FC United Thread

[Colin Bells Boots]

Less than 10% aye, again, nobody is saying any different.

It is in the long term yeah but initially it wasn't. Once our loan is paid back in full with interest the full amount paid back won't be far off the loan and grant amounts combined, and to show for it a relatively deprived area of Manchester will have a multi million pound facility whose occupants are duty bound (by both themselves and the terms of their lease) to provide a plethora of community initiatives whilst creating jobs in the local area (already happened). All in all money well invested providing you don't hold a ridiculous grudge against anything football related with United in it's name ;)

See above, great business for the council and ergo the taxpayer.

What you sing is up to you, what we sing is up to us. Maybe concentrate on your own atmosphere issues before slating a club who generate a good one for the entire game both home and away ;)

Cool story, I've met a fair few city fans and they all kill innocent puppies, bastards!

Back to Moston? Were they ever at Broadhurst Park in the first place? Don't recall that, don't even recall Broadhurst Park existing when all that was going on.

You can hear us from 2.5 miles away? Fucking hell we're good :)

Can't say I've ever heard Salford City fans sing anything other than "Salford! Salford! Salford!"

That kinda thing wouldn't be seen dead at Broadhurst Park, you see plenty of that stuff at Old Trafford and the Etihad though ;) Besides Salford have a lot more in common with you guys than they do FCUM, pretty much polar opposites.

So a positively virtuous establishment and set of supporters ( ???) despite being the spawn of the Rag hoardes / lemmings . You will surely find a place in heaven.

 

[aguero93:20]

See above, great business for the council and ergo the taxpayer.

6.5m outlay, about a ton in rent including inflation over a century.... Yep, spot on there.

Where in Manchester are you from? I'm a former Ardwick resident but Irish living in Ireland, since you give with one hand and take with the other.

 

[ancoats]

NorthManc7

i was talking about the (culture club) karma chameleon fans who come and go who come and go in there red gold and green

anyway happy new year

 

[The perfect fumble]

I walked in a small city centre pub the other day. I had my City hat on. I thought I had walked into the Strangeways 'C' wing Christmas 'Do'. If that doesn't describe the customers then how about a 1970's hooligan firm, white, shaved heads, not a football scarf in sight. The comments came flying over, strange how you can spot a small badge on a hat from 25 yards when you want to and they refused to move at the bar so that I could get served. Ah well, I got served and went and sat with my mates. I later asked the barman who they were and the answer is the one that you know, this is after all a thread about lowlife.

By any chance?....

 

[Tanzeylee]

Cool story, I've met a fair few city fans and they all kill innocent puppies, bastards.

There’s no such thing as an innocent puppy

 

[Tueartsoverhead kick]

whilst creating jobs in the local area (already happened).

That's an interesting comment can you please tell us how many jobs you have created and what they are ? I'm sure you wouldn't have come up with that statement without having the answers

 

[nmc]

That's an interesting comment can you please tell us how many jobs you have created and what they are ? I'm sure you wouldn't have come up with that statement without having the answers

A couple of unpaid car park attendants on match days!

 

[NorthManc7]

So a positively virtuous establishment and set of supporters ( ???) despite being the spawn of the Rag hoardes / lemmings . You will surely find a place in heaven.

Positively virtuous :) We do our best, make mistakes along the way but I'd like to think we get most things right.

6.5m outlay, about a ton in rent including inflation over a century.... Yep, spot on there.

Where in Manchester are you from? I'm a former Ardwick resident but Irish living in Ireland, since you give with one hand and take with the other.

Not sure if I've misunderstood you here but there was no £6.5m outlay for the council, the majority of that we raised ourselves we only received just over half a million from the council and another half a million in a loan that is being paid back with interest. The money was already in the pipeline for development on Broadhurst Park anyway before the council offered us the space. Not sure what rent you are referring to either.

North Manchester me, clue is in the name ;) Not sure what I'm taking though I've paid my fair share of tax over the decades and only ever spent a short amount of time out of work.

NorthManc7

i was talking about the (culture club) karma chameleon fans who come and go who come and go in there red gold and green

anyway happy new year

The whole green and gold thing came after FC United and was a pretty useless "protest" - had nothing to do with what happened in 2005. Happy new year :)

There’s no such thing as an innocent puppy

Touche!

That's an interesting comment can you please tell us how many jobs you have created and what they are ? I'm sure you wouldn't have come up with that statement without having the answers

I don't have the exact number to hand but we have paid bar staff (around a dozen), office staff, chef, food and beverage staff on match days, community staff (coaches, teachers etc). A good proportion of those have M40 or M9 postcodes so are locals. Hardly changing the world but every little helps an' all that.

 

[NorthManc7]

A couple of unpaid car park attendants on match days!

Our car park attendants are all match day volunteers so unpaid yup. Our safety officer is however a paid position.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Less than 10% aye, again, nobody is saying any different.

It is in the long term yeah but initially it wasn't. Once our loan is paid back in full with interest the full amount paid back won't be far off the loan and grant amounts combined, and to show for it a relatively deprived area of Manchester will have a multi million pound facility whose occupants are duty bound (by both themselves and the terms of their lease) to provide a plethora of community initiatives whilst creating jobs in the local area (already happened). All in all money well invested providing you don't hold a ridiculous grudge against anything football related with United in it's name ;)

So how much roughly will FCUM have paid in interest when the loan is paid back, which will be so beneficial to tax payers? My understanding is it was a ''favourable loan'' in terms of what a bank would have charged in interest.

You quoted something within a text I wrote so no one noticed it..... I asked what the council would do with the white elephant should FCUM go bust. You said ''Sell it.... 1 million will repay everything.'' Who do you think would buy a 5,000 capacity football stadium in Moston?
Which leads me to my next point in how FCUM stitched up the local community in that it is in the clubs constitution or whatever you call it, that should the club fold, the site can only be used for sporting purposes. Well thank you for consulting with local people over how the land should be used should you go tits up. So not only did the council fuck off the covenant on the Ronald Johnson Playing Field - a covenant declaring the land be for local people to enjoy -, but then FCUM dictate what becomes of the land should they fuck off too.....
Which answers your last attempt at point scoring...... I have / had no issue or grudge with FCUM, I know (knew) Andy Walsh and Adam Brown very well (remember those two? Shafted you all good and proper didn't they!) until the Moston issue came up. The whole thing was a council stitch up. Community consultation was the ''Andy Walsh Roadshow'', Andy telling us what was going to happen and how it would be good for Moston.... it was all stitched up from the start.....
I lived in Moston at the time and had done for 18 years. The good people of Moston were shafted by the council / FCUM and 2 of the 3 local councillors - both of whom have long fucked off.
So please do not confuse / misunderstand / under estimate my objections to FCUM being in Moston being based solely around the name / background of the football team playing in the stadium there. That is a way too convenient / handy label for you to band about so you do not have scratch below the surface to understand the real anger / frustration that local residents felt about the whole issue.

 

[Machiavelli]

So how much roughly will FCUM have paid in interest when the loan is paid back, which will be so beneficial to tax payers? My understanding is it was a ''favourable loan'' in terms of what a bank would have charged in interest.

You quoted something within a text I wrote so no one noticed it..... I asked what the council would do with the white elephant should FCUM go bust. You said ''Sell it.... 1 million will repay everything.'' Who do you think would buy a 5,000 capacity football stadium in Moston?
Which leads me to my next point in how FCUM stitched up the local community in that it is in the clubs constitution or whatever you call it, that should the club fold, the site can only be used for sporting purposes. Well thank you for consulting with local people over how the land should be used should you go tits up. So not only did the council fuck off the covenant on the Ronald Johnson Playing Field - a covenant declaring the land be for local people to enjoy -, but then FCUM dictate what becomes of the land should they fuck off too.....
Which answers your last attempt at point scoring...... I have / had no issue or grudge with FCUM, I know (knew) Andy Walsh and Adam Brown very well (remember those two? Shafted you all good and proper didn't they!) until the Moston issue came up. The whole thing was a council stitch up. Community consultation was the ''Andy Walsh Roadshow'', Andy telling us what was going to happen and how it would be good for Moston.... it was all stitched up from the start.....
I lived in Moston at the time and had done for 18 years. The good people of Moston were shafted by the council / FCUM and 2 of the 3 local councillors - both of whom have long fucked off.
So please do not confuse / misunderstand / under estimate my objections to FCUM being in Moston being based solely around the name / background of the football team playing in the stadium there. That is a way too convenient / handy label for you to band about so you do not have scratch below the surface to understand the real anger / frustration that local residents felt about the whole issue.

You need to use more of these ;) in this thread.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

You need to use more of these ;) in this thread.

Don't get it......

 

[blue b4 the moon]

You need to use more of these ;) in this thread.

;)

 

[NorthManc7]

So how much roughly will FCUM have paid in interest when the loan is paid back, which will be so beneficial to tax payers? My understanding is it was a ''favourable loan'' in terms of what a bank would have charged in interest.

You quoted something within a text I wrote so no one noticed it..... I asked what the council would do with the white elephant should FCUM go bust. You said ''Sell it.... 1 million will repay everything.'' Who do you think would buy a 5,000 capacity football stadium in Moston?
Which leads me to my next point in how FCUM stitched up the local community in that it is in the clubs constitution or whatever you call it, that should the club fold, the site can only be used for sporting purposes. Well thank you for consulting with local people over how the land should be used should you go tits up. So not only did the council fuck off the covenant on the Ronald Johnson Playing Field - a covenant declaring the land be for local people to enjoy -, but then FCUM dictate what becomes of the land should they fuck off too.....
Which answers your last attempt at point scoring...... I have / had no issue or grudge with FCUM, I know (knew) Andy Walsh and Adam Brown very well (remember those two? Shafted you all good and proper didn't they!) until the Moston issue came up. The whole thing was a council stitch up. Community consultation was the ''Andy Walsh Roadshow'', Andy telling us what was going to happen and how it would be good for Moston.... it was all stitched up from the start.....
I lived in Moston at the time and had done for 18 years. The good people of Moston were shafted by the council / FCUM and 2 of the 3 local councillors - both of whom have long fucked off.
So please do not confuse / misunderstand / under estimate my objections to FCUM being in Moston being based solely around the name / background of the football team playing in the stadium there. That is a way too convenient / handy label for you to band about so you do not have scratch below the surface to understand the real anger / frustration that local residents felt about the whole issue.

Well I don't know what the interest rate of the loan is off the top of my head but it may well have been "favourable". Although by the time it is due to be paid back as I said previously it isn't a million miles off covering both the loan and the initial grant so it isn't probably as "favourable" as you might think.

I have no idea who would buy a 5000 capacity stadium, I doubt anyone on here does. I'm pretty sure it could be put to good use though, not that it'll come to that anyway.

I'm unaware of any clause that states it has to be used for sporting purposes. We do have this in place though:

Of particular interest is the Asset Lock which is unique in English football. The constitution of FC United contains a statutory asset lock which cannot be removed by members’ resolution and which restricts the ability of the society to use or deal with its assets other than for the benefit of the community. In particular:
• The only payments which can be made to members are the value of withdrawable share capital or interest on withdrawable share capital
• The company’s assets cannot be transferred except to another organisation whose assets are similarly protected.
This means that the value of the club’s assets, including its interest in the stadium is secured for
community benefit and cannot be ‘demutualised’ or cashed in. This reflects the club’s commitment to its
purpose and the basis on which the Capital Funding Shares are being issued.

Basically means that the site always has to be used to benefit the community. The site is currently benefiting a lot more local people than it was before the ground was built anyway, I imagine that's why the family of Ronald Johnson gave it their blessing.

Those against the build and those still against the build (there doesn't appear to be much animosity any more - possibly because the main issues brought up at the time as potential problems haven't materialised) may very well have been shafted but all indications show that the majority of local people were in favour of the build therefore had it not gone ahead there would have been even more people shafted. And yes I know about some guy mentioning about putting local addresses down in favour, no idea what came of this but I also know that those against the built were campaigning outside of the Etihad for signatures and whilst you personally may have had perfectly valid objections to the build we both know full well that some of your fellow supporters would have signed this simply because of who we are and where we came from.

Anyway as you say you no longer live in Moston so on the bright side you no longer have to live in an area where a football club is doing it's best to be a good neighbour and provide countless benefits for it's local community :)

 

[1961_vintage]

Anyway as you say you no longer live in Moston so on the bright side you no longer have to live in an area where a football club is doing it's best to be a good neighbour and provide countless benefits for it's local community :)

Best of luck with that pal.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Well I don't know what the interest rate of the loan is off the top of my head but it may well have been "favourable". Although by the time it is due to be paid back as I said previously it isn't a million miles off covering both the loan and the initial grant so it isn't probably as "favourable" as you might think.

I have no idea who would buy a 5000 capacity stadium, I doubt anyone on here does. I'm pretty sure it could be put to good use though, not that it'll come to that anyway.

I'm unaware of any clause that states it has to be used for sporting purposes. We do have this in place though:

Of particular interest is the Asset Lock which is unique in English football. The constitution of FC United contains a statutory asset lock which cannot be removed by members’ resolution and which restricts the ability of the society to use or deal with its assets other than for the benefit of the community. In particular:
• The only payments which can be made to members are the value of withdrawable share capital or interest on withdrawable share capital
• The company’s assets cannot be transferred except to another organisation whose assets are similarly protected.
This means that the value of the club’s assets, including its interest in the stadium is secured for
community benefit and cannot be ‘demutualised’ or cashed in. This reflects the club’s commitment to its
purpose and the basis on which the Capital Funding Shares are being issued.

Basically means that the site always has to be used to benefit the community. The site is currently benefiting a lot more local people than it was before the ground was built anyway, I imagine that's why the family of Ronald Johnson gave it their blessing.

Those against the build and those still against the build (there doesn't appear to be much animosity any more - possibly because the main issues brought up at the time as potential problems haven't materialised) may very well have been shafted but all indications show that the majority of local people were in favour of the build therefore had it not gone ahead there would have been even more people shafted. And yes I know about some guy mentioning about putting local addresses down in favour, no idea what came of this but I also know that those against the built were campaigning outside of the Etihad for signatures and whilst you personally may have had perfectly valid objections to the build we both know full well that some of your fellow supporters would have signed this simply because of who we are and where we came from.

Anyway as you say you no longer live in Moston so on the bright side you no longer have to live in an area where a football club is doing it's best to be a good neighbour and provide countless benefits for it's local community :)

Does that include Moston Juniors FC? How many of their teams currently use the site?
The land may be being used by more people than it was but how many of the average 2500 crowd are ''local''. Impossible to say I suspect, but I'd say a minority are from Moston.
I also recall (will try and dig up the evidence) where one of Ronald Johnson's descendants was not for the build. Apparently there were two great nephews remaining. Will have to try and dig it out.
And no one collected signatures outside the Etihad. That is a blatant smear against those campaigning against the build. The signatures were collected inside Mary D's.... I know that as I was one of the campaigners passing the forms and a pen around ;)

 

[NorthManc7]

Does that include Moston Juniors FC? How many of their teams currently use the site?
The land may be being used by more people than it was but how many of the average 2500 crowd are ''local''. Impossible to say I suspect, but I'd say a minority are from Moston.
I also recall (will try and dig up the evidence) where one of Ronald Johnson's descendants was not for the build. Apparently there were two great nephews remaining. Will have to try and dig it out.
And no one collected signatures outside the Etihad. That is a blatant smear against those campaigning against the build. The signatures were collected inside Mary D's.... I know that as I was one of the campaigners passing the forms and a pen around ;)

All of them I think. Not sure to be honest as I don't know how many teams they have. They are usually on the 3G though whenever I pass.

Obviously can't put a figure on how many in attendance are local but I end up chatting to someone from Moston or Blackley quite often. I know a few of the young lads who volunteer on a match day live 5mins walk from the ground.

Etihad, Mary D's, same difference. Can't imagine it's too difficult getting signatures against a non league United in a bar full of pissed city fans. I'm sure not all had genuine concerns like yourself.

Some might want to believe otherwise but there's a genuine desire at the club to be good neighbours and make a huge success of the partnership with Moston Juniors. It has been a bit of a rollercoaster since moving to Moston and we've made mistakes (who knew owning a football club and running a multi million pound facility was so fucking difficult when you've got zero experience) but we're getting there and things are much less chaotic and more organised these days. I think this new found stability will manifest into positives both on and off the pitch in time. We seem to be turning a corner on both fronts at the moment so hopefully that continues.

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

All of them I think. Not sure to be honest as I don't know how many teams they have. They are usually on the 3G though whenever I pass.

Obviously can't put a figure on how many in attendance are local but I end up chatting to someone from Moston or Blackley quite often. I know a few of the young lads who volunteer on a match day live 5mins walk from the ground.

Etihad, Mary D's, same difference. Can't imagine it's too difficult getting signatures against a non league United in a bar full of pissed city fans. I'm sure not all had genuine concerns like yourself.

Some might want to believe otherwise but there's a genuine desire at the club to be good neighbours and make a huge success of the partnership with Moston Juniors. It has been a bit of a rollercoaster since moving to Moston and we've made mistakes (who knew owning a football club and running a multi million pound facility was so fucking difficult when you've got zero experience) but we're getting there and things are much less chaotic and more organised these days. I think this new found stability will manifest into positives both on and off the pitch in time. We seem to be turning a corner on both fronts at the moment so hopefully that continues.

Yes, I was hoping Margy would have seen it out until the end of the season and relegation.... but fair play to the new player / manager. It's almost as if the previous manager (buddies with the previous regime) was deliberately running the club down (in the same fashion that the previous regime strangely attempted to do!)

 

[NorthManc7]

Yes, I was hoping Margy would have seen it out until the end of the season and relegation.... but fair play to the new player / manager. It's almost as if the previous manager (buddies with the previous regime) was deliberately running the club down (in the same fashion that the previous regime strangely attempted to do!)

To be fair to Karl he had a knack of turning things around in the 2nd half of the season, two 13th placed finishes in this division so far when we've been in the relegation places at some stage of the season. We'll never know if he'd have done it again now though.

I don't for a second believe that anyone employed by the club has purposely gone out of their way to do the club harm, least of all Karl. I've spoken to him many times, good lad and I'm sorry to see him go. But times change and the club moves forward (hopefully). Lots of positivity at present.

 

[Manc in London]

Well I don't know what the interest rate of the loan is off the top of my head but it may well have been "favourable". Although by the time it is due to be paid back as I said previously it isn't a million miles off covering both the loan and the initial grant so it isn't probably as "favourable" as you might think.

I have no idea who would buy a 5000 capacity stadium, I doubt anyone on here does. I'm pretty sure it could be put to good use though, not that it'll come to that anyway.

I'm unaware of any clause that states it has to be used for sporting purposes. We do have this in place though:

Of particular interest is the Asset Lock which is unique in English football. The constitution of FC United contains a statutory asset lock which cannot be removed by members’ resolution and which restricts the ability of the society to use or deal with its assets other than for the benefit of the community. In particular:
• The only payments which can be made to members are the value of withdrawable share capital or interest on withdrawable share capital
• The company’s assets cannot be transferred except to another organisation whose assets are similarly protected.
This means that the value of the club’s assets, including its interest in the stadium is secured for
community benefit and cannot be ‘demutualised’ or cashed in. This reflects the club’s commitment to its
purpose and the basis on which the Capital Funding Shares are being issued.

Basically means that the site always has to be used to benefit the community. The site is currently benefiting a lot more local people than it was before the ground was built anyway, I imagine that's why the family of Ronald Johnson gave it their blessing.

Those against the build and those still against the build (there doesn't appear to be much animosity any more - possibly because the main issues brought up at the time as potential problems haven't materialised) may very well have been shafted but all indications show that the majority of local people were in favour of the build therefore had it not gone ahead there would have been even more people shafted. And yes I know about some guy mentioning about putting local addresses down in favour, no idea what came of this but I also know that those against the built were campaigning outside of the Etihad for signatures and whilst you personally may have had perfectly valid objections to the build we both know full well that some of your fellow supporters would have signed this simply because of who we are and where we came from.

Anyway as you say you no longer live in Moston so on the bright side you no longer have to live in an area where a football club is doing it's best to be a good neighbour and provide countless benefits for it's local community :)

What proof do you have of that? In relation to the research, what was the sampling frame, sampling approach and methodology? Profile of respondents? What was the weighting approach that was used?