Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

[blueparrot]

In all honesty Billy - I hope to have egg on my face come May - I will apologise gladly. But I can only go on what I've witnessed first hand so far - it's ok - not hurrendous - but not the improvemnt I was expecting.

Fair enough ... I've no problem with that at all. I know plenty of people who are currently unsure about Pellegrini ... it's natural with a new manager who people don't know a lot about, especially when he's replaced such a popular one.

But the discussions in this thread this morning, and I use the term discussion very loosely, was nothing more than a series of conspiracy theories about how Mancini was terribly hard done by by Txiki and Ferran and how they conspired to make his life difficult, conspired to fuck up last season, all with the sole aim of being able to sack him at the end of it all. It's hard not to sneer at stupidity like that, not least because of the enormous disservice it does our owners.

Billy,

You've touched on it earlier and it applies to this thread and other but the sheer lack of knowledge shown by supporters about subjects that they then go and spout off about is scary. I don't know if it is because people are stupid or lazy but it is scary because you get the blind leading the blind on here.

This is very true I don't think people realise what their jobs are Soriano actually has very little to do with team performance, other than appointing Txiki, his job is the overall running of the club increasing revenues and the development of the campus. Txiki is more responsible for the 1st team but again he will be judged on the overall playing side and how the youth teams develop, not on a few defeats in away games.
Between them along with Khaldoun and Sheikh Mansour they will make a judgement on the manager like they always do at the end of the season certainly not after 16 games most of which have gone well.
I always supported Mancini last season and wasn't for replacing him but I always said I would support the club in it's decision because if you take the trouble to listen to the people running it and look at their background and ambition, also their achievements away from the playing side, you can't fail to be impressed.
I am very confident that over the next 5 years we will look back and be wondering what all the fuss was about.

 

[andrewmswift]

some disgraceful shit on here being bandied about city's current management team.

 

[gelly]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

I don't think they will deliver on the football side. People are talking like they I built Barcelona from scratch. When their philosophy has been from Cryuff days. Barcelona have continued to win with or without team. The biggest factor to success in the PL is management stability and authority. Alot of clubs have axed the DoF system.

 

[blueparrot]

I don't think they will deliver on the football side. People are talking like they I built Barcelona from scratch. When their philosophy has been from Cryuff days. Barcelona have continued to win with or without team. The biggest factor to success in the PL is management stability and authority. Alot of clubs have axed the DoF system.

Chelsea, Spurs Liverpool Southampton,Newcastle,West Brom and us thats 7 of the top 10 all use DOF. In fact it was being said at the start of the season the reason Rags and Arsenal were struggling in the transfer market was because they didn't.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

I don't think they will deliver on the football side. People are talking like they I built Barcelona from scratch. When their philosophy has been from Cryuff days. Barcelona have continued to win with or without team. The biggest factor to success in the PL is management stability and authority. Alot of clubs have axed the DoF system.

Well it's just a shame that the Sheikh didn't consult you before chucking his money away isn't it?

Are you of Italian extraction by any chance?

 

[LoveCity]

I don't think they will deliver on the football side. People are talking like they I built Barcelona from scratch. When their philosophy has been from Cryuff days. Barcelona have continued to win with or without team. The biggest factor to success in the PL is management stability and authority. Alot of clubs have axed the DoF system.

Which clubs? Because the following clubs have a DoF/sporting director or equivalent (someone with a heavy influence on player recruitment who doesn't coach the team) as far as I know:

- City (Txiki)
- Chelsea (Emenalo)
- Spurs (Baldini)
- Real Madrid (Zidane)
- Barcelona (Zubizarreta)
- Bayern Munich (Sammer)
- Borussia Dortmund (Zorc)
- Schalke (Heldt)
- Juventus (Marotta)
- Roma (Sabatini)
- Inter (Branca)
- PSG (currently vacant after Leonardo left, Maldini deciding whether to take the role)
- Monaco (Vasilyev)
- Ajax (Overmars)
- PSV (Brands)

It's the modern day model of Europe's top clubs. The "absolute power to manager" model is rare and many will say dated.

Look at United and Arsenal's attempts to sign players this summer. Arsenal did finally land Ozil, but they (and United) botched deal after deal beforehand with no sporting director in place.

 

[BobKowalski]

I don't think they will deliver on the football side. People are talking like they I built Barcelona from scratch. When their philosophy has been from Cryuff days. Barcelona have continued to win with or without team. The biggest factor to success in the PL is management stability and authority. Alot of clubs have axed the DoF system.

Well it's just a shame that the Sheikh didn't consult you before chucking his money away isn't it?

Are you of Italian extraction by any chance?

I disagree with the guy on the DoF question but why on earth do you ask if he is of Italian extraction?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Re: Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

I don't think they will deliver on the football side. People are talking like they I built Barcelona from scratch. When their philosophy has been from Cryuff days. Barcelona have continued to win with or without team. The biggest factor to success in the PL is management stability and authority. Alot of clubs have axed the DoF system.

Well it's just a shame that the Sheikh didn't consult you before chucking his money away isn't it?

Are you of Italian extraction by any chance?

I disagree with the guy on the DoF question but why on earth do you ask if he is of Italian extraction?

It was a bit tongue in cheek but I have a little inkling that he is the Mancini equivalent of the Dzeko fan boys.

What else should one think about someone who once started a thread telling us how wonderful Mancini's hair looked?

 

[BobKowalski]

Well it's just a shame that the Sheikh didn't consult you before chucking his money away isn't it?

Are you of Italian extraction by any chance?

I disagree with the guy on the DoF question but why on earth do you ask if he is of Italian extraction?

It was a bit tongue in cheek but I have a little inkling that he is the Mancini equivalent of the Dzeko fan boys.

What else should one think about someone who once started a thread telling us how wonderful Mancini's hair looked?

Well gay possibly...although in fairness Roberto did have cracking hair. Definitely appealing to the metrosexual that lurks within us all

 

[aguero93:20]

I disagree with the guy on the DoF question but why on earth do you ask if he is of Italian extraction?

It was a bit tongue in cheek but I have a little inkling that he is the Mancini equivalent of the Dzeko fan boys.

What else should one think about someone who once started a thread telling us how wonderful Mancini's hair looked?

Well gay possibly...although in fairness Roberto did have cracking hair. Definitely appealing to the metrosexual that lurks within us all

Fair bit grayer by the time he left though, should have been talking to his goalkeeper more.