Feyenoord (H) | CL | Post Match Thread

[Gordyola]

I don't think the subs were the problem as Feyenoord had offered almost nothing in the first 70 minutes. The defensive mistakes stuffed us.

Making the subs was clearly the issue as it destroyed the balance of the team The mistake were a consequence of the subs Before the subs 3:0 after the subs 3:3 simple evidence

 

[Gordyola]

I meant we conceded 3 goals in 15 minutes my bad.

Pep has made these types of substitutions on numerous occasions in the past when we are winning by a large scoreline, It's not noticed then as we were once a team that could see the game out with ease as we were the best at game management.

I understand your points of trying to get the players mojo back it's completely understandable, We've been complaining lately of fatigue and injuries and he made the changes because of which looking ahead to Sunday.

Those changes didn't make Gvardiol have a brain fart for the first two goals, That's what changed the game, Not the substitutes.

Pep has rarely made 3 subs and when he has the team has been on form which they plainly are not
The subs affecting the balance of the team resulted in more pressure from the opponents leading to the mistakes

 

[CC1]

To be fair I think most are in shock mainly because what you are calling a difficult period is really a complete collapse. We're experiencing an utterly embarrassing loss of all form. A manager who has mainly always had it go his way seems completely lost for answers and if anything is contributing to this debacle with all type of dubious decisions one would not expect from someone with his track record. For many this collapse (and that's what it is no matter what anyone chooses to call it)_was as unexpected as it's been shocking. The fact that there is no indication that the club they've known for the past decade plus will be returning any time soon has created a panic among many supporters.
Personally I think we're in big trouble in terms being a top club competing for big honors with zero assurances that we'll get back to that level any time soon if ever. I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic in recognizing we may be witnessing the end of an era. Again, all good things must come to an end but you can't necessarily blame our supporters for being in shock at the suddenness of this utterly shambolic collapse...JMO

That said anything derogatory anyone chooses to direct at me for giving my honest opinion will be a drop in the ocean compared to the pain I'm feeling watching this unfold. In the immortal words of Lord Tennyson "It's better to have dominated and lost then never to have dominated at all"...or something like that.

Yawnnnnnn

 

[Roachy]

I've watched it back twice today already so will give a 3rd viewing a swerve. Sometimes you have to take your medicine though. I couldn't fathom it out last night & still can't today.

I seriously couldn't tell wtf was going on as each of those 3 goals unfolded. Clanger, after clanger for all three.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

You remember that game? Were you by any chance the bloke that brought those tablets down from the mountain after talking to God in the form of a burning bush?

Haha, nooooooo! I was ten years old, or possibly nine, still in primary school, went to Maine Road on my own (those were the days!), two buses across Manchester, 'n I stood on the Kippax front row. And the only thing I could see after we had established a 3-1 lead was to see some ghostly figures taking three centre kicks inside the last ten minutes. City 3-4 Wolves! I've got previous that inures to the the kind of stuff most of the folk at the game last night witnessed for the first time!

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

You never change.

Here’s how you were towards Pep the season we won the treble.

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That’s fucking mental, that. Some serious medical attention needed for a few on here of late.

 

[indianablue]

Well you know fair well what losing is all about then or have you forgotten when we lost regularly?

Only too well mate, perhaps i've been spoilt by our successes but my demands on this team are greater given our successes and investment. I can handle defeats, i can handle fuck ups but to continue to make the same fuck ups time after time is either incompetence or sheer arrogance . Pep needs to find a plan B and mix things up a bit. Our defence needs to be drilled and trained and not fucked about with. If Pep can't do it then he needs to get in a defensive coach to do it for him.

 

[Jazzyblue]

Yeah, this is why I'm not hitting the panic button. We're always a bit this way around November in almost every season, the injury situation is just so, so much worse and it's exacerbating all the little problems Pep would usually solve. If we weren't creating chances/goals at all then I'd be more concerned, but quite often it's been the case recently where we're having loads of the ball and good chances, the ball's just not ending up in the net. The defence is fragile and fatigued for obvious reasons (we had two bloody kids in defence at the end last night) but Dias coming back will sort a lot of those problems out. A proper DM comes in at some point in January and we'll be reet.

I also think at the moment we're just getting really unlucky. We dominated the second half at Spurs in the cup and had at least two chances cleared off the line. We were unlucky not to nick a point at Bournemouth. We should have been out of sight against Brighton. We should have been ahead against Spurs by the time they scored to make it 1-0 and then just when we needed a bit of luck to start a comeback Haaland hit the bar. Last night against Feyenoord doesn't happen if Dias and Walker are on the pitch but they're currently coming back from injury and we're having to manage their fitness by persisting with a lad who's just turned 20 and needs a break (Lewis) and a bag of nerves who ordinarily we still wouldn't have heard of (Pusey).

Roll on January.

Sensible analysis. In Pep we trust no doubt, but the major problem Pep has to solve is that other teams have worked us out. Controlball is not working at the moment. Opposition sit deep, watch us pass it about without any of our players taking a gamble (instead always playing the extra pass), they wait for one of those passes to fail, then do us on the break. Even if their attack fails, we don't counter, we go back to trying to slow the game down again. It sounds daft to say it considering we put 3 past them last night, but until that pen we were actually quite wasteful in possession. With a less fatigued team, we would not be losing possession as often, so can afford to be less economical. But at the moment we're ragged out - by injury, fixture congestion, off-field pressures and long hard, victorious campaigns, so the precision needed for our possession based game isn't there, instead our style is just creating more and more room for mistakes and risk aversion. And the more mistakes we make, the more risk averse we appear, the more the fear factor around us fades.

 

[Ajm1985]

Pep has rarely made 3 subs and when he has the team has been on form which they plainly are not
The subs affecting the balance of the team resulted in more pressure from the opponents leading to the mistakes

You're right but what was that game a few years ago - Leicester at home? Pep made the garbage time subs (Philips, Gomez, Palmer) in the second half and ut felt like we were just hanging on.

 

[Keeper!]

I seriously couldn't tell wtf was going on as each of those 3 goals unfolded. Clanger, after clanger for all three.

Sunday league defending, fatigue, injury , lack of motivation, those players in our shirt should be shamed for that level of defending.