FC United Thread

[cleavers]

then you can all fuck off back to being rags again.

Most of them still are, so you don't need "again" on the end.

 

[blue by birth]

Most of them still are, so you don't need "again" on the end.

True..

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

Ah right, so because Utd are doing well on the pitch then, nobody is allowed to moan, complain, leave etc? Again, just have to take it. I know that might be the mentality in your neck of the woods but it is less so on this side. Also, you're criticising fans for leaving a team that was winning, turning their back on that and going to watch the NW Counties? First and only time we'll ever hear that be criticised I imagine. Like I said to you, when the inevitable happens to City, because even Stevie Wonder could see the direction the PL is going, you cannot complain about anything. When Ted Boehly 2.0 takes over your club and has you playing against Liverpool in New York, there can be absolutely no complaints. No complaints about how you don't like it, how you don't recognise your club anymore, and definitely make sure you don't protest or set up a club that reminds you of what it used to be as a CIty fan when you felt at least some connection to the club and the players. Just accept it, just accept that's the trajectory of football and there's nothing you can do about it.

We've already covered why the club is in Moston though. And if FC United can't blame the council for bowing down to pressure form City around the Newton Heath site, then you can't blame the club for the council's decisions either.

I mean, would we hire out the ground to City fans? Would you be trusted to not vandalise it? You've spent 550 pages saying how much you dislike the club, so that'll probably have some bearing when it comes to the decision. I've seen the odd fan at our place in a City shirt, they had no issues. Also had fans there in Liverpool, Everton shirts as well. Never any issues.

Pretty simple why attendances have dropped. Novelty wears off for some people, relegation from NLN, stagnation in the NPL, people pass away. But actually our average attendances have remained the same now for the last 5 seasons at around 1700. Slightly down this season after a bad start and lack of faith in the previous manager, but in our two games under the new manager at home we're back to the average. Excluding a former EFL club in Macc, we're the best supported club in the NPL. You pretty much are looking at top end NL and L2 clubs to find a club who'd take 600 away on a Saturday like we did to Leek. Took 250 up to Hebburn twice in a month. Took 900 to Macc last season. Macc are another good example of this, they were in L2 playing in front of 1200-1500, now they play in front of 3,000 in the NPL. One reason is they're winning every week, another is it's new, and there's a buzz under the new ownership and investments that the 2 Rob's have attratced, but once they find their level in the next year or two their attendances will drop, even though they'll be in a higher league.

The Council are on our finances forensically. If it was a tax dodging exercise don't you think you'd know about it already.

But tax dodging isn’t illegal though, is it? After all Big Red’s new part owner is a tax dodger.
It’s funny though, how tax dodgers seem to think public money should support their businesses!
Or rather it isn’t funny……

You missed my point at the top of your reply.
Of course fans can complain and protest and leave and form a new club. That wasn’t what I was saying. My point was fans of AFC Wimbledon, Bury and Macc had no choice but to form their own club and seeing as their club no longer existed, it wasn’t unreasonable for them to carry on with similar colours and crest etc. where as Big Red as a club still existed and trading efficiently but just not to your liking.
So sure, go ahead and form a new club but go it alone and stand alone rather than creating a Mini Me prototype whilst claiming some kind of moral victory to anyone who would listen (and sadly too many in the media were too keen to listen yet went missing when the shit hit the fan - or the fans! - and the original board members were sussed out.)

You ask why we don’t talk about AFC Liverpool on here. I may be wrong but I’ve never seen any member of AFC Liverpool on Granada Reports or BBC North West, or being written about in masturbatory fashion by the likes of David Conn every other week in the Guardian or a whole chapter in his book. Why is that? Maybe they aren’t attention seekers? Maybe the just want to get on and run a non league football club without trying to save the world and prove some kind of political point?

 

[Blue Mist]

Thanks for the reply.

So a few points to pick up on, firstly AFC Wimbledon, Macc and Bury had their clubs taken from them. They were deliberately run down by their owners. Last time I checked “Big Red” won the league a few times and even the Champions League since FCUM started up and this is why very few fans outside of your circle take you seriously because your original club still exists, still wins trophies and plays at the same stadium. You just spat your dummies out because you didn’t like the owner. The fact that your club considers its birth in the same vein as Wimbledon, Bury, Macc etc is what most fans find puzzling and laughable.
AFC Liverpool do not come under our radar because they haven’t (to my knowledge) borrowed £1m plus from Manchester city council, while other public services are being closed due to a lack of funding and nor did they rip the heart out of a once thriving junior football club in north Manchester (and in doing so swallow up £750K of their funding) and build a stadium on a land gifted to the people of Manchester for leisure use.

Please tell me, under the ownership of the Edwards’ dynasty, what control of the club did fans have? Martin Edwards may have listened to IMUSA or MUST but he pretty much did what he wanted to do, as did his father. Granted fan power stopped the Sky takeover but maybe in turn that enabled the club to be flogged to the Glazer family! Be careful what you wish for lol.

OK so your club hasn’t said City fans are not welcome but the club is not welcoming to City fans. If I turned up at an Abbey Hey game or down at Bower Fold in a City shirt I doubt anyone would bat an eyelid. Could I say the same thing if I rocked up at Pallet Park?
Would you rent out the stadium to a company that said we are putting an event on but it’s a male only event, or dare I say, a whites only event? Now in no way am I comparing banning City fans to banning people based on the colour of their skin, and to be honest I don’t even know why the point of it being a red only event was made as no self respecting Blue would have gone there to watch the game, but by allowing the event to be held there (and good luck with it, I’m sure it was a nice little earner for you) it once more puts into the minds of City fans that this little part of north Manchester isn’t for them.
Or let me ask this, if Manchester City supporters club asked FCUM if they could hire the stadium to show City’s champions league final on the pitch on a large screen, replacing your "making friends not millionaires" etc banners so City banners could go up, would the board or members vote for approval of that request?

Another point to make is your claim that new and younger fans (and students) are turning up these days. And at the same time gates are dwindling. So why have the original fan base been leaving in droves? It would seem that you have lost 2000 fans from when the stadium has opened. Why do you think that has happened?

Finally, you avoided the question about the “suggested donation” on top of the season ticket price as being a tax dodging exercise…..

'Thanks for the reply'

FFS, I refer you to my previous post, you are far too nice.

 

[Andy TheCatalyst Morrison]

Also, you're criticising fans for leaving a team that was winning, turning their back on that and going to watch the NW Counties?

Calling Bullshit on that. All of the FCUM fans that I know all still support the rags to a greater or lesser extent. They haven’t “left” anything, they just want the best of both worlds.

 

[Vienna_70]

Another way of looking at FCUM is like 4 members of a successful band splitting up. Let's call them The Stretford Enders.

The bass player (who neither wrote or sang the songs) wants to remain in the music business but the other three can't be bothered anymore.

So the bass guitarist gets a group of fellow musicians around him and the new members talk about writing their own material, but the bass player doesn't want the hassle of writing and learning new songs and starting out at the bottom and working their way up again. Instead, he wants to go straight out on tour performing all the hits (with him on vocals) The Stretford Enders made, .calling themselves The New Stretford Enders.

The other three members object and loyal fans object but out on tour they go and on average 5000 turn up at gigs across the country. Over time the band members want to write new material but the bass player asks why? The punters only want to hear the classics and are turning up in their 1000's.

One by one the band members leave but to be replaced by others. By now they are still pulling in 4000 a gig but that slowly drops to 3000. The novelty is wearing off and the band head for the festival circuit. They get a decent reception but by now even the bass player knows no one has turned up to specifically see them and that he's flogged the band to death as crowds at their own gigs are dwindling further.

With no material or an identity of their own the band is never going to attract a new crowd but simply relying on the good will of those original loyal fans trying to cling to their youth of when the original band were a force.....

There is only so many times even the loyalist of fans will pay.to watch a tribute band - but in order to make it pay the band need to be touring more and it reaches saturation point and the gigs are becoming a loss maker.
The bass player becomes bankrupt.....

Great analogy.

 

[Vienna_70]

Well if they/you don't want to be associated with the big rags and are all for amateur football why do you/ they sing anti City songs.
Why do you/they sing rag songs...
Now the rags have got a new manager and if they start winning games how many of your fans will fuck off back to the swamp?
Hope they go fucking bust.

Both of them.

 

[bakerdave76]

M40 ,are you from Manchester??

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

'Thanks for the reply'

FFS, I refer you to my previous post, you are far too nice.

Fuck off again lol

 

[Vienna_70]

Fuck off again lol

And then, when he arrives there, fuck off once more.