Figueroa's Handball

[nijinskybell]

So, based on recent experience, should Savic have just handled and taken a yellow card to stop Defoe scoring?

That seems to be what the authorities/laws are promoting.

As a City fan, yes. :) As a referee, no. Had he handballed, it would have been the same rule applied. Tactical foul, yellow card and restart play with a free kick. It's cheating but not a red card unfortunately.

Had Savic caught the ball yesterday what colour do you think the card would have been i'd lay good odds it wouldn't have been yellow.

Yeah, guaranteed to be a red in our case.

 

[Vienna_70]

I was under the impression that deliberate handball - which is what Figueroa committed - was an automatic red card.

Anywhere on the pitch, regardless of whether it was a DOGGSO, or not.

If not, why was Suarez given a red card in the World Cup in 2010?

 

[nijinskybell]

I was under the impression that deliberate handball - which is what Figueroa committed - was an automatic red card.

Anywhere on the pitch, regardless of whether it was a DOGGSO, or not.

If not, why was Suarez given a red card in the World Cup in 2010?

That was for denying a clear goalscoring opportunity... which is exactly what Figueroa did imho.

 

[Blue Dan]

Give the OP a break, he's only relaying the letter of the law, not his fault it's fucked up.

 

[nijinskybell]

Give the OP a break, he's only relaying the letter of the law, not his fault it's fucked up.

Even the OP has accepted that the Figueroa ruling probably wouldn't have been applied to us!

 

[macmanson]

I was under the impression that deliberate handball - which is what Figueroa committed - was an automatic red card.

Anywhere on the pitch, regardless of whether it was a DOGGSO, or not.

No, it is a tactical foul. A handball by definition has to be deliberate for it to be a handball. (ie: hand to ball and not ball to hand). Law 12 clearly states that a Direct Free Kick should be awarded to the opposing team if a player handles the ball DELIBERATELY (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area.)

A penalty kick is awarded if a defending team player deliberately handles the ball inside his own penalty area (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area).

A red card is only issued if it was DOGGSO like the Suarez incident. A penalty is awarded regardless of where the handball occured in the box.<br /><br />-- Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:28 pm --<br /><br />

I think its interesting that a group of referees get together and back up the decision of another referee - shock.

They are effectively saying that Sergio Aguero running unaccompanied into the visitors half of the field is not a goal scoring opportunity. He had to run 40 yards before he would be in the penalty area, with at least a 10 yard start, if not 15.

I don't think having a group of referees backing up your viewpoint carries much weight. The officials this season have been poor each week - Howard Webb really didn't have that much to do yesterday and still managed to miss things / get things wrong.

The Balotelli incident aside, he also gave a free kick against David Silva when Kaboul dived across and headed for a corner - for dangerous play presumably as he raised his foot. Silva 5'7" and Kaboul 6'2" - what chance did he have of kicking him in the head unless Kaboul is throwing himself to the floor?

The standard of refs has been shocking all season and we see it time and time again at the Etihad and then on Match Of The Day.

Tell me one thing ...... when Skrtel brought down Yaya in the box during the league game was that not denying a goal scoring opportunity? He didn't even get a yellow card for that - and he was lucky to avoid punishment for crashing through the back of Milner during the first half of the same game.

Referees are all the same, useless. Linesmen are just as bad as they shit themselves if anything happens and flag for a free kick as soon as someone falls over. They can't see obvious stuff right in front of them and then flag for an offence on the other side of the pitch.

Webb had nothing to do on Sunday really - and still cocked it up.

Not really arguing that officiating hasn't been poor, as it has been. Just arguing that by the letter of the law, the referee was correct to award simply a yellow for a tactical foul and not a red for DOGGSO in this case.

 

[fat boy blue]

Larson on a swansea player , similar but worse than kompanys & the ref - Foy . RVP t-shirt message . I am starting to believe the agenda is alive & kicking

 

[macmanson]

So if Niall Quinn is pulled back when about to tap in a header , if is not a clear goal scoring opportunity as Adrian Heath may not have reached it?

Some players have never scored therefore there no one should be sent off unless it is handled on the line.

No, a tap in header would be an obvious goal scoring opportunity. A breakaway from half is not as cut and dry. Plenty of great finishers wouldn't have the speed to break away cleanly even given a head start. Aguero is an exceptional player, not the norm.

 

[The Pink Panther]

I was under the impression that deliberate handball - which is what Figueroa committed - was an automatic red card.

Anywhere on the pitch, regardless of whether it was a DOGGSO, or not.

No, it is a tactical foul. A handball by definition has to be deliberate for it to be a handball. (ie: hand to ball and not ball to hand). Law 12 clearly states that a Direct Free Kick should be awarded to the opposing team if a player handles the ball DELIBERATELY (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area.)

A penalty kick is awarded if a defending team player deliberately handles the ball inside his own penalty area (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area).

A red card is only issued if it was DOGGSO like the Suarez incident. A penalty is awarded regardless of where the handball occured in the box.

-- Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:28 pm --

I think its interesting that a group of referees get together and back up the decision of another referee - shock.

They are effectively saying that Sergio Aguero running unaccompanied into the visitors half of the field is not a goal scoring opportunity. He had to run 40 yards before he would be in the penalty area, with at least a 10 yard start, if not 15.

I don't think having a group of referees backing up your viewpoint carries much weight. The officials this season have been poor each week - Howard Webb really didn't have that much to do yesterday and still managed to miss things / get things wrong.

The Balotelli incident aside, he also gave a free kick against David Silva when Kaboul dived across and headed for a corner - for dangerous play presumably as he raised his foot. Silva 5'7" and Kaboul 6'2" - what chance did he have of kicking him in the head unless Kaboul is throwing himself to the floor?

The standard of refs has been shocking all season and we see it time and time again at the Etihad and then on Match Of The Day.

Tell me one thing ...... when Skrtel brought down Yaya in the box during the league game was that not denying a goal scoring opportunity? He didn't even get a yellow card for that - and he was lucky to avoid punishment for crashing through the back of Milner during the first half of the same game.

Referees are all the same, useless. Linesmen are just as bad as they shit themselves if anything happens and flag for a free kick as soon as someone falls over. They can't see obvious stuff right in front of them and then flag for an offence on the other side of the pitch.

Webb had nothing to do on Sunday really - and still cocked it up.

Not really arguing that officiating hasn't been poor, as it has been. Just arguing that by the letter of the law, the referee was correct to award simply a yellow for a tactical foul and not a red for DOGGSO in this case.

So by the letter of the law, balo's second booking at klanfield, was that for violent conduct, if so was the ref wrong to issue a yellow?

 

[nijinskybell]

So if Niall Quinn is pulled back when about to tap in a header , if is not a clear goal scoring opportunity as Adrian Heath may not have reached it?

Some players have never scored therefore there no one should be sent off unless it is handled on the line.

No, a tap in header would be an obvious goal scoring opportunity. A breakaway from half is not as cut and dry. Plenty of great finishers wouldn't have the speed to break away cleanly even given a head start. Aguero is an exceptional player, not the norm.

Does the identity of the player(s) involved come into the ref's decision making then?

Edit:
Sorry mate - not having a go at you personally, I'm just so pissed off with the inconsistency.