe am miles off but sounds right to me
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I have not come across 100 years but there is a concept of established use. If you use some land for a purpose after an amount of time you gain the right to continue. It comes in most often with access. If you access your land over a field that you dont own but the access has been there for xxx years then the owner of the field can not deny you access.

The xxx is much less than 100 years. But this is different to covenants - covenants are closer to ownership. They are more like a condition on a sale. You buy land subject to the covenants. If you sold the land and originally inserted the covenant you can make claims against anyone who does goes against it.
 
Gaudion M said:
I have not come across 100 years but there is a concept of established use. If you use some land for a purpose after an amount of time you gain the right to continue. It comes in most often with access. If you access your land over a field that you dont own but the access has been there for xxx years then the owner of the field can not deny you access.

The xxx is much less than 100 years. But this is different to covenants - covenants are closer to ownership. They are more like a condition on a sale. You buy land subject to the covenants. If you sold the land and originally inserted the covenant you can make claims against anyone who does goes against it.
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In this case there were 2 great nephews or neices of Ronald Johnson remaining and i cant remember the exact details but one was located and i think said they were ok with the stadium and the other im not sure... Think they werent fussed either way. This was used in the hearing.
There certainly wasnt a time restriction on the covenent
 
ancoats said:
i can add to that there was a park at the front of saint mary's road and tennis courts and bowling greens and i think a big bandstand and the church band would play every sunday in the early 1930s and in the 1980s a speedway bicycle race track was built and it was big thing, race meets every weekends and teams from all over the country would take part and was great to watch
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I moved into the area just off St Mary's Road in 1992 and recall the cycle speedway track
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
In this case there were 2 great nephews or neices of Ronald Johnson remaining and i cant remember the exact details but one was located and i think said they were ok with the stadium and the other im not sure... Think they werent fussed either way. This was used in the hearing.
There certainly wasnt a time restriction on the covenent
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like i also said if people are still alive then it will be in there hands and up to them, the 100 year law maybe am wrong on that ??? but something is ticking in my head about the 100 year law, don't know why but i was on board of the ancoats youth and community and did the youth club for many years about 20 years ago, and went to many meeting about land around the area that was up for redevelopment

i think permanoid own the land but was under a Covenant land order and the people in ancoats used it as a football pitch and ancoats urban village and the methodist had to go to court for the land maybe am well off the mark with it being so long ago but it rings a bell ???
 
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Gaudion M said:
I thought they would go last summer and they brought out the 3 years season tickets. I guess if they sell them every summer they might stay afloat....
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They only sold around 60 so finding others each year to do the same will be very hard. I think too many fans have had their wallets burnt too often to be forking out long term again.
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
They only sold around 60 so finding others each year to do the same will be very hard. I think too many fans have had their wallets burnt too often to be forking out long term again.
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yep

from 8000 fans at gig lane and even getting bigger crowds than the landlords bury fc to now looking like they are on the brink of going under ???
and from the dreams of being a fan owned club with a fan voted board to the elected committee and chairman doing its best to fudge the books

they even fooled the manchester city council and many charities to fund the project and build a new stadium ??? even the people of moston turned them down but the council went ahead and built it anyway, so it was doomed before it was built and if the people of moston and north manchester hated it you bet manchester city fans hated it more

and never once did the manchester city council come and help manchester city with anything not even new ideas in investments when we was down on our knees ?? only the sport city and the lottery investment in the Commonwealth games and new stadium that we had to sell the land we owned platt lane and maine road to found the movement so again MCC council did nothing really ??? but FCUM have had so much funding and help and loans that the MCC and the leaders must be questioned
 
It never ceases to amaze me that in a time of genuine financial stringency (certainly much tighter than at any other period in my lifetime, which includes several eras of cuts) bodies like Manchester CC can find money to splurge on such pointless projects as FCUM.

The equivalent, I suppose is Boris Johnson pissing money up the wall on that stupid garden bridge and aerial ropeway, just in case anyone thinks I am having a go at a particular Party. Not today.

I find it odd, to say the least. The excuse is (probably) that it's capital, not revenue, spending, or that there some special pot that cannot be spent on anything useful. But it's not good publicity for the Council, is it? Gives people the idea that they do have money, but choose to spend it on stupid shit. Which may well be a false impression, but one that is easily assumed, given that not everyone is a public sector accountant.
 
BrianW said:
It never ceases to amaze me that in a time of genuine financial stringency (certainly much tighter than at any other period in my lifetime, which includes several eras of cuts) bodies like Manchester CC can find money to splurge on such pointless projects as FCUM.

The equivalent, I suppose is Boris Johnson pissing money up the wall on that stupid garden bridge and aerial ropeway, just in case anyone thinks I am having a go at a particular Party. Not today.

I find it odd, to say the least. The excuse is (probably) that it's capital, not revenue, spending, or that there some special pot that cannot be spent on anything useful. But it's not good publicity for the Council, is it? Gives people the idea that they do have money, but choose to spend it on stupid shit. Which may well be a false impression, but one that is easily assumed, given that not everyone is a public sector accountant.
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i think a lot of the money was charity based funding and by using the MCC name to back their plans lot's of the charities was fooled into believing it was a good investment, but loaning fcum any money from M.C.C was wrong ?? and the local councillor must have had some sort of power to get that cleared by somebody at the council ??

the money will never be repaid back and FCUM will be lost to the history books and will be gone before not to long and they had their 15 minutes of fame on the BBC, and sold their soul to the devil in one of there big bug bears of tv money and the money they made from it ?? by moving dates in order to make the most money from a tv deal hahahaha, for a so called a fan funded club and self investment by money from the fans turning up each week they have wasted millions of other peoples money (mostly charity) founded

the manchester city council let the people of moston and north manchester down by letting this happen and also moston youth football club had to be moved and let down by moving the founding that was set out for them in the first place so MCC did the dirty on kids as well
 
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