black mamba said:C_T_I_D said:Thee first part of what feels like a rant to me as I type this, is an open and honest series of questions.
We are supporters, yes? Our desire is for Manchester City to do well and we back them to do so, or do we? I think it is becoming questionable. In a day and age where the media surround us like sharks waiting to strike and other fans abuse our players more than we possibly ever could, shouldn't we be rallying round the players in their time of need? I just don't understand it.
The second point I would like to make is that it is widely acknowledged accross the bluemoon messageboard that we get criticised left, right and centre for every action the club makes on the whole and as induviduals aswell. Why then do members proceed to make scathing insults on our OWN players and add fuel to the fire? Is unconstructive criticism support? I'd call it borderline abuse!
City fans are becoming everything I feared they would when we got all this money and inevitabely spent it on a superior standard of player that we've bought in. They're becoming complacement, spoilt and expecting immediate success. What they fail to notice is that we have not had consistency within staff for ages - boardroom, managerial and playing. How can they be expected to gain success when they are a bunch of induviduals rather than a collective team that have been playing together years?
THOUGHTS?
This forum , and other city forums , was always quite opinionated even BEFORE we took all this wealth on board ...... players get judged on their performances , nothing else ...... as you probably would in any job , personality clashes aside.
Some peoples view of a player may differ from others , but that's life .... and that what makes a forum , varied views ...... if a player drops form , or doesn't deserve to be in the side , then why shouldn't he get flak?
All the money does is increase peoples and players expectations ..... but why shouldn't it?
After all you'd expect a better performance from your car if you put in super unleaded rather than normal unleaded , wouldn't you?
BillyShears said:black mamba said:This forum , and other city forums , was always quite opinionated even BEFORE we took all this wealth on board ...... players get judged on their performances , nothing else ...... as you probably would in any job , personality clashes aside.
Some peoples view of a player may differ from others , but that's life .... and that what makes a forum , varied views ...... if a player drops form , or doesn't deserve to be in the side , then why shouldn't he get flak?
All the money does is increase peoples and players expectations ..... but why shouldn't it?
After all you'd expect a better performance from your car if you put in super unleaded rather than normal unleaded , wouldn't you?
Excellent post Mamba!
I think the general gist of both the OP and a few of the other nodding dogs on this site, is that because we're getting bashed in the press, we should only say good things here on Bluemoon. But it kind of defeats the purpose of Bluemoon if people aren't allowed to express their opinions honestly, whether they be positive or negative...
C_T_I_D said:Thee first part of what feels like a rant to me as I type this, is an open and honest series of questions.
We are supporters, yes? Our desire is for Manchester City to do well and we back them to do so, or do we? I think it is becoming questionable. In a day and age where the media surround us like sharks waiting to strike and other fans abuse our players more than we possibly ever could, shouldn't we be rallying round the players in their time of need? I just don't understand it.
The second point I would like to make is that it is widely acknowledged accross the bluemoon messageboard that we get criticised left, right and centre for every action the club makes on the whole and as induviduals aswell. Why then do members proceed to make scathing insults on our OWN players and add fuel to the fire? Is unconstructive criticism support? I'd call it borderline abuse!
City fans are becoming everything I feared they would when we got all this money and inevitabely spent it on a superior standard of player that we've bought in. They're becoming complacement, spoilt and expecting immediate success. What they fail to notice is that we have not had consistency within staff for ages - boardroom, managerial and playing. How can they be expected to gain success when they are a bunch of induviduals rather than a collective team that have been playing together years?
THOUGHTS?
gio's side step said:C_T_I_D said:Thee first part of what feels like a rant to me as I type this, is an open and honest series of questions.
We are supporters, yes? Our desire is for Manchester City to do well and we back them to do so, or do we? I think it is becoming questionable. In a day and age where the media surround us like sharks waiting to strike and other fans abuse our players more than we possibly ever could, shouldn't we be rallying round the players in their time of need? I just don't understand it.
The second point I would like to make is that it is widely acknowledged accross the bluemoon messageboard that we get criticised left, right and centre for every action the club makes on the whole and as induviduals aswell. Why then do members proceed to make scathing insults on our OWN players and add fuel to the fire? Is unconstructive criticism support? I'd call it borderline abuse!
City fans are becoming everything I feared they would when we got all this money and inevitabely spent it on a superior standard of player that we've bought in. They're becoming complacement, spoilt and expecting immediate success. What they fail to notice is that we have not had consistency within staff for ages - boardroom, managerial and playing. How can they be expected to gain success when they are a bunch of induviduals rather than a collective team that have been playing together years?
THOUGHTS?
Thoughts? Absolute shite. Mate, you need to understand the distinction between being a supporter at the game, getting behind the team no matter what, supporting them until the last second, backing the players and manager, and coming on here to discuss issues which all fans feel happy/unhappy about. I havent been on here as long as you, but I think this whole bashing fans who doesnt sing the 'all things at city are perfect' hymn daily is getting not only immature but insulting. I don't see this forum as some little 'lets wipe each others arses' game, lets all drool and salivate at all things City. It's the real world, even in a hyperreal environment like the internet. People have opinions. Thoughts. Passion. Anger. Disappointment. Concerns. Hopes. Fears. Whether that be about the tactical direction, players signed and transfered. What is just as divisive as the things you perceive, is arguing with fans who are more cautious about Mancini than others, who believe football is more than just results. We all want the same thing. Success. Some will want it no matter how it's achieved. Others will want it achieved in a certain way. Whether that be style, integrity, or whatever they deem appropriate.
I don't think fans who were consumed by the smell of piss on the kippax, who had their heart ripped out during the 90's decade are complacent, spoilt or expecting immediate success. We have earned the right to say whatever we want, whenever we want no matter how positive or negative it might be perceived by people who wish to use the site as a way of reaffirming their allegiance. Not all of us need to use the site for that reason. We don't need to prove ourselves as fans, by just uttering shite for the sake of being positive.
I take your point about it criticism from the outside. We are still here. Still together. We will be on Monday evening. Attendances are higher than ever. But remember, we shouldnt give a fck about what others think or say. I want to know what my fellow blues think, good and bad. Not what the press throw at us. I am adult enough to debate something on here with someone who passionately disagrees, than say, 'lets go for a beer' just because we support the same team, in order to prove our unity against the mafia.
mcfc2607 said:C_T_I_D said:Thee first part of what feels like a rant to me as I type this, is an open and honest series of questions.
We are supporters, yes? Our desire is for Manchester City to do well and we back them to do so, or do we? I think it is becoming questionable. In a day and age where the media surround us like sharks waiting to strike and other fans abuse our players more than we possibly ever could, shouldn't we be rallying round the players in their time of need? I just don't understand it.
The second point I would like to make is that it is widely acknowledged accross the bluemoon messageboard that we get criticised left, right and centre for every action the club makes on the whole and as induviduals aswell. Why then do members proceed to make scathing insults on our OWN players and add fuel to the fire? Is unconstructive criticism support? I'd call it borderline abuse!
City fans are becoming everything I feared they would when we got all this money and inevitabely spent it on a superior standard of player that we've bought in. They're becoming complacement, spoilt and expecting immediate success. What they fail to notice is that we have not had consistency within staff for ages - boardroom, managerial and playing. How can they be expected to gain success when they are a bunch of induviduals rather than a collective team that have been playing together years?
THOUGHTS?
because most fans on here that moan, have only been fans since the takeover.
black mamba said:SWP's back said:Best thing is to remember that Bluemoon is not an accurate reflection of the majority of views of ALL Man City fans. So take a lot of what you read with a pinch od salt.
Can't really agree with that 'SWP' .......
in my experience i've found the views of fans on Bluemoon to be pretty accurate with the views on other city forums , and beyond ........ certainly not ALL City fans as you point out , but probably the vast majority.
Garry.Cook said:gio's side step said:Thoughts? Absolute shite. Mate, you need to understand the distinction between being a supporter at the game, getting behind the team no matter what, supporting them until the last second, backing the players and manager, and coming on here to discuss issues which all fans feel happy/unhappy about. I havent been on here as long as you, but I think this whole bashing fans who doesnt sing the 'all things at city are perfect' hymn daily is getting not only immature but insulting. I don't see this forum as some little 'lets wipe each others arses' game, lets all drool and salivate at all things City. It's the real world, even in a hyperreal environment like the internet. People have opinions. Thoughts. Passion. Anger. Disappointment. Concerns. Hopes. Fears. Whether that be about the tactical direction, players signed and transfered. What is just as divisive as the things you perceive, is arguing with fans who are more cautious about Mancini than others, who believe football is more than just results. We all want the same thing. Success. Some will want it no matter how it's achieved. Others will want it achieved in a certain way. Whether that be style, integrity, or whatever they deem appropriate.
I don't think fans who were consumed by the smell of piss on the kippax, who had their heart ripped out during the 90's decade are complacent, spoilt or expecting immediate success. We have earned the right to say whatever we want, whenever we want no matter how positive or negative it might be perceived by people who wish to use the site as a way of reaffirming their allegiance. Not all of us need to use the site for that reason. We don't need to prove ourselves as fans, by just uttering shite for the sake of being positive.
I take your point about it criticism from the outside. We are still here. Still together. We will be on Monday evening. Attendances are higher than ever. But remember, we shouldnt give a fck about what others think or say. I want to know what my fellow blues think, good and bad. Not what the press throw at us. I am adult enough to debate something on here with someone who passionately disagrees, than say, 'lets go for a beer' just because we support the same team, in order to prove our unity against the mafia.
I can see both sides of this argument for what they are. Like gio says, each fan has feelings after a game and that's exactly what these forums are for...fans to come together and discuss things to do with city. Some people will call others happy-clappers and some will be called rags but it's just how people react when there are others who disagree with them.
The qualm I have with the city-bashers on here is that City and, no doubt, the media, use forums like this one to gauge what the fans are saying. For years forums like this didnt exist and all the debates happened in the pub so, like it or not, all the media could see was how we supported the club at the match. Now though, this debate has moved to a place that is accessible by anyone.
Just the way the world is going I suppose and, being the centre of attention, they'll always find a way to have a dig at us.