Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

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Wio Gumflapdinand said:
Well for me he hasn't spent wisely with what he's been entrusted with so far, must be near £200,000,000 so far and arguably not one solid core player out of it....at least with the money the red shite blew they got a player of Di Maria's calibre.
Yeah. He destroyed us on Sunday. Worth every penny on that showing.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Wio Gumflapdinand said:
Well for me he hasn't spent wisely with what he's been entrusted with so far, must be near £200,000,000 so far and arguably not one solid core player out of it....at least with the money the red shite blew they got a player of Di Maria's calibre.
Yeah. He destroyed us on Sunday. Worth every penny on that showing.

More a £40m player than a £60m one but if you put him in our side he'd perform.
He's wasting his time at the swamp.
 
Could someone clear this up for me, I notice a fair few posts recently regarding Hazard, Sinclair, Garcia and that these buys/missed opportunities where FS&TBs fault.

This is revisionist history and completely false correct? I remember missing Hazard and the spunking money on Sinclair was the last power struggle/mad scramble/cock up of Mancini vs Marwood before they came in.

If anyone could give me further information as I keep seeing people shouting off about them 'wasting £200million' and well, they ain't.
 
Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

Next summer is where they need to prove themselves..big name players are needed ala silva, agueroand yaya....enough with buying 2nd tier players
 
Wio Gumflapdinand said:
blueparrot said:
Wio Gumflapdinand said:
Well done to him, good to know he's doing the job he's payed well enough for. As for the other lad...do you actually think the money he has spent has been good value? That's what I'm talking about, you know this but trying to be smart arse. Missed out on players that would have brought us to the next level yet threw money at plodders. I watch football not the financial times.

It annoys me when they are talked about as a pair who do the same job. They should be judged on their separate jobs. As for tkixi I don't think he can be judged for another couple of years when he can operate without FFP and when the the results of his main job which was to produce players from the academy are known, and looking at the EDS and U18 results he seems to be doing OK.
I do trust Khaldoun and the owner to act if they think somebody is failing.
Well for me he hasn't spent wisely with what he's been entrusted with so far, must be near £200,000,000 so far and arguably not one solid core player out of it....at least with the money the red shite blew they got a player of Di Maria's calibre. We have missed targets such as him, Hazard, Sanchez, Isco to name but a few because we wouldn't go the extra mile and ended up with stocking fillers instead

With the Negredo sale we've spent around 66m net since Txiki took over.

Navas 14m
Negredo 16m
Fernandinho 30m
Jovetic 22m
Demichelis 3.5m
Mangala 32m
Fernando 12m
Sagna 0m
Caballlero 4.4/6m
Zucullini 1.5m


Tevez 12m
Denis 1m
Rodwell 10/13m
Garcia 13m
Helan 0.4m
Barry 2m
Negredo 26m
Huws 2.5/3.25m
Pantillimon 0m
Lescott 0m
Bridge 0m
Kolo 0m
Santa Cruz 0m
Maicon 0m

He has also had to deal with FFP and the mess of wages etc. left behind from the Hughes 'era'. I think he has done well on the whole.

From now on tho we need to sprinkle a couple of Marque players on top of what we have, and hopefully replace a couple of the squad players with a youngster or 2
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Wio Gumflapdinand said:
Well for me he hasn't spent wisely with what he's been entrusted with so far, must be near £200,000,000 so far and arguably not one solid core player out of it....at least with the money the red shite blew they got a player of Di Maria's calibre.
Yeah. He destroyed us on Sunday. Worth every penny on that showing.

Cleverness aside, he's better than any player we have purchased since Aguero. Comfortably.
 
Instant_Offense said:
Prestwich_Blue said:
Wio Gumflapdinand said:
Well for me he hasn't spent wisely with what he's been entrusted with so far, must be near £200,000,000 so far and arguably not one solid core player out of it....at least with the money the red shite blew they got a player of Di Maria's calibre.
Yeah. He destroyed us on Sunday. Worth every penny on that showing.

Cleverness aside, he's better than any player we have purchased since Aguero. Comfortably.

I'd rather have MDM at CB than him tbh
 
Silva_Spell said:
Wio Gumflapdinand said:
blueparrot said:
It annoys me when they are talked about as a pair who do the same job. They should be judged on their separate jobs. As for tkixi I don't think he can be judged for another couple of years when he can operate without FFP and when the the results of his main job which was to produce players from the academy are known, and looking at the EDS and U18 results he seems to be doing OK.
I do trust Khaldoun and the owner to act if they think somebody is failing.
Well for me he hasn't spent wisely with what he's been entrusted with so far, must be near £200,000,000 so far and arguably not one solid core player out of it....at least with the money the red shite blew they got a player of Di Maria's calibre. We have missed targets such as him, Hazard, Sanchez, Isco to name but a few because we wouldn't go the extra mile and ended up with stocking fillers instead

With the Negredo sale we've spent around 66m net since Txiki took over.

Navas 14m
Negredo 16m
Fernandinho 30m
Jovetic 22m
Demichelis 3.5m
Mangala 32m
Fernando 12m
Sagna 0m
Caballlero 4.4/6m
Zucullini 1.5m


Tevez 12m
Denis 1m
Rodwell 10/13m
Garcia 13m
Helan 0.4m
Barry 2m
Negredo 26m
Huws 2.5/3.25m
Pantillimon 0m
Lescott 0m
Bridge 0m
Kolo 0m
Santa Cruz 0m
Maicon 0m

He has also had to deal with FFP and the mess of wages etc. left behind from the Hughes 'era'. I think he has done well on the whole.

From now on tho we need to sprinkle a couple of Marque players on top of what we have, and hopefully replace a couple of the squad players with a youngster or 2

Can't see Balotelli on that list, you can add another £19m to that calculation.

Adam Johnson? £10m?
 
bitsmith said:
Well, Negredo gave us 25 goals in a season and we made few bucks on him. That one is not bad I think.

Navas is giving us exactly what we paid for, you won't get better player for 15 mil. eur than him that easy.

Fernandinho is quality, he'll come back I hope, it's post WC season and he was never same after that German battering and injury he had in the second half of last season.
This.
 
TGR said:
BigOscar said:
Far, far worse squads than us are doing far better in europe, so it's clearly not these guys fault. Always easier to blame the people who you can't see what they do, but the reality is that it's the manager and players who are responsible. The players we have are playing well below their level, which is nothing to do with Txiki or Soriano. (unless they are forcing Pellers to play this retarded 2 man midfield, which seems unlikely)

I'm not so sure anymore. The DoF decides the way we play and the manager's job is to implements that. No?
No.
 
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