FC United Thread

East Level 2 said:
Why would Newton Heath be their spiritual home? None of the fuckers was alive when the rags played there and the club and fans have never stated any desire to return.
They whinge about the lack of success under the Glazers but all their periods of success (apart from one trophy possibly) came whole they were at the swamp.
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The rags never played at their own ground in Manchester, they lie about their history and how long they have existed, actually formed in 1902 in Trafford Newton Heath were insolvent
 
Mad Eyed Screamer said:
Thanks for the reply.

So a few points to pick up on, firstly AFC Wimbledon, Macc and Bury had their clubs taken from them. They were deliberately run down by their owners. Last time I checked “Big Red” won the league a few times and even the Champions League since FCUM started up and this is why very few fans outside of your circle take you seriously because your original club still exists, still wins trophies and plays at the same stadium. You just spat your dummies out because you didn’t like the owner. The fact that your club considers its birth in the same vein as Wimbledon, Bury, Macc etc is what most fans find puzzling and laughable.
AFC Liverpool do not come under our radar because they haven’t (to my knowledge) borrowed £1m plus from Manchester city council, while other public services are being closed due to a lack of funding and nor did they rip the heart out of a once thriving junior football club in north Manchester (and in doing so swallow up £750K of their funding) and build a stadium on a land gifted to the people of Manchester for leisure use.

Please tell me, under the ownership of the Edwards’ dynasty, what control of the club did fans have? Martin Edwards may have listened to IMUSA or MUST but he pretty much did what he wanted to do, as did his father. Granted fan power stopped the Sky takeover but maybe in turn that enabled the club to be flogged to the Glazer family! Be careful what you wish for lol.

OK so your club hasn’t said City fans are not welcome but the club is not welcoming to City fans. If I turned up at an Abbey Hey game or down at Bower Fold in a City shirt I doubt anyone would bat an eyelid. Could I say the same thing if I rocked up at Pallet Park?
Would you rent out the stadium to a company that said we are putting an event on but it’s a male only event, or dare I say, a whites only event? Now in no way am I comparing banning City fans to banning people based on the colour of their skin, and to be honest I don’t even know why the point of it being a red only event was made as no self respecting Blue would have gone there to watch the game, but by allowing the event to be held there (and good luck with it, I’m sure it was a nice little earner for you) it once more puts into the minds of City fans that this little part of north Manchester isn’t for them.
Or let me ask this, if Manchester City supporters club asked FCUM if they could hire the stadium to show City’s champions league final on the pitch on a large screen, replacing your "making friends not millionaires" etc banners so City banners could go up, would the board or members vote for approval of that request?

Another point to make is your claim that new and younger fans (and students) are turning up these days. And at the same time gates are dwindling. So why have the original fan base been leaving in droves? It would seem that you have lost 2000 fans from when the stadium has opened. Why do you think that has happened?

Finally, you avoided the question about the “suggested donation” on top of the season ticket price as being a tax dodging exercise…..
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Ah right, so because Utd are doing well on the pitch then, nobody is allowed to moan, complain, leave etc? Again, just have to take it. I know that might be the mentality in your neck of the woods but it is less so on this side. Also, you're criticising fans for leaving a team that was winning, turning their back on that and going to watch the NW Counties? First and only time we'll ever hear that be criticised I imagine. Like I said to you, when the inevitable happens to City, because even Stevie Wonder could see the direction the PL is going, you cannot complain about anything. When Ted Boehly 2.0 takes over your club and has you playing against Liverpool in New York, there can be absolutely no complaints. No complaints about how you don't like it, how you don't recognise your club anymore, and definitely make sure you don't protest or set up a club that reminds you of what it used to be as a CIty fan when you felt at least some connection to the club and the players. Just accept it, just accept that's the trajectory of football and there's nothing you can do about it.

We've already covered why the club is in Moston though. And if FC United can't blame the council for bowing down to pressure form City around the Newton Heath site, then you can't blame the club for the council's decisions either.

I mean, would we hire out the ground to City fans? Would you be trusted to not vandalise it? You've spent 550 pages saying how much you dislike the club, so that'll probably have some bearing when it comes to the decision. I've seen the odd fan at our place in a City shirt, they had no issues. Also had fans there in Liverpool, Everton shirts as well. Never any issues.

Pretty simple why attendances have dropped. Novelty wears off for some people, relegation from NLN, stagnation in the NPL, people pass away. But actually our average attendances have remained the same now for the last 5 seasons at around 1700. Slightly down this season after a bad start and lack of faith in the previous manager, but in our two games under the new manager at home we're back to the average. Excluding a former EFL club in Macc, we're the best supported club in the NPL. You pretty much are looking at top end NL and L2 clubs to find a club who'd take 600 away on a Saturday like we did to Leek. Took 250 up to Hebburn twice in a month. Took 900 to Macc last season. Macc are another good example of this, they were in L2 playing in front of 1200-1500, now they play in front of 3,000 in the NPL. One reason is they're winning every week, another is it's new, and there's a buzz under the new ownership and investments that the 2 Rob's have attratced, but once they find their level in the next year or two their attendances will drop, even though they'll be in a higher league.

The Council are on our finances forensically. If it was a tax dodging exercise don't you think you'd know about it already.
 
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cheekybids said:
You’re full of shit…..

For starters you are fuck all like AFC Wimbledon & the ownership model was completely different, the rest was just waffle. The ownership model you had no problem with was 1 or 5 clubs that conspired for the introduction of the premier league & all the greed that came with it.

Loads of my mates go & watch semi pro instead, they love the ease of turning up & getting a pint & not being over arsed at the result. A lot of them have lads playing that level & I go along myself when I’m around. It doesn’t have to be a mini me, it tends to be a local club in walking distance.

The main reason people comment is the sheer hypocrisy of you & your club. You didn’t like the Glazers for taking money out of the club, TV schedules, changing game times etc etc Youve done the fucking lot.
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A lot of non-league clubs are "mini me". Everyone takes ideas from everyone, a lot of the time local, other times from further afield. Having "Celtic" in your name and wearing green and white. Being from Leeds and wearing white shirts, and blue shorts like Guiseley. Having "Athletic" in your name and wearing red and white stripes etc.

We've got no money, it's been said several times in this thread. The council look at our finances, so how is any individual taking money out of the club? You know the club can't change if they're selected in the FA Cup on TV don't you? One of those games was during covid and allowed our fans to watch the team. But that is out of our control unless we boycott the competition completely, but it's actually the best part of non-league football, so why would we.
 
M40_Sheriff said:
Again, some stuff pretty wide of the mark again here.

The club didn't hold anything for the FA Cup final. A private company called Red Square asked the club if they could use the ground as a venue to show the game. This company then made the decision from a security point of view to make it a United only event. But it wasn't a club event.

As a club are we any different to AFC Liverpool? A team who wear all red, have an all red kit with a Liver bird as their crest, and have just "jumbled the words around". Just waiting for you to start the thread for that....any day now. AFC Wimbledon are a protest club, we have a really good relationship with them. They've also just "jumbled the words around". Trade off the back of the history of Wimbledon FC, wear the same kit as Wimbledon FC, have the same badge as Wimbledon FC. Any issues with that? Both clubs have been removed from their fans, difference is there's was physically taken away from a geographical point of view. The sad thing about this is, you see this from your perspective where you are now. The future of City is completely out of the hands of City fans. It's that expensive that when the club is eventually sold, the only person who'll likely buy it will be some American hedge fund. When that happens, and if they run it really poorly and you disagree with absolutely everything they do, we can assume one of two things will happen. 1. You sit there, take it, shut up, don't protest and just keep giving your money to them as they destroy your club, or 2. We'll see a local non-league teams attendance increase by about 5-6k as all the disenfranchised City fans turn up at Abbey Hey or Stalybridge. What City fans won't do is form a splinter club, where you as a group can feel connected to something that used to be, we can all be assured of that.

Is there any issue with the club Atletico Madrid, originally setup as Athletic Madrid by fans from Bilbao who set up the club on the back of Athletic Club. Same kit, same name. What about Bangor 1876 who were set up as a protest to the ownership of Bangor City FC, have the same badge as Bangor City did and the same kit. Just seems to be some inconsistency with your outrage. What about the club that is now Macclesfield and the club that is now Bury? Both of those are technically using the identities, badges, kits of other clubs.

So on the point of alienation, see the points above. Nowhere has 50% of the community been told they're not welcome. This is something you imagine as City fans. They also don't really care about City. It might be 10,15, 20 years time but you'll end up in the same boat with your club. You'll tell me you've stuck by your club in the dark times of the past so you're different. Except the difference being is you could influence a local business man who owned the club when you played at Maine Road. Good luck influencing someone who lives in California, doesn't care about you as fans, doesn't care about the club as long as it's lining their pockets and uses you as a cashcow and just wants you playing league games all over the world, because without a doubt that will happen sooner than you realise, and then what?

Coming down to the pricing it still ends up being absolutely nowhere near the cost of a PL game.

Hyde United have been fan owned since 2015 which weirdly is when they changed back to red from blue. So it's a pretty interesting "partnership" the clubs had. Clearly City did force Hyde to do things they didn't want to in order to survive, which is why Hyde changed everything back as soon as City left, but the constant theme is City are the perfect club who've never done anything bad.

Another point that should be mentioned, the new manager and assistant are Scouse. The assistant played for Liverpool. Nobody cares, same way very few there cares about City now. Who knows what the future will bring, but we were supposed to be wound up by December 2005 according to most. Had 600 travelling at Leek on Saturday. Fanbase is getting younger as well, lots of Uni students from the area tend to come down as the 18-25 age group don't reallty follow the PL now because of the price, the sanitation, the VAR, that age group follows the EFL and non-league more, so that bodes well.
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Have you got rid of all the thugs who used to follow your team? I witnessed some of them once bullying and harrasssing families on a train and targeting older City fans. To be fair it was some years ago so perhaps you have got rid of these scumbags nowadays. This is a genuine post. The incident left a very negative impression on me about your club.
 
M40_Sheriff said:
Again, some stuff pretty wide of the mark again here.

The club didn't hold anything for the FA Cup final. A private company called Red Square asked the club if they could use the ground as a venue to show the game. This company then made the decision from a security point of view to make it a United only event. But it wasn't a club event.

As a club are we any different to AFC Liverpool? A team who wear all red, have an all red kit with a Liver bird as their crest, and have just "jumbled the words around". Just waiting for you to start the thread for that....any day now. AFC Wimbledon are a protest club, we have a really good relationship with them. They've also just "jumbled the words around". Trade off the back of the history of Wimbledon FC, wear the same kit as Wimbledon FC, have the same badge as Wimbledon FC. Any issues with that? Both clubs have been removed from their fans, difference is there's was physically taken away from a geographical point of view. The sad thing about this is, you see this from your perspective where you are now. The future of City is completely out of the hands of City fans. It's that expensive that when the club is eventually sold, the only person who'll likely buy it will be some American hedge fund. When that happens, and if they run it really poorly and you disagree with absolutely everything they do, we can assume one of two things will happen. 1. You sit there, take it, shut up, don't protest and just keep giving your money to them as they destroy your club, or 2. We'll see a local non-league teams attendance increase by about 5-6k as all the disenfranchised City fans turn up at Abbey Hey or Stalybridge. What City fans won't do is form a splinter club, where you as a group can feel connected to something that used to be, we can all be assured of that.

Is there any issue with the club Atletico Madrid, originally setup as Athletic Madrid by fans from Bilbao who set up the club on the back of Athletic Club. Same kit, same name. What about Bangor 1876 who were set up as a protest to the ownership of Bangor City FC, have the same badge as Bangor City did and the same kit. Just seems to be some inconsistency with your outrage. What about the club that is now Macclesfield and the club that is now Bury? Both of those are technically using the identities, badges, kits of other clubs.

So on the point of alienation, see the points above. Nowhere has 50% of the community been told they're not welcome. This is something you imagine as City fans. They also don't really care about City. It might be 10,15, 20 years time but you'll end up in the same boat with your club. You'll tell me you've stuck by your club in the dark times of the past so you're different. Except the difference being is you could influence a local business man who owned the club when you played at Maine Road. Good luck influencing someone who lives in California, doesn't care about you as fans, doesn't care about the club as long as it's lining their pockets and uses you as a cashcow and just wants you playing league games all over the world, because without a doubt that will happen sooner than you realise, and then what?

Coming down to the pricing it still ends up being absolutely nowhere near the cost of a PL game.

Hyde United have been fan owned since 2015 which weirdly is when they changed back to red from blue. So it's a pretty interesting "partnership" the clubs had. Clearly City did force Hyde to do things they didn't want to in order to survive, which is why Hyde changed everything back as soon as City left, but the constant theme is City are the perfect club who've never done anything bad.

Another point that should be mentioned, the new manager and assistant are Scouse. The assistant played for Liverpool. Nobody cares, same way very few there cares about City now. Who knows what the future will bring, but we were supposed to be wound up by December 2005 according to most. Had 600 travelling at Leek on Saturday. Fanbase is getting younger as well, lots of Uni students from the area tend to come down as the 18-25 age group don't reallty follow the PL now because of the price, the sanitation, the VAR, that age group follows the EFL and non-league more, so that bodes well.
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You don't care about City..what a load of crap
You sing songs about City all the fucking time
Why do you sing about Leeds as well.
You are full of shit..
Plastic club with a diminishing fan base..
The sooner you go fucking bump the better..then you can all fuck off back to being rags again.
 
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