FFP Question

[Big G]

Who says its above board - you me dont count UEFA do and whilst they are aware of it the aint approved it yet - With Le Arse - Munich - Murderpool and other owners making noises rest assured that UEFA will go through it with a fine tooth comb and last time i checked UEFA are not exactly best pals with the FA - they have been trying for years to get the number of qualifying EPL teams down from 4 to 3 and the PRel League is the fookin eny of all leagues in the world

And the rules were devised to prevent another Man City - they are designed to keep the top clubs noses firmly in the trough - fortunately for us we have time to plan but there is very little possability of another owner like our or Chelski doing what these guys have done

You are very very paranoid, Liverpool cant say much, if they go ahead with a new stadia then that will get a sponsors name for sure, Utd will sell the naming rights for OT within 5 years, Arsenal have already sold out.
There will be more sponsors on board through a wheels within wheels basis, not rocket science.

Of course they will get a sponsorship deal and a fookin mighty big one - that is not the issue - the issue is that Ethiad is owned by the same fookin family that owns City and therefore there is a potential conflict of interest which is where the fair market value test will come in.

Alll the other teams you refrence are with comapnies whose only connection is financial therefore the fair market value test will be easier to make.

If you really cant see that you are being naive

Yes i do think Cooky and co have been really smart because the sponsorship is linked to shirt deals - stadium is spread about.

If the Sheikh was to have a company sponsor another team in the Uefa region then that would be a conflict of interest, but as sole owner of the club he can if he wants get all his companies on board, as regarding the teams I mentioned, they are the teams you mentioned so I merely offered examples, and will revert back to my statement 'wheels within wheels'.

Depict what is 'Fair Market Value'? There is no such thing, be it from a car to a football club, its only worth what someone is willing to offer and pay, and should someone want to pay more than the other party make it unfair?

 

[dctid]

You are very very paranoid, Liverpool cant say much, if they go ahead with a new stadia then that will get a sponsors name for sure, Utd will sell the naming rights for OT within 5 years, Arsenal have already sold out.
There will be more sponsors on board through a wheels within wheels basis, not rocket science.

Of course they will get a sponsorship deal and a fookin mighty big one - that is not the issue - the issue is that Ethiad is owned by the same fookin family that owns City and therefore there is a potential conflict of interest which is where the fair market value test will come in.

Alll the other teams you refrence are with comapnies whose only connection is financial therefore the fair market value test will be easier to make.

If you really cant see that you are being naive

Yes i do think Cooky and co have been really smart because the sponsorship is linked to shirt deals - stadium is spread about.

If the Sheikh was to have a company sponsor another team in the Uefa region then that would be a conflict of interest, but as sole owner of the club he can if he wants get all his companies on board, as regarding the teams I mentioned, they are the teams you mentioned so I merely offered examples, and will revert back to my statement 'wheels within wheels'.

Depict what is 'Fair Market Value'? There is no such thing, be it from a car to a football club, its only worth what someone is willing to offer and pay, and should someone want to pay more than the other party make it unfair?

Depict what is fair market value? - There is no such thing - of course there fookin is - if a mars bar cost a fiver no fooker would buy it that why they 60p or whatever

Simple fact is and like it or lump UEFA believe that they can and more importantly they WILL define what THEY believe to be fair market value. In principle is relatively easy - look at similar deals allow for inflation and taker it from there. What Cooky has done is to spread the 400 Million over shirt sponsorship - stadium naming rights and the Ethiad campus - so if we say 15 - 20 Million for the shirt then say 10 - 15 Million for the stadium and the balance on Ethiad campus we may get away with it - the problem is stadium namng rights are normally on new stadiums and i know not of any football naming stadiums that have attrached a 15 Million world record sponsorship when they had previously been known as something else and secondly do you not find it strange that a commerical organisation would sponsor something that was not even built yet namely Ethiad Campus.

This is a "friendly" sponshorshiip package and pretty much we all know this is the case and UEFA could trim it and we just need to hope that Cooky and co (whom i have always thought he was a far far more intelligent bloke than maybe his public persona is percieved to be) have got the bases covered but ultimately if UEFA want to act like a bunch of arses then they will

 

[Big G]

You have looked into this the wrong way and far too deeply hence having the wrong grasp. there are no grounds for UEFA to pull the plug as we have been consultation throughout the process with UEFA and got the go ahead.
The deal is unique as it covers many bases and has options for increase on those bases and others in proposal and pipeline, the proposals are encouraged by UEFA.

 

[Irwell]

Depict what is fair market value? - There is no such thing - of course there fookin is - if a mars bar cost a fiver no fooker would buy it that why they 60p or whatever

It depends really doesn't it. I mean let's say you are on the dole, you might not bother buying the Mars Bar, but if you are multi millionaire you might not have so much of an issue with it. Let's also say that this Mars bar includes entry into a competition where one in ten bars wins you £100. Hey, it might be worth that investment after all! Give me ten!

Simple fact is and like it or lump UEFA believe that they can and more importantly they WILL define what THEY believe to be fair market value. In principle is relatively easy - look at similar deals allow for inflation and taker it from there.

Yes, but they will decide what they believe to be fair market value based on what is in their best interests. There will be a number of things that determine that, and creating a level playing field for football teams will be at the bottom of the list.

What Cooky has done is to spread the 400 Million over shirt sponsorship - stadium naming rights and the Ethiad campus - so if we say 15 - 20 Million for the shirt then say 10 - 15 Million for the stadium and the balance on Ethiad campus we may get away with it - the problem is stadium namng rights are normally on new stadiums and i know not of any football naming stadiums that have attrached a 15 Million world record sponsorship when they had previously been known as something else

It may be a record for football, but it isn't a record for a stadium sponsorship. A stadium is a stadium and City can equal the exposure of any American sports team, so how could anyone say Etihad couldn't match an American stadium sponsorship deal?

and secondly do you not find it strange that a commerical organisation would sponsor something that was not even built yet namely Ethiad Campus.

Not really. Farmers Field doesn't exist yet. Most of these agreements are done before building work commences.

This is a "friendly" sponshorshiip package and pretty much we all know this is the case and UEFA could trim it and we just need to hope that Cooky and co (whom i have always thought he was a far far more intelligent bloke than maybe his public persona is percieved to be) have got the bases covered but ultimately if UEFA want to act like a bunch of arses then they will

This is where many people disagree with your logic. You believe that UEFA will do what they want regardless of any political and economic ramifications. There are a lot of people who don't believe that to be the case. If this was solely about football then I believe you would have a case, but it isn't.

 

[jonmcity]

thought the whole thing was to stop clubs going into massive debt. Not stopping investment in football. Oh forgot the reason they gave for bringing this in dosn't matter anymore

 

[Big G]

thought the whole thing was to stop clubs going into massive debt. Not stopping investment in football. Oh forgot the reason they gave for bringing this in dosn't matter anymore

Exactly, the FFPR is in basic to stop club mortgaging themselves up for the hope of success, bit like Leeds did under Risdale, we are lucky to have an owner who is willing to plough in his own funds and basically write the money off too, fairly unique, but we still have to show figures that we can sustain without our sugar daddy, hence the sponsorship deals.

 

[dctid]

You have looked into this the wrong way and far too deeply hence having the wrong grasp. there are no grounds for UEFA to pull the plug as we have been consultation throughout the process with UEFA and got the go ahead.
The deal is unique as it covers many bases and has options for increase on those bases and others in proposal and pipeline, the proposals are encouraged by UEFA.

Unless you are an integral part of the deal then i suggest that is pure guess work - if it was a done deal and all ok Le Arse - Liverpool etc whom are more likely to have connections with UEFA and know a little more about whatever this deal is would not be kicking up so much shit - but they are

 

[Big G]

You have looked into this the wrong way and far too deeply hence having the wrong grasp. there are no grounds for UEFA to pull the plug as we have been consultation throughout the process with UEFA and got the go ahead.
The deal is unique as it covers many bases and has options for increase on those bases and others in proposal and pipeline, the proposals are encouraged by UEFA.

Unless you are an integral part of the deal then i suggest that is pure guess work - if it was a done deal and all ok Le Arse - Liverpool etc whom are more likely to have connections with UEFA and know a little more about whatever this deal is would not be kicking up so much shit - but they are

No need to be part of the deal, the quotes are out there in video format.

 

[dctid]

thought the whole thing was to stop clubs going into massive debt. Not stopping investment in football. Oh forgot the reason they gave for bringing this in dosn't matter anymore

Exactly, the FFPR is in basic to stop club mortgaging themselves up for the hope of success, bit like Leeds did under Risdale, we are lucky to have an owner who is willing to plough in his own funds and basically write the money off too, fairly unique, but we still have to show figures that we can sustain without our sugar daddy, hence the sponsorship deals.

is it fook - its to prevent sugar daddies buying clubs and breaking the cartel that has been in existence for years which is why those clubs with the most to lose are kicking up crap<br /><br />-- Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:55 pm --<br /><br />

You have looked into this the wrong way and far too deeply hence having the wrong grasp. there are no grounds for UEFA to pull the plug as we have been consultation throughout the process with UEFA and got the go ahead.
The deal is unique as it covers many bases and has options for increase on those bases and others in proposal and pipeline, the proposals are encouraged by UEFA.

Unless you are an integral part of the deal then i suggest that is pure guess work - if it was a done deal and all ok Le Arse - Liverpool etc whom are more likely to have connections with UEFA and know a little more about whatever this deal is would not be kicking up so much shit - but they are

No need to be part of the deal, the quotes are out there in video format.

So how is the 400 Million or whatever shared out?

 

[Irwell]

Unless you are an integral part of the deal then i suggest that is pure guess work - if it was a done deal and all ok Le Arse - Liverpool etc whom are more likely to have connections with UEFA and know a little more about whatever this deal is would not be kicking up so much shit - but they are

Why would Arsenal or Liverpool know anything about the deal? Whilst City have discussed it at length with UEFA, it is subject to commercial confidentiality agreements and so UEFA would be leaving themselves wide open if they divulged the details. They are making noises in UEFA's direction because their fans are kicking up a stink about it so that they aren't seen to be just letting it happen without a fight.