Feyenoord (H) | CL | Post Match Thread

waspish said:
will one win in the next 3 be enough to get top 24?
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could be enough to beat Brugge but that will be the lower end for the 9th - 24th spectrum meaning we are not seeded even in the playoff round and face someone just missed out on top8 ad finish 9-10-11-12th who realistically a much better side than whoever finishes 23rd or 24th unless big underperformance like PSG might scrape into the top24 but will not be above the 20th as it seems so far with 4 points after 5 games and yet to play City, Stuttgart, Salzburg for them.

at the very least we need to finish 9th to 16th so to be seeded (start away, finish home) and draw someone who is even shitter on the table. this whole new format is throwing couple bigger sides off like us , Real, PSG so far. all three may have to do the extra rounds to get to last 16 and its bit random who finishes where exactly at this point given how close multiple clubs to each other.

but 11-12 points deffo should be enough for the top24.
 
argyle said:
It was last season and the three seasons before that. It's not 10/20 years ago that people are referring to.

This team has done brilliantly and is having a dip this season. It happens.

What's shocking is people on here and elsewhere who seemingly can't deal with that and has turned on the team and the club at the first difficult period we've had in years.
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Well said mate, the players need support, they aren't robots.
 
argyle said:
It was last season and the three seasons before that. It's not 10/20 years ago that people are referring to.

This team has done brilliantly and is having a dip this season. It happens.

What's shocking is people on here and elsewhere who seemingly can't deal with that and has turned on the team and the club at the first difficult period we've had in years.
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It's not that pal...Most of us here have loved the club through thick..thin...thickish...very thin...good,....fkin amazing...in my case of 50 years going. But it's the strange lack of squad planning - i accept we needed to temper big purchases - but a better squad plan would have helped - eased out players 30 plus or close..Laporte, Mahrez style...but bring in young y=hungry players and overlap for a season or two... it looks a mess now really
 
AndyP68 said:
Same v Leicester on Boxing Day 21 and we nearly lost a 4-0 nil lead.

The year before the treble we blew a two goal cushion against Real in the semi in the dying minutes.
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Although we scored after a double substitution in that away match in Madrid.
 
Devastating last 20 minutes during devastating period.

But its all upwards from hear, cannot be otherwise. Calmly. I believe in retrospect, we will turn all the black days into a good joke.
 
I can understand Pep trusting his subs to see the game out, but once Ake was subbed and Gvardiol had a mad ten minutes, it was pretty obvious that the Dutch subs were fresher than our defence. The first goal was a complete shambles, the second a bit unlucky, but the third was waiting to happen. I was relieved we didn’t concede another. Without Dias, Stones and Rodri, we just can’t defend. Also this was Gundogan’s best performance since jis return, so why take him off with 20 minutes to go. I’m sorry, but when you are bossing the game, keep the players on until you get a 4-0 lead at least
 
I thought we played well last night up till the substitutions, but I understand why Pep made the subs.
3-0 up with 25 mins to go and a big game on Sunday plus Kevin needs minutes to get up to speed.
If Josko doesn't make the cock up for their 1st goal we go on and win comfortably but at the moment every mistake we make is being punished.
No doubt about it we did collapse after they scored but we still should have been able to hold onto the lead.
Injuries and having to play players who definitely aren't anywhere near 100% match fit are killing us along with the lack of confidence that comes from a losing run but we will get through this sooner rather than later.
Hopefully Ruben and Johnny are fit for Sunday and then we have a leader in defence.
We need to get behind the lads not get on their backs.
 
hilts said:
Or it means they pulled off a great result if they beat or draw against us and if they lose well you can't get be expected to beat the best team in the world.

Football knowledge has fuck all to do with it.
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So you don't think he's right then..? Who in your opinion are the best team in the world.. And why.
 
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Bournemouth Blue said:
I can understand Pep trusting his subs to see the game out, but once Ake was subbed and Gvardiol had a mad ten minutes, it was pretty obvious that the Dutch subs were fresher than our defence. The first goal was a complete shambles, the second a bit unlucky, but the third was waiting to happen. I was relieved we didn’t concede another. Without Dias, Stones and Rodri, we just can’t defend. Also this was Gundogan’s best performance since jis return, so why take him off with 20 minutes to go. I’m sorry, but when you are bossing the game, keep the players on until you get a 4-0 lead at least
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"so why take him off with 20 minutes to go. I’m sorry, but when you are bossing the game, keep the players on until you get a 4-0 lead at least"

Any players at our club including the youth teams should be able to defend a 3 goal lead against a very average Dutch side.
 
Was at a gig last night because when I booked the tickets I thought this would be a throwaway game in a tournament that we'd essentially already qualified for lol

Watched the highlights this morning, dear me what a comedy of errors for those final two goals. Jamie Pollock own goal levels of shooting yourself in the foot.

Biggest concern for me currently is the confidence and psychology of the team. We are playing well in patches, and despite Rodri's absence, and despite some of the drama on here about transfer policy, this is a team full of world class, international footballers. We are dramatically underperforming and that is not down to skill. Their heads have gone, and they're getting rattled by goals, and there isn't a let-up for them now. There's a lot of football to play in the few months.
 
argyle said:
It was last season and the three seasons before that. It's not 10/20 years ago that people are referring to.

This team has done brilliantly and is having a dip this season. It happens.

What's shocking is people on here and elsewhere who seemingly can't deal with that and has turned on the team and the club at the first difficult period we've had in years.
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To be fair I think most are in shock mainly because what you are calling a difficult period is really a complete collapse. We're experiencing an utterly embarrassing loss of all form. A manager who has mainly always had it go his way seems completely lost for answers and if anything is contributing to this debacle with all type of dubious decisions one would not expect from someone with his track record. For many this collapse (and that's what it is no matter what anyone chooses to call it)_was as unexpected as it's been shocking. The fact that there is no indication that the club they've known for the past decade plus will be returning any time soon has created a panic among many supporters.
Personally I think we're in big trouble in terms being a top club competing for big honors with zero assurances that we'll get back to that level any time soon if ever. I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic in recognizing we may be witnessing the end of an era. Again, all good things must come to an end but you can't necessarily blame our supporters for being in shock at the suddenness of this utterly shambolic collapse...JMO

That said anything derogatory anyone chooses to direct at me for giving my honest opinion will be a drop in the ocean compared to the pain I'm feeling watching this unfold. In the immortal words of Lord Tennyson "It's better to have dominated and lost then never to have dominated at all"...or something like that.
 
Tolmie scores said:
It's not that pal...Most of us here have loved the club through thick..thin...thickish...very thin...good,....fkin amazing...in my case of 50 years going. But it's the strange lack of squad planning - i accept we needed to temper big purchases - but a better squad plan would have helped - eased out players 30 plus or close..Laporte, Mahrez style...but bring in young y=hungry players and overlap for a season or two... it looks a mess now really
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The media crying about Spurs being down to the bare bones against us when they had 45m Werner, 45m Johnson and 45m Archie Gray on the bench. Two of whom killed us.
 
JewelZee said:
To be fair I think most are in shock mainly because what you are calling a difficult period is really a complete collapse. We're experiencing an utterly embarrassing loss of all form. A manager who has mainly always had it go his way seems completely lost for answers and if anything is contributing to this debacle with all type of dubious decisions one would not expect from someone with his track record. For many this collapse (and that's what it is no matter what anyone chooses to call it)_was as unexpected as it's been shocking. The fact that there is no indication that the club they've known for the past decade plus will be returning any time soon has created a panic among many supporters.
Personally I think we're in big trouble in terms being a top club competing for big honors with zero assurances that we'll get back to that level any time soon if ever. I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic in recognizing we may be witnessing the end of an era. Again, all good things must come to an end but you can't necessarily blame our supporters for being in shock at the suddenness of this utterly shambolic collapse...JMO

That said anything derogatory anyone chooses to direct at me for giving my honest opinion will be a drop in the ocean compared to the pain I'm feeling watching this unfold. In the immortal words of Lord Tennyson "It's better to have dominated and lost then never to have dominated at all"...or something like that.
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To be honest and with respect I think you are trying to exorcise your worst fears rather than stating facts as to our future.
Yes the decline in our normal standards is relatively extreme but this bares nothing as to what our future holds.
Hang in there brother blue- it will get better.
 
What's odd is that I have a strong conviction that if we were in the old four team format, and we'd got to this stage, with say one other strong team with us, then two weaker teams, one of which would have been Feyenoord, we would have almost certainly beaten Feyenoord calmly and comfortably, knowing exactly what we had to do. Let's say we'd had Inter with us as the other strong candidate. We could have plausibly drawn at the Etihad against Inter (which we did, and which I would accept), needing to go to Milan to get, say, another draw or a win, and get a minimum of four points against each of the other two teams, and then very probably gone through.
The current format is a bit of a fool's paradise. But I'm still not sure that I've totally understood it.
 
Protein Junkie said:
To be honest and with respect I think you are trying to exorcise your worst fears rather than stating facts as to our future.
Yes the decline in our normal standards is relatively extreme but this bares nothing as to what our future holds.
Hang in there brother blue- it will get better.
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What a couple of days, losing to Spursy and last night’s debacle, and sandwiched between that the redskins lose to Dallas, I can’t imagine getting gubbed by the dippers next weekend
 
Protein Junkie said:
To be honest and with respect I think you are trying to exorcise your worst fears rather than stating facts as to our future.
Yes the decline in our normal standards is relatively extreme but this bares nothing as to what our future holds.
Hang in there brother blue- it will get better.
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I can't say there isn't something to what you say. When I say many of our supporters are in shock I'm including myself. Very, very few teams ever reach the heights we've reached. It's been otherworldly if I'm being honest. Being pragmatic I can't shake off what I'm witnessing and all the underlying causes...

Thank you for the words of encouragement. I genuinely appreciate it! Much respect.
 
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