He delivered great success for his team but he also delivered an arrogance and blindness regarding City that was the catalyst for their current plight: his words carried weight - in his own club and throughout football - and refusing to acknowledge that City would ever be a threat led to a malaise that allowed us to steal a march; it has never since abated.
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Ferguson - Loud Mouthed Bully
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Eccles Blue
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*lol* nooo I just detest that piece of Scottish dirt, I’m afraid.Had an extra strong espresso this morning EB ? ;-)
Eccles Blue
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Never feel like that. It means I can agree with people without having to type/use the words. :-)You’re the only poster that I ever feel a slight twinge of guilt when I deploy that word. Only slight, mind...
gordondaviesmoustache
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I’m not sure that’s completely correct. After the takeover, he did acknowledge that the Derbies would take on greater importance. So, he probably saw us as a threat, which probably caused him to go when he did, but his arrogance meant he assumed that united would always be at the top to be challenged, and tbf to him, very few people could have (and did) predict the extent of their demise.He delivered great success for his team but he also delivered an arrogance and blindness regarding City that was the catalyst for their current plight: his words carried weight - in his own club and throughout football - and refusing to acknowledge that City would ever be a threat led to a malaise that allowed us to steal a march that has never since abated.
I think the success of their commercial operation, which dwarfed everyone else, meant that we were all blinded to the structural and personnel issues in the footballing side of the club. I think most of us assumed that their financial firepower would always enable them to buy their way out of trouble.
The fact they have fallen so far, despite that huge commercial advantage, shows just how much they have fucked things up. They are now struggling to attract ‘mercenaries’ in a way we never did when we hadn’t won a trophy for 30-odd years, which is actually astonishing. Good players simply don’t want to play for them, because they feel it will harm theur careers, which the clear evidence suggests it will.
Their fans love to talk about our ‘cheat mode’ but theirs doesn’t have appeared to worked out very well for them. Imagine having such an advantage over other clubs and still fucking it up? It takes a really special effort to achieve that.
By way of their own arrogance and vanity, they have completely fucked things up. Let’s hope we don’t make the same conceited, hubristic mistakes.
He's entirely responsible from what I can see, if it wasn't for his horse jizz dispute with the the previous majority shareholders then the Glazers wouldn't have had the opportunity to take over.We have something to thank him for.
Yes, he put us through misery for 25 years while winning everything ... but he also ran Utd down toward the end, didn't prepare any kind of succession, recommended Moyes, got irrationally bitter toward City during our resurgence, hangs around in the background scowling at successive managers' failings, etc.
Through his ego & arrogance, he's partly responsible for where Utd find themselves now.
Plus as you say, he ran the squad down in his final few years and left a terrible legacy and huge rebuilding job for his successor(s) and he still constantly hangs around the place to this day undermining the authority and credibility of the current managers.
gordondaviesmoustache
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His greed and arrogance over RoG were ultimately United’s real undoing. Like he ever had the firepower to take on those two, on their own turf too. Horrific miscalculation. They completely outmanoeuvred him and set in motion a chain of events that has destroyed pretty much everything he worked so industriously to create.He's entirely responsible from what I can see, if it wasn't for his horse jizz dispute with the the previous majority shareholders then the Glazers wouldn't have had the opportunity to take over.
Plus as you say, he ran the squad down in his final few years and left a terrible legacy and huge rebuilding job for his successor(s) and he still constantly hangs around the place to this day undermining the authority and credibility of the current managers.
It must absolutely destroy the ****.
Yes.I’m not sure that’s completely correct. After the takeover, he did acknowledge that the Derbies would take on greater importance. So, he probably saw us as a threat, which probably caused him to go when he did, but his arrogance meant he assumed that united would always be at the top to be challenged, and tbf to him, very few people could have (and did) predict the extent of their demise.
I think the success of their commercial operation, which dwarfed everyone else, meant that we were all blinded to the structural and personnel issues in the footballing side of the club. I think most of us assumed that their financial firepower would always enable them to buy their way out of trouble.
The fact they have fallen so far, despite that huge commercial advantage, shows just how much they have fucked things up. They are now struggling to attract ‘mercenaries’ in a way we never did when we hadn’t won a trophy for 30-odd years, which is actually astonishing. Good players simply don’t want to play for them, because they feel it will harm theur careers, which the clear evidence suggests it will.
Their fans love to talk about our ‘cheat mode’ but theirs doesn’t have appeared to worked out very well for them. Imagine having such an advantage over other clubs and still fucking it up? It takes a really special effort to achieve that.
By way of their own arrogance and vanity, they have completely fucked things up. Let’s hope we don’t make the same conceited, hubristic mistakes.
It was the arrogance of his belief that United would always be number one. No business can assume that their status will always be as it was, regardless of new competitors, or shifts in the global market, and while they continued to focus on their brand and commercial operation, propping it up with big name football signings, their sporting model began to fail.
Sporting success is the key commercial driver, in the long term, and young people (with no Manchester affinity) have no current reason to make United their choice, and neither do top players.
meeesh
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Irrelevant ****,the only thing he's ever said that makes us all smile is the not in my lifetime jibe,that's the legacy he will hold in Manchester till the day he's gone.
gordondaviesmoustache
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I was seeing a girl at Christmas from Coventry way, who had a lovely eleven year old lad, really good young footballer, and a united fan. I actually felt really sorry for him, that he’d made such a terrible choice so young in life, because I can’t see him enjoying it very much for many years.Sporting success is the key commercial driver, in the long term, and young people (with no Manchester affinity) have no current reason to make United their choice, and neither do top players.
Tugay One Cup
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I feel incredibly nauseous every time some dickhead says his full name with "Sir" at the beginning.
Get a fucking grip.
Get a fucking grip.