Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

[Anonymous]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

And anyone who believes now, after all that happened last season, all that went on behind the scenes and all that has come out since May, that Mancini didn't deserve to be sacked, is not living in the real world and has no idea about the sport of football.

A comment that really has no place in a reasonable discussion.

Nothing but rumour and counter rumour has come out of the club regarding what did and did not not go on behind the scenes. To take such an absolute, unequivocal position on the basis of that is a bit daft really.

Since you mention all that happened last season: Isn't it reasonable to consider that the super duo of Soriano and Txiki deciding to speak to Pellegrini half way through said season was just a tad destabilizing?

Then there's the transfer business fiasco of last summer's window.

The way I see it, the super duo didn't like Mancini from the get go and probably engineered his departure. So their judgement is on trial now as Pellegrini is indisputably their man and they've facilitated major signings in support of him.

Just to add that last time I checked professional football was about winning. Something we did a lot of when Mancini had the backing of the Board.

We also played some very good football most of the time.

Then ask yourself why Khaldoon and Mansour felt the need to a) employ a DoF and b) allow said DoF to sack a fans favourite manager who'd won the league 12 months previous.

The unpalatable truth is Mancini was done regardless of who was the CEO or DoF because nobody at the club wanted to work with him anymore.

 

[goalmole]

It was me, although that's certainly not exactly what i said. And if Pellegrini is a failure then it's an opinion I will reiterate.

But to start calling him a failure so early into the job and with the circumstances as they are is, of course, the real idiocy.

And anyone who believes now, after all that happened last season, all that went on behind the scenes and all that has come out since May, that Mancini didn't deserve to be sacked, is not living in the real world and has no idea about the sport of football.

Even if Pellegrini fails, and of course he might, then that doesn't mean sacking Mancini was wrong. It means we appointed the wrong replacement.

I don't think anyone is suggesting Pellegrini should be sacked after three games, but the early signs aren't great. If the two amigos had the chance to appoint Mourinho, but choose to appoint Pellegrini instead, then that's a decision which could haunt us for years to come and one which they should be held accountable for if Pellegrini fails.

Mourinho would have been a great appointment in the short term. He would have come in, done things his way, won a few titles but left us in a mess when he left. We are trying to put down the blueprint for the future and I expect our future managers to all have a similar footballing approach to Pellers.

Barcelona are a good example of a team who chooses their manager based on their footballing principles. You would never see Barca appoint an anti-football coach. Guardiola, Tito and Martino all seem to have a similar approach to football and by appointing similar managers it keep the stability at the club despite managerial change. A team who does this very well and it doesn't get recognised is Swansea. They have changed their managers a number of times from Martinez, Souza, Rodgers to Laudrup but have kept their style of football. They have remained competitive and play cracking football.

I believe this is what we are trying to emulate. It's Pellegrini's job to keep us competitive while changing the philosophy of our team. We were never going to dominate the league from the word go like some fans expected. Pellegrini has a huge task on his hands to get us playing his style of football and it will take time. The main thing is we pick up enough points to stay in the title race because when we do click under Pellers we will be unstoppable.

This post is far too rational, moderate and optimistic for Bluemoon. There'll be some on here doubting you're a proper City fan at all.

 

[mammutly]

A comment that really has no place in a reasonable discussion.

Nothing but rumour and counter rumour has come out of the club regarding what did and did not not go on behind the scenes. To take such an absolute, unequivocal position on the basis of that is a bit daft really.

Since you mention all that happened last season: Isn't it reasonable to consider that the super duo of Soriano and Txiki deciding to speak to Pellegrini half way through said season was just a tad destabilizing?

Then there's the transfer business fiasco of last summer's window.

The way I see it, the super duo didn't like Mancini from the get go and probably engineered his departure. So their judgement is on trial now as Pellegrini is indisputably their man and they've facilitated major signings in support of him.

Just to add that last time I checked professional football was about winning. Something we did a lot of when Mancini had the backing of the Board.

We also played some very good football most of the time.

Then ask yourself why Khaldoon and Mansour felt the need to a) employ a DoF and b) allow said DoF to sack a fans favourite manager who'd won the league 12 months previous.

The unpalatable truth is Mancini was done regardless of who was the CEO or DoF because nobody at the club wanted to work with him anymore.

More Likely by far is that Garrrrry Cook's departure left a vacant position at the club

 

[CITYBOY1000]

And anyone who believes now, after all that happened last season, all that went on behind the scenes and all that has come out since May, that Mancini didn't deserve to be sacked, is not living in the real world and has no idea about the sport of football.

A comment that really has no place in a reasonable discussion.

Nothing but rumour and counter rumour has come out of the club regarding what did and did not not go on behind the scenes. To take such an absolute, unequivocal position on the basis of that is a bit daft really.

Since you mention all that happened last season: Isn't it reasonable to consider that the super duo of Soriano and Txiki deciding to speak to Pellegrini half way through said season was just a tad destabilizing?

Then there's the transfer business fiasco of last summer's window.

The way I see it, the super duo didn't like Mancini from the get go and probably engineered his departure. So their judgement is on trial now as Pellegrini is indisputably their man and they've facilitated major signings in support of him.

We don't know what happened. What we do know is that Mancio regarded Soriano as no better than cabin crew for Spanair. This is hardly likely to have endeared him to the new team and probably prompted his exit. We don't know but this might have been a factor in the Summer transfer fiasco of 2012/23. It maybe the case that although they weren't officially in their roles at that time that they had Mancio's card marked. Again, all conjecture.

Without a doubt, anyone who engineers Mancio's replacement is on trial. We are all under scrutiny and no doubt Soriano and Txiki have to justify their £100.00 per week wages.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Just to add that last time I checked professional football was about winning. Something we did a lot of when Mancini had the backing of the Board.

We also played some very good football most of the time.

Then ask yourself why Khaldoon and Mansour felt the need to a) employ a DoF and b) allow said DoF to sack a fans favourite manager who'd won the league 12 months previous.

The unpalatable truth is Mancini was done regardless of who was the CEO or DoF because nobody at the club wanted to work with him anymore.

More Likely by far is that Garrrrry Cook's departure left a vacant position at the club

And khaldoon never wanted to sack him
But in the end had no choice with the events that happened.

 

[Anonymous]

More Likely by far is that Garrrrry Cook's departure left a vacant position at the club

Which was filled by Ferran. I was talking specifically about employing a DoF then within 12 months allowing said DoF to sack the manager.

Like Dave said earlier, if Pellegrini isn't a success it won't mean sacking Mancini wasn't the right thing to do. Mancini had to go because his relationship with everyone from his captain to the club's pr people had completely broken down. He was an isolated figure who was doing damage to the club from the inside by publicly slagging off anyone he felt like in the press.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

A comment that really has no place in a reasonable discussion.

Nothing but rumour and counter rumour has come out of the club regarding what did and did not not go on behind the scenes. To take such an absolute, unequivocal position on the basis of that is a bit daft really.

Since you mention all that happened last season: Isn't it reasonable to consider that the super duo of Soriano and Txiki deciding to speak to Pellegrini half way through said season was just a tad destabilizing?

Then there's the transfer business fiasco of last summer's window.

The way I see it, the super duo didn't like Mancini from the get go and probably engineered his departure. So their judgement is on trial now as Pellegrini is indisputably their man and they've facilitated major signings in support of him.

Just to add that last time I checked professional football was about winning. Something we did a lot of when Mancini had the backing of the Board.

We also played some very good football most of the time.

Then ask yourself why Khaldoon and Mansour felt the need to a) employ a DoF and b) allow said DoF to sack a fans favourite manager who'd won the league 12 months previous.

The unpalatable truth is Mancini was done regardless of who was the CEO or DoF because nobody at the club wanted to work with him anymore.

Txiki was brought in to improve on the poor summer recruitment of players and to help to address the shortage of players progressing to the first team squad in the longer term.

The reason Mancini 's sacking was inevitable was because Ferran a d Txiki wanted their own man. It happens in most organisations when there is a new broom in charge.

 

[toffee balls]

Taken a turn for the worse has this here thread.

"Bickering is us "

Bit sad really as we had some reasonable debate going.

Guess that is what happens when we have no City fix during an early season international break.

Hoh hum

 

[Tim of the Oak]

More Likely by far is that Garrrrry Cook's departure left a vacant position at the club

Which was filled by Ferran. I was talking specifically about employing a DoF then within 12 months allowing said DoF to sack the manager.

Like Dave said earlier, if Pellegrini isn't a success it won't mean sacking Mancini wasn't the right thing to do. Mancini had to go because his relationship with everyone from his captain to the club's pr people had completely broken down. He was an isolated figure who was doing damage to the club from the inside by publicly slagging off anyone he felt like in the press.

We could bring back Phil Neal if it was just about getting on with people.

The change was inevitable for the management's reasons and now I am behind Pellegrini and want him to bring in the trophies.

 

[TGR]

More Likely by far is that Garrrrry Cook's departure left a vacant position at the club

Which was filled by Ferran. I was talking specifically about employing a DoF then within 12 months allowing said DoF to sack the manager.

Like Dave said earlier, if Pellegrini isn't a success it won't mean sacking Mancini wasn't the right thing to do. Mancini had to go because his relationship with everyone from his captain to the club's pr people had completely broken down. He was an isolated figure who was doing damage to the club from the inside by publicly slagging off anyone he felt like in the press.