Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

[Brendan110_0]

Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain - how long do we give them to cock up all the good work? Do we wait for Swales size disaster? Just my opinion, if they were good at their job why aren't they still at Barca?

 

[CITYBOY1000]

Just to add that last time I checked professional football was about winning. Something we did a lot of when Mancini had the backing of the Board.

We also played some very good football most of the time.

Then ask yourself why Khaldoon and Mansour felt the need to a) employ a DoF and b) allow said DoF to sack a fans favourite manager who'd won the league 12 months previous.

The unpalatable truth is Mancini was done regardless of who was the CEO or DoF because nobody at the club wanted to work with him anymore.

Txiki was brought in to improve on the poor summer recruitment of players and to help to address the shortage of players progressing to the first team squad in the longer term.

The reason Mancini 's sacking was inevitable was because Ferran a d Txiki wanted their own man. It happens in most organisations when there is a new broom in charge.

Hairy muff Tim,

But also remember that Sticky and Soriano were in the pipeline the year before and would have communicated with Mancio. He would have been introduced to Mancio in late 2012/13 and Manco had just enough time to ask for some socks, an extra blanket and a vegetarian meal.

 

[bluemoon32]

Hopefully they'll preside over a club winning trophies as that's the only thing that matters really.

 

[Anonymous]

The reason Mancini 's sacking was inevitable was because Ferran a d Txiki wanted their own man. It happens in most organisations when there is a new broom in charge.

The flaws in that logic are Sheikh Mansour and Khaldoun. Both men will have City's best interests at heart and neither IMO is going to acquiesce to a decision like removing a manager if they think it's not in the club's best interests.

 

[Sky Blue]

Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain - how long do we give them to cock up all the good work? Do we wait for Swales size disaster? Just my opinion, if they were good at their job why aren't they still at Barca?

PMSL - talk about dramatic. I was a Mancini inner as well.

 

[mammutly]

More Likely by far is that Garrrrry Cook's departure left a vacant position at the club

Which was filled by Ferran. I was talking specifically about employing a DoF then within 12 months allowing said DoF to sack the manager.

Like Dave said earlier, if Pellegrini isn't a success it won't mean sacking Mancini wasn't the right thing to do. Mancini had to go because his relationship with everyone from his captain to the club's pr people had completely broken down. He was an isolated figure who was doing damage to the club from the inside by publicly slagging off anyone he felt like in the press.

Patently not so. Was he isolated with David Platt?

New exec team wanted new manager. You don't have to assume and exaggerate reasons beyond that.

If Pellegrini is not a success i.e if he is not an improvement on Mancini, then sacking Mancini was the wrong thing to do. You can talk all you like about politics and who supposedly said what to who when,when he said she said he didn't. That's all personality stuff that a top rate chief exec should be able to resolve. I believe football is all about results and style comes with winning matches, and, in a competitive business, harmony comes with success.

I remember Hughes and Cook with their trajectory bollocks, graphs included. It takes more than vision and spin to win away at Stoke and to beat the rags at home and really, that type of thing is all I'm interested in. Winning matches is what it's all about and it does concern me that Soriano & Txiki might not get that.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

More Likely by far is that Garrrrry Cook's departure left a vacant position at the club

Which was filled by Ferran. I was talking specifically about employing a DoF then within 12 months allowing said DoF to sack the manager.

Like Dave said earlier, if Pellegrini isn't a success it won't mean sacking Mancini wasn't the right thing to do. Mancini had to go because his relationship with everyone from his captain to the club's pr people had completely broken down. He was an isolated figure who was doing damage to the club from the inside by publicly slagging off anyone he felt like in the press.

Patently not so. Was he isolated with David Platt?

New exec team wanted new manager. You don't have to assume and exaggerate reasons beyond that.

If Pellegrini is not a success i.e if he is not an improvement on Mancini, then sacking Mancini was the wrong thing to do. You can talk all you like about politics and who supposedly said what to who when,when he said she said he didn't. That's all personality stuff that a top rate chief exec should be able to resolve. I believe football is all about results and style comes with winning matches, and, in a competitive business, harmony comes with success.

I remember Hughes and Cook with their trajectory bollocks, graphs included. It takes more than vision and spin to win away at Stoke and to beat the rags at home and really, that type of thing is all I'm interested in. Winning matches is what it's all about and it does concern me that Soriano & Txiki might not get that.

Apart from helping lead Barca to their most successful period in their history winning numerous trophies, yeah they might not get it...

 

[CITYBOY1000]

More Likely by far is that Garrrrry Cook's departure left a vacant position at the club

Which was filled by Ferran. I was talking specifically about employing a DoF then within 12 months allowing said DoF to sack the manager.

Like Dave said earlier, if Pellegrini isn't a success it won't mean sacking Mancini wasn't the right thing to do. Mancini had to go because his relationship with everyone from his captain to the club's pr people had completely broken down. He was an isolated figure who was doing damage to the club from the inside by publicly slagging off anyone he felt like in the press.

Patently not so. Was he isolated with David Platt?

New exec team wanted new manager. You don't have to assume and exaggerate reasons beyond that.

If Pellegrini is not a success i.e if he is not an improvement on Mancini, then sacking Mancini was the wrong thing to do. You can talk all you like about politics and who supposedly said what to who when,when he said she said he didn't. That's all personality stuff that a top rate chief exec should be able to resolve. I believe football is all about results and style comes with winning matches, and, in a competitive business, harmony comes with success.

I remember Hughes and Cook with their trajectory bollocks, graphs included. It takes more than vision and spin to win away at Stoke and to beat the rags at home and really, that type of thing is all I'm interested in. Winning matches is what it's all about and it does concern me that Soriano & Txiki might not get that.

That was going to be my next post on the subject. Thanks for that mammutly. All that matters is what happens on the pitch, not who can walk the angles, talk the talk and who can schmooze with the best.

Goals win games, win prizes means right choices.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I'd disagree that it's all about what happens in the pitch. That's certainly a large part of it but there are other things that will grow us as a club. We've already got a better wage structure in place, which is another part. But it will be at least 5 years before we start to see the real fruits of their labour, with youth team players who understand the club style hopefully starting to come through.

 

[mammutly]

I'd disagree that it's all about what happens in the pitch. That's certainly a large part of it but there are other things that will grow us as a club. We've already got a better wage structure in place, which is another part. But it will be at least 5 years before we start to see the real fruits of their labour, with youth team players who understand the club style hopefully starting to come through.

Historically, City always had a good youth team set up. For some reason, the manager was removed. Jim probably lacked vision or something.

It's more simple for me, Colin. Results on the pitch are the product of everything else that goes on. It follows that the value of everything else should be measured by the extent to which it contributes to results on the pitch.