FC United Thread

Blue Mist said:
Hmm your analogy is flawed.
How about......
A succesful band get a new record label. For quite awhile the hits keep on coming so all the band are happy. Then, instead of number one in the charts they are second, maybe 4th so the bass guitarist goes off in huff. Because he has friends in the media and music world they back him and his new band. This band is styled exactly like his old band and they even sing the same songs. Others in the music/media world coerce institutions to financially back them as it would be great publicity.
The trouble is, the bass guitarist is a thief and a liar, whilst stealing the money donated/loaned he continues to con the gullible.
The gullible for their part still can't break away from the original band and continue to watch all the concerts on television. When the original band have a hit record they bore everyone in the pub how great they are. When a single flops, they bore everyone in the pub saying how great the new band are, footballs dead and it's sold its soul.
All the while though, this new band are like a whore addicted to smack. Desperately seeking money they beg, borrow (cough) steal money to keep the pathetic shit show going.
Eventually the gullible realise they are being fleeced and fuck off back to the original band that ergh they never said they despised and besides which, they've got a scruffy new manager.
All that's left is a few sad sacks moaning that City ruined everything and it's just not fair.


@Mad Eyed Screamer I think you are just to polite.
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Mad Eyed Screamer said:
The Ten Acres Lane site had been agreed on. But then was "mysteriously" pulled. Neither the council or City have admitted to why that happened but the rumours were City told the council it was too near to what was planned for around our campus.
The Rag Socks had stumped up £200,000 to prepare for being at TAL but had no agreement with the council that if the council pulled out they would reimburse the splitters. The money was lost and they blame that on having a shortfall on building Pallet Park, hence the need for the council.to bail them out and the blame on City.for the whole having to be in Moston rather than Newton Heath -their "rightful spiritual home".....
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Why would Newton Heath be their spiritual home? None of the fuckers was alive when the rags played there and the club and fans have never stated any desire to return.
They whinge about the lack of success under the Glazers but all their periods of success (apart from one trophy possibly) came whole they were at the swamp.
 
Again, some stuff pretty wide of the mark again here.

The club didn't hold anything for the FA Cup final. A private company called Red Square asked the club if they could use the ground as a venue to show the game. This company then made the decision from a security point of view to make it a United only event. But it wasn't a club event.

As a club are we any different to AFC Liverpool? A team who wear all red, have an all red kit with a Liver bird as their crest, and have just "jumbled the words around". Just waiting for you to start the thread for that....any day now. AFC Wimbledon are a protest club, we have a really good relationship with them. They've also just "jumbled the words around". Trade off the back of the history of Wimbledon FC, wear the same kit as Wimbledon FC, have the same badge as Wimbledon FC. Any issues with that? Both clubs have been removed from their fans, difference is there's was physically taken away from a geographical point of view. The sad thing about this is, you see this from your perspective where you are now. The future of City is completely out of the hands of City fans. It's that expensive that when the club is eventually sold, the only person who'll likely buy it will be some American hedge fund. When that happens, and if they run it really poorly and you disagree with absolutely everything they do, we can assume one of two things will happen. 1. You sit there, take it, shut up, don't protest and just keep giving your money to them as they destroy your club, or 2. We'll see a local non-league teams attendance increase by about 5-6k as all the disenfranchised City fans turn up at Abbey Hey or Stalybridge. What City fans won't do is form a splinter club, where you as a group can feel connected to something that used to be, we can all be assured of that.

Is there any issue with the club Atletico Madrid, originally setup as Athletic Madrid by fans from Bilbao who set up the club on the back of Athletic Club. Same kit, same name. What about Bangor 1876 who were set up as a protest to the ownership of Bangor City FC, have the same badge as Bangor City did and the same kit. Just seems to be some inconsistency with your outrage. What about the club that is now Macclesfield and the club that is now Bury? Both of those are technically using the identities, badges, kits of other clubs.

So on the point of alienation, see the points above. Nowhere has 50% of the community been told they're not welcome. This is something you imagine as City fans. They also don't really care about City. It might be 10,15, 20 years time but you'll end up in the same boat with your club. You'll tell me you've stuck by your club in the dark times of the past so you're different. Except the difference being is you could influence a local business man who owned the club when you played at Maine Road. Good luck influencing someone who lives in California, doesn't care about you as fans, doesn't care about the club as long as it's lining their pockets and uses you as a cashcow and just wants you playing league games all over the world, because without a doubt that will happen sooner than you realise, and then what?

Coming down to the pricing it still ends up being absolutely nowhere near the cost of a PL game.

Hyde United have been fan owned since 2015 which weirdly is when they changed back to red from blue. So it's a pretty interesting "partnership" the clubs had. Clearly City did force Hyde to do things they didn't want to in order to survive, which is why Hyde changed everything back as soon as City left, but the constant theme is City are the perfect club who've never done anything bad.

Another point that should be mentioned, the new manager and assistant are Scouse. The assistant played for Liverpool. Nobody cares, same way very few there cares about City now. Who knows what the future will bring, but we were supposed to be wound up by December 2005 according to most. Had 600 travelling at Leek on Saturday. Fanbase is getting younger as well, lots of Uni students from the area tend to come down as the 18-25 age group don't reallty follow the PL now because of the price, the sanitation, the VAR, that age group follows the EFL and non-league more, so that bodes well.
 
M40_Sheriff said:
Again, some stuff pretty wide of the mark again here.

The club didn't hold anything for the FA Cup final. A private company called Red Square asked the club if they could use the ground as a venue to show the game. This company then made the decision from a security point of view to make it a United only event. But it wasn't a club event.

As a club are we any different to AFC Liverpool? A team who wear all red, have an all red kit with a Liver bird as their crest, and have just "jumbled the words around". Just waiting for you to start the thread for that....any day now. AFC Wimbledon are a protest club, we have a really good relationship with them. They've also just "jumbled the words around". Trade off the back of the history of Wimbledon FC, wear the same kit as Wimbledon FC, have the same badge as Wimbledon FC. Any issues with that? Both clubs have been removed from their fans, difference is there's was physically taken away from a geographical point of view. The sad thing about this is, you see this from your perspective where you are now. The future of City is completely out of the hands of City fans. It's that expensive that when the club is eventually sold, the only person who'll likely buy it will be some American hedge fund. When that happens, and if they run it really poorly and you disagree with absolutely everything they do, we can assume one of two things will happen. 1. You sit there, take it, shut up, don't protest and just keep giving your money to them as they destroy your club, or 2. We'll see a local non-league teams attendance increase by about 5-6k as all the disenfranchised City fans turn up at Abbey Hey or Stalybridge. What City fans won't do is form a splinter club, where you as a group can feel connected to something that used to be, we can all be assured of that.

Is there any issue with the club Atletico Madrid, originally setup as Athletic Madrid by fans from Bilbao who set up the club on the back of Athletic Club. Same kit, same name. What about Bangor 1876 who were set up as a protest to the ownership of Bangor City FC, have the same badge as Bangor City did and the same kit. Just seems to be some inconsistency with your outrage. What about the club that is now Macclesfield and the club that is now Bury? Both of those are technically using the identities, badges, kits of other clubs.

So on the point of alienation, see the points above. Nowhere has 50% of the community been told they're not welcome. This is something you imagine as City fans. They also don't really care about City. It might be 10,15, 20 years time but you'll end up in the same boat with your club. You'll tell me you've stuck by your club in the dark times of the past so you're different. Except the difference being is you could influence a local business man who owned the club when you played at Maine Road. Good luck influencing someone who lives in California, doesn't care about you as fans, doesn't care about the club as long as it's lining their pockets and uses you as a cashcow and just wants you playing league games all over the world, because without a doubt that will happen sooner than you realise, and then what?

Coming down to the pricing it still ends up being absolutely nowhere near the cost of a PL game.

Hyde United have been fan owned since 2015 which weirdly is when they changed back to red from blue. So it's a pretty interesting "partnership" the clubs had. Clearly City did force Hyde to do things they didn't want to in order to survive, which is why Hyde changed everything back as soon as City left, but the constant theme is City are the perfect club who've never done anything bad.

Another point that should be mentioned, the new manager and assistant are Scouse. The assistant played for Liverpool. Nobody cares, same way very few there cares about City now. Who knows what the future will bring, but we were supposed to be wound up by December 2005 according to most. Had 600 travelling at Leek on Saturday. Fanbase is getting younger as well, lots of Uni students from the area tend to come down as the 18-25 age group don't reallty follow the PL now because of the price, the sanitation, the VAR, that age group follows the EFL and non-league more, so that bodes well.
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Poundland rag.
 
M40_Sheriff said:
Again, some stuff pretty wide of the mark again here.

The club didn't hold anything for the FA Cup final. A private company called Red Square asked the club if they could use the ground as a venue to show the game. This company then made the decision from a security point of view to make it a United only event. But it wasn't a club event.

As a club are we any different to AFC Liverpool? A team who wear all red, have an all red kit with a Liver bird as their crest, and have just "jumbled the words around". Just waiting for you to start the thread for that....any day now. AFC Wimbledon are a protest club, we have a really good relationship with them. They've also just "jumbled the words around". Trade off the back of the history of Wimbledon FC, wear the same kit as Wimbledon FC, have the same badge as Wimbledon FC. Any issues with that? Both clubs have been removed from their fans, difference is there's was physically taken away from a geographical point of view. The sad thing about this is, you see this from your perspective where you are now. The future of City is completely out of the hands of City fans. It's that expensive that when the club is eventually sold, the only person who'll likely buy it will be some American hedge fund. When that happens, and if they run it really poorly and you disagree with absolutely everything they do, we can assume one of two things will happen. 1. You sit there, take it, shut up, don't protest and just keep giving your money to them as they destroy your club, or 2. We'll see a local non-league teams attendance increase by about 5-6k as all the disenfranchised City fans turn up at Abbey Hey or Stalybridge. What City fans won't do is form a splinter club, where you as a group can feel connected to something that used to be, we can all be assured of that.

Is there any issue with the club Atletico Madrid, originally setup as Athletic Madrid by fans from Bilbao who set up the club on the back of Athletic Club. Same kit, same name. What about Bangor 1876 who were set up as a protest to the ownership of Bangor City FC, have the same badge as Bangor City did and the same kit. Just seems to be some inconsistency with your outrage. What about the club that is now Macclesfield and the club that is now Bury? Both of those are technically using the identities, badges, kits of other clubs.

So on the point of alienation, see the points above. Nowhere has 50% of the community been told they're not welcome. This is something you imagine as City fans. They also don't really care about City. It might be 10,15, 20 years time but you'll end up in the same boat with your club. You'll tell me you've stuck by your club in the dark times of the past so you're different. Except the difference being is you could influence a local business man who owned the club when you played at Maine Road. Good luck influencing someone who lives in California, doesn't care about you as fans, doesn't care about the club as long as it's lining their pockets and uses you as a cashcow and just wants you playing league games all over the world, because without a doubt that will happen sooner than you realise, and then what?

Coming down to the pricing it still ends up being absolutely nowhere near the cost of a PL game.

Hyde United have been fan owned since 2015 which weirdly is when they changed back to red from blue. So it's a pretty interesting "partnership" the clubs had. Clearly City did force Hyde to do things they didn't want to in order to survive, which is why Hyde changed everything back as soon as City left, but the constant theme is City are the perfect club who've never done anything bad.

Another point that should be mentioned, the new manager and assistant are Scouse. The assistant played for Liverpool. Nobody cares, same way very few there cares about City now. Who knows what the future will bring, but we were supposed to be wound up by December 2005 according to most. Had 600 travelling at Leek on Saturday. Fanbase is getting younger as well, lots of Uni students from the area tend to come down as the 18-25 age group don't reallty follow the PL now because of the price, the sanitation, the VAR, that age group follows the EFL and non-league more, so that bodes well.
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It's not so much a protest anymore, more of an ever diminishing whimper.
 
M40_Sheriff said:
Again, some stuff pretty wide of the mark again here.

The club didn't hold anything for the FA Cup final. A private company called Red Square asked the club if they could use the ground as a venue to show the game. This company then made the decision from a security point of view to make it a United only event. But it wasn't a club event.

As a club are we any different to AFC Liverpool? A team who wear all red, have an all red kit with a Liver bird as their crest, and have just "jumbled the words around". Just waiting for you to start the thread for that....any day now. AFC Wimbledon are a protest club, we have a really good relationship with them. They've also just "jumbled the words around". Trade off the back of the history of Wimbledon FC, wear the same kit as Wimbledon FC, have the same badge as Wimbledon FC. Any issues with that? Both clubs have been removed from their fans, difference is there's was physically taken away from a geographical point of view. The sad thing about this is, you see this from your perspective where you are now. The future of City is completely out of the hands of City fans. It's that expensive that when the club is eventually sold, the only person who'll likely buy it will be some American hedge fund. When that happens, and if they run it really poorly and you disagree with absolutely everything they do, we can assume one of two things will happen. 1. You sit there, take it, shut up, don't protest and just keep giving your money to them as they destroy your club, or 2. We'll see a local non-league teams attendance increase by about 5-6k as all the disenfranchised City fans turn up at Abbey Hey or Stalybridge. What City fans won't do is form a splinter club, where you as a group can feel connected to something that used to be, we can all be assured of that.

Is there any issue with the club Atletico Madrid, originally setup as Athletic Madrid by fans from Bilbao who set up the club on the back of Athletic Club. Same kit, same name. What about Bangor 1876 who were set up as a protest to the ownership of Bangor City FC, have the same badge as Bangor City did and the same kit. Just seems to be some inconsistency with your outrage. What about the club that is now Macclesfield and the club that is now Bury? Both of those are technically using the identities, badges, kits of other clubs.

So on the point of alienation, see the points above. Nowhere has 50% of the community been told they're not welcome. This is something you imagine as City fans. They also don't really care about City. It might be 10,15, 20 years time but you'll end up in the same boat with your club. You'll tell me you've stuck by your club in the dark times of the past so you're different. Except the difference being is you could influence a local business man who owned the club when you played at Maine Road. Good luck influencing someone who lives in California, doesn't care about you as fans, doesn't care about the club as long as it's lining their pockets and uses you as a cashcow and just wants you playing league games all over the world, because without a doubt that will happen sooner than you realise, and then what?

Coming down to the pricing it still ends up being absolutely nowhere near the cost of a PL game.

Hyde United have been fan owned since 2015 which weirdly is when they changed back to red from blue. So it's a pretty interesting "partnership" the clubs had. Clearly City did force Hyde to do things they didn't want to in order to survive, which is why Hyde changed everything back as soon as City left, but the constant theme is City are the perfect club who've never done anything bad.

Another point that should be mentioned, the new manager and assistant are Scouse. The assistant played for Liverpool. Nobody cares, same way very few there cares about City now. Who knows what the future will bring, but we were supposed to be wound up by December 2005 according to most. Had 600 travelling at Leek on Saturday. Fanbase is getting younger as well, lots of Uni students from the area tend to come down as the 18-25 age group don't reallty follow the PL now because of the price, the sanitation, the VAR, that age group follows the EFL and non-league more, so that bodes well.
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You’re full of shit…..

For starters you are fuck all like AFC Wimbledon & the ownership model was completely different, the rest was just waffle. The ownership model you had no problem with was 1 or 5 clubs that conspired for the introduction of the premier league & all the greed that came with it.

Loads of my mates go & watch semi pro instead, they love the ease of turning up & getting a pint & not being over arsed at the result. A lot of them have lads playing that level & I go along myself when I’m around. It doesn’t have to be a mini me, it tends to be a local club in walking distance.

The main reason people comment is the sheer hypocrisy of you & your club. You didn’t like the Glazers for taking money out of the club, TV schedules, changing game times etc etc Youve done the fucking lot.
 
M40_Sheriff said:
Again, some stuff pretty wide of the mark again here.

The club didn't hold anything for the FA Cup final. A private company called Red Square asked the club if they could use the ground as a venue to show the game. This company then made the decision from a security point of view to make it a United only event. But it wasn't a club event.

As a club are we any different to AFC Liverpool? A team who wear all red, have an all red kit with a Liver bird as their crest, and have just "jumbled the words around". Just waiting for you to start the thread for that....any day now. AFC Wimbledon are a protest club, we have a really good relationship with them. They've also just "jumbled the words around". Trade off the back of the history of Wimbledon FC, wear the same kit as Wimbledon FC, have the same badge as Wimbledon FC. Any issues with that? Both clubs have been removed from their fans, difference is there's was physically taken away from a geographical point of view. The sad thing about this is, you see this from your perspective where you are now. The future of City is completely out of the hands of City fans. It's that expensive that when the club is eventually sold, the only person who'll likely buy it will be some American hedge fund. When that happens, and if they run it really poorly and you disagree with absolutely everything they do, we can assume one of two things will happen. 1. You sit there, take it, shut up, don't protest and just keep giving your money to them as they destroy your club, or 2. We'll see a local non-league teams attendance increase by about 5-6k as all the disenfranchised City fans turn up at Abbey Hey or Stalybridge. What City fans won't do is form a splinter club, where you as a group can feel connected to something that used to be, we can all be assured of that.

Is there any issue with the club Atletico Madrid, originally setup as Athletic Madrid by fans from Bilbao who set up the club on the back of Athletic Club. Same kit, same name. What about Bangor 1876 who were set up as a protest to the ownership of Bangor City FC, have the same badge as Bangor City did and the same kit. Just seems to be some inconsistency with your outrage. What about the club that is now Macclesfield and the club that is now Bury? Both of those are technically using the identities, badges, kits of other clubs.

So on the point of alienation, see the points above. Nowhere has 50% of the community been told they're not welcome. This is something you imagine as City fans. They also don't really care about City. It might be 10,15, 20 years time but you'll end up in the same boat with your club. You'll tell me you've stuck by your club in the dark times of the past so you're different. Except the difference being is you could influence a local business man who owned the club when you played at Maine Road. Good luck influencing someone who lives in California, doesn't care about you as fans, doesn't care about the club as long as it's lining their pockets and uses you as a cashcow and just wants you playing league games all over the world, because without a doubt that will happen sooner than you realise, and then what?

Coming down to the pricing it still ends up being absolutely nowhere near the cost of a PL game.

Hyde United have been fan owned since 2015 which weirdly is when they changed back to red from blue. So it's a pretty interesting "partnership" the clubs had. Clearly City did force Hyde to do things they didn't want to in order to survive, which is why Hyde changed everything back as soon as City left, but the constant theme is City are the perfect club who've never done anything bad.

Another point that should be mentioned, the new manager and assistant are Scouse. The assistant played for Liverpool. Nobody cares, same way very few there cares about City now. Who knows what the future will bring, but we were supposed to be wound up by December 2005 according to most. Had 600 travelling at Leek on Saturday. Fanbase is getting younger as well, lots of Uni students from the area tend to come down as the 18-25 age group don't reallty follow the PL now because of the price, the sanitation, the VAR, that age group follows the EFL and non-league more, so that bodes well.
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Thanks for the reply.

So a few points to pick up on, firstly AFC Wimbledon, Macc and Bury had their clubs taken from them. They were deliberately run down by their owners. Last time I checked “Big Red” won the league a few times and even the Champions League since FCUM started up and this is why very few fans outside of your circle take you seriously because your original club still exists, still wins trophies and plays at the same stadium. You just spat your dummies out because you didn’t like the owner. The fact that your club considers its birth in the same vein as Wimbledon, Bury, Macc etc is what most fans find puzzling and laughable.
AFC Liverpool do not come under our radar because they haven’t (to my knowledge) borrowed £1m plus from Manchester city council, while other public services are being closed due to a lack of funding and nor did they rip the heart out of a once thriving junior football club in north Manchester (and in doing so swallow up £750K of their funding) and build a stadium on a land gifted to the people of Manchester for leisure use.

Please tell me, under the ownership of the Edwards’ dynasty, what control of the club did fans have? Martin Edwards may have listened to IMUSA or MUST but he pretty much did what he wanted to do, as did his father. Granted fan power stopped the Sky takeover but maybe in turn that enabled the club to be flogged to the Glazer family! Be careful what you wish for lol.

OK so your club hasn’t said City fans are not welcome but the club is not welcoming to City fans. If I turned up at an Abbey Hey game or down at Bower Fold in a City shirt I doubt anyone would bat an eyelid. Could I say the same thing if I rocked up at Pallet Park?
Would you rent out the stadium to a company that said we are putting an event on but it’s a male only event, or dare I say, a whites only event? Now in no way am I comparing banning City fans to banning people based on the colour of their skin, and to be honest I don’t even know why the point of it being a red only event was made as no self respecting Blue would have gone there to watch the game, but by allowing the event to be held there (and good luck with it, I’m sure it was a nice little earner for you) it once more puts into the minds of City fans that this little part of north Manchester isn’t for them.
Or let me ask this, if Manchester City supporters club asked FCUM if they could hire the stadium to show City’s champions league final on the pitch on a large screen, replacing your "making friends not millionaires" etc banners so City banners could go up, would the board or members vote for approval of that request?

Another point to make is your claim that new and younger fans (and students) are turning up these days. And at the same time gates are dwindling. So why have the original fan base been leaving in droves? It would seem that you have lost 2000 fans from when the stadium has opened. Why do you think that has happened?

Finally, you avoided the question about the “suggested donation” on top of the season ticket price as being a tax dodging exercise…..
 
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