Financial Fair Play

The only thoughts I have about City re European qualification are centred on what goes on between the goals. I have no concerns or worries that the army of employees are not currently working off their bollox in order to meet and surpass any attempt by PlatterTwatter to exclude us from a rightful place in European qualifications.

And have these pillocks at FIFA and Uefa thought about the effect of excluding teams that qualify on results?

What value would a competition have that doesn't include the 'best', what would Sky and other broadcasters have to say about a team's exclusion, and the advertising revenue being diminished if teams are prevented from competing. The list of latent dysfunctions could be as long as a touchline. FIFA have no idea what might happen. They are currently sitting on the executive toilets crappin' themselves hoping that everyone who does qualify will meet the requirements. And if they don't, I expect an ongoing rule change, particularly if one of the usual clubs is involved and could be excluded. We have seen the bollox that FIFA have made over the World Cup bids and how they now react to the worst bid winning. Lunatics in charge of the asylum.
 
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader said:
And have these pillocks at FIFA and Uefa thought about the effect of excluding teams that qualify on results?

What value would a competition have that doesn't include the 'best', what would Sky and other broadcasters have to say about a team's exclusion, and the advertising revenue being diminished if teams are prevented from competing. The list of latent dysfunctions could be as long as a touchline. FIFA have no idea what might happen. They are currently sitting on the executive toilets crappin' themselves hoping that everyone who does qualify will meet the requirements. And if they don't, I expect an ongoing rule change, particularly if one of the usual clubs is involved and could be excluded. We have seen the bollox that FIFA have made over the World Cup bids and how they now react to the worst bid winning. Lunatics in charge of the asylum.
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I know what you mean. It is almost as if they are trying to be Martyrs when the whole FFP concept in general is completely hypocritical when you look at the established CL teams. As much as Platini says it isn't a witch hunt, it most definitely is......unless they are going to be lenient and are legitimately trying to get teams to balance their books, but Platini himself has said they don't intend to be,
 
The consequences of any club not meeting FFP is NOT exclusion from UEFA competitions, it's merely a warning that the club dosen't meet FFP rules. Ultimately if a club persistantly ignores the warnings UEFA has the power to exclude them, it seems to me that there is a lot of room for manouver there. I can't realisticly see UEFA actually banning anybody except perhaps for a club thats on the verge of administration, and has been for a number of years.
 
they would ban us if we dont meet the targets,simple as that,rules are rules.i hate platini.

Michel Platini has warned that Europe's biggest clubs will have to "face the music" if they do not comply with UEFA's new financial fair play rules.

UEFA's latest figures show that financial problems affecting European clubs are getting worse, with spending on player wages up almost 10% - and increasing at a faster rate than income.

Under their new rules, clubs will face possible bans from European competition from the 2014/15 season if they spend more than they earn in the three years before.

Manchester City's recent £121million losses mean they are the club in England facing the greatest difficulty to abide by the rules - even though owners are also allowed to inject £12million a year (15m euro) into their club.

Platini, speaking at UEFA's headquarters in Nyon, Switzerland, said: "If a club doesn't fall in line and follow the same rules as everyone else then it will be time to face the music.

"Certainly it is not something we want to see.

"Our objective is not to put clubs into financial difficulty. Financial fair play is to help them escape from this devilish spiral and have a viable economic strategy in the long term.

"This is not a witch-hunt, this is so they no longer continue blindly and mindlessly."

Manchester City have already sent officials to meet UEFA about complying with the financial rules.

Andrea Traverso, UEFA's head of licensing, said: "We are in talks with the club - they are aware of the rules and they probably have a strategy to raise their income.

"They have been to see us and they are confident that they can manage this challenge."

Platini added: "Last year in Abu Dhabi I met up with the owner of Manchester City and he promised they would live with the rules and regulations."

UEFA rules guide

:: Clubs could be banned from European competition from the 2014/15 season onwards if they do not comply with the new rules.

:: The rules state clubs must break even over a three-year period - ie not repeatedly spend more than they earn.

:: Club owners will be allowed to put in up to 15million euro a year but only as equity, not a loan. This figure will then drop to 10million euro annually.

:: Clubs will be able to spend as much as they want on stadiums, training facilities and youth football.

:: UEFA will have a range of sanctions from warnings to a transfer ban to exclusion from European tournaments.

:: Across Europe, total club income in 2009 rose 4.8% to 11.7billion euros (£9.7billion) but expenditure was a 9.3% increase to 12.9billion euros (£10.7billion), making a 1.2billion euro (£1billion) deficit.

:: Most of the expenditure goes on player wages and one in three European clubs spent 70% or more of their income on salaries.

:: More than half of European clubs - 56% - ended 2009 in the red.

:: One in four clubs spent £6 for every £5 they earned.

:: A drop in transfer activity has reduced income by 5% to clubs in Scotland, France, Portugal and Holland.

:: English top-flight clubs are comfortably the richest in Europe with average revenue of 122million euros (£101million) - five times higher than Holland and Russia. Germany is second with average earnings of 86million euro (£71million).

:: Scottish top-flight clubs' average revenue in 2009 was 16m euro (£13.3million), the Republic of Ireland's 1.3m (£1.08m), Northern Ireland 0.7m (£580,000), Wales 0.3m (£250,000).

:: Clubs will be monitored if there are warning signs such as: recording a loss in any year; spending more than 70% of revenue on wages; having overdue football-related payments or tax debts; high level of debts.

:: As with a tax declaration, the onus is on the clubs to provide the correct information to UEFA and they will be subject to spot-checks and face sanctions if they do not do so.

:: National associations will initially grant the licences but UEFA will have spot-checks to make sure that the rules are being applied correctly.
 
Are we fuck on course to make it, we're a million miles away. Currently we have almost no chance and need to make big changes, quick. Personally I think we've no fucking chance and our best hope is that we make a decent effort and are subjected to a temporary transfer ban and not from European competitions because then the whole 'project' could unravel very quickly
 
levenshulmeboy said:
they would ban us if we dont meet the targets,simple as that,rules are rules.i hate platini.

Michel Platini has warned that Europe's biggest clubs will have to "face the music" if they do not comply with UEFA's new financial fair play rules.

UEFA's latest figures show that financial problems affecting European clubs are getting worse, with spending on player wages up almost 10% - and increasing at a faster rate than income.

Under their new rules, clubs will face possible bans from European competition from the 2014/15 season if they spend more than they earn in the three years before.

Manchester City's recent £121million losses mean they are the club in England facing the greatest difficulty to abide by the rules - even though owners are also allowed to inject £12million a year (15m euro) into their club.

Platini, speaking at UEFA's headquarters in Nyon, Switzerland, said: "If a club doesn't fall in line and follow the same rules as everyone else then it will be time to face the music.

"Certainly it is not something we want to see.

"Our objective is not to put clubs into financial difficulty. Financial fair play is to help them escape from this devilish spiral and have a viable economic strategy in the long term.

"This is not a witch-hunt, this is so they no longer continue blindly and mindlessly."

Manchester City have already sent officials to meet UEFA about complying with the financial rules.

Andrea Traverso, UEFA's head of licensing, said: "We are in talks with the club - they are aware of the rules and they probably have a strategy to raise their income.

"They have been to see us and they are confident that they can manage this challenge."

Platini added: "Last year in Abu Dhabi I met up with the owner of Manchester City and he promised they would live with the rules and regulations."

UEFA rules guide

:: Clubs could be banned from European competition from the 2014/15 season onwards if they do not comply with the new rules.

:: The rules state clubs must break even over a three-year period - ie not repeatedly spend more than they earn.

:: Club owners will be allowed to put in up to 15million euro a year but only as equity, not a loan. This figure will then drop to 10million euro annually.

:: Clubs will be able to spend as much as they want on stadiums, training facilities and youth football.

:: UEFA will have a range of sanctions from warnings to a transfer ban to exclusion from European tournaments.

:: Across Europe, total club income in 2009 rose 4.8% to 11.7billion euros (£9.7billion) but expenditure was a 9.3% increase to 12.9billion euros (£10.7billion), making a 1.2billion euro (£1billion) deficit.

:: Most of the expenditure goes on player wages and one in three European clubs spent 70% or more of their income on salaries.

:: More than half of European clubs - 56% - ended 2009 in the red.

:: One in four clubs spent £6 for every £5 they earned.

:: A drop in transfer activity has reduced income by 5% to clubs in Scotland, France, Portugal and Holland.

:: English top-flight clubs are comfortably the richest in Europe with average revenue of 122million euros (£101million) - five times higher than Holland and Russia. Germany is second with average earnings of 86million euro (£71million).

:: Scottish top-flight clubs' average revenue in 2009 was 16m euro (£13.3million), the Republic of Ireland's 1.3m (£1.08m), Northern Ireland 0.7m (£580,000), Wales 0.3m (£250,000).

:: Clubs will be monitored if there are warning signs such as: recording a loss in any year; spending more than 70% of revenue on wages; having overdue football-related payments or tax debts; high level of debts.

:: As with a tax declaration, the onus is on the clubs to provide the correct information to UEFA and they will be subject to spot-checks and face sanctions if they do not do so.

:: National associations will initially grant the licences but UEFA will have spot-checks to make sure that the rules are being applied correctly.
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If City, or any other club for that matter, is clearly seen to be moving towards complying with the the rules then I doubt any team will get banned for a first offence. That article clearly states the following:

UEFA will have a range of sanctions from warnings to a transfer ban to exclusion from European tournaments.
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If we've greatly reduced our losses but not quite met the regs by the time the rules take effect, UEFA and Platini will probably take a sympathetic view initially. If we're still making annual losses of £120 million by then, then that's a different matter and they'll obviously take a very dim view.

Also, that article states that over half of all European clubs ended 2009 in debt. Are UEFA going to ban half of Europe from competing in European competition? That stat alone tells me that while everyone seems to be homing in on City, there are plenty of other clubs across the continent that should be concerned as well.
 
M18CTID said:
levenshulmeboy said:
they would ban us if we dont meet the targets,simple as that,rules are rules.i hate platini.

Michel Platini has warned that Europe's biggest clubs will have to "face the music" if they do not comply with UEFA's new financial fair play rules.

UEFA's latest figures show that financial problems affecting European clubs are getting worse, with spending on player wages up almost 10% - and increasing at a faster rate than income.

Under their new rules, clubs will face possible bans from European competition from the 2014/15 season if they spend more than they earn in the three years before.

Manchester City's recent £121million losses mean they are the club in England facing the greatest difficulty to abide by the rules - even though owners are also allowed to inject £12million a year (15m euro) into their club.

Platini, speaking at UEFA's headquarters in Nyon, Switzerland, said: "If a club doesn't fall in line and follow the same rules as everyone else then it will be time to face the music.

"Certainly it is not something we want to see.

"Our objective is not to put clubs into financial difficulty. Financial fair play is to help them escape from this devilish spiral and have a viable economic strategy in the long term.

"This is not a witch-hunt, this is so they no longer continue blindly and mindlessly."

Manchester City have already sent officials to meet UEFA about complying with the financial rules.

Andrea Traverso, UEFA's head of licensing, said: "We are in talks with the club - they are aware of the rules and they probably have a strategy to raise their income.

"They have been to see us and they are confident that they can manage this challenge."

Platini added: "Last year in Abu Dhabi I met up with the owner of Manchester City and he promised they would live with the rules and regulations."

UEFA rules guide

:: Clubs could be banned from European competition from the 2014/15 season onwards if they do not comply with the new rules.

:: The rules state clubs must break even over a three-year period - ie not repeatedly spend more than they earn.

:: Club owners will be allowed to put in up to 15million euro a year but only as equity, not a loan. This figure will then drop to 10million euro annually.

:: Clubs will be able to spend as much as they want on stadiums, training facilities and youth football.

:: UEFA will have a range of sanctions from warnings to a transfer ban to exclusion from European tournaments.

:: Across Europe, total club income in 2009 rose 4.8% to 11.7billion euros (£9.7billion) but expenditure was a 9.3% increase to 12.9billion euros (£10.7billion), making a 1.2billion euro (£1billion) deficit.

:: Most of the expenditure goes on player wages and one in three European clubs spent 70% or more of their income on salaries.

:: More than half of European clubs - 56% - ended 2009 in the red.

:: One in four clubs spent £6 for every £5 they earned.

:: A drop in transfer activity has reduced income by 5% to clubs in Scotland, France, Portugal and Holland.

:: English top-flight clubs are comfortably the richest in Europe with average revenue of 122million euros (£101million) - five times higher than Holland and Russia. Germany is second with average earnings of 86million euro (£71million).

:: Scottish top-flight clubs' average revenue in 2009 was 16m euro (£13.3million), the Republic of Ireland's 1.3m (£1.08m), Northern Ireland 0.7m (£580,000), Wales 0.3m (£250,000).

:: Clubs will be monitored if there are warning signs such as: recording a loss in any year; spending more than 70% of revenue on wages; having overdue football-related payments or tax debts; high level of debts.

:: As with a tax declaration, the onus is on the clubs to provide the correct information to UEFA and they will be subject to spot-checks and face sanctions if they do not do so.

:: National associations will initially grant the licences but UEFA will have spot-checks to make sure that the rules are being applied correctly.
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If City, or any other club for that matter, is clearly seen to be moving towards complying with the the rules then I doubt any team will get banned for a first offence. That article clearly states the following:

UEFA will have a range of sanctions from warnings to a transfer ban to exclusion from European tournaments.
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If we've greatly reduced our losses but not quite met the regs by the time the rules take effect, UEFA and Platini will probably take a sympathetic view initially. If we're still making annual losses of £120 million by then, then that's a different matter and they'll obviously take a very dim view

Also, that article states that over half of all European clubs ended 2009 in debt. Are UEFA going to ban half of Europe from competing in European competition? Because, while everyone seems to be homing in on City, there are plenty of other clubs across the continent that should be concerned as well.
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how can we say we have reduced the losses? we have just got a player worth 27 million and the fee will be more because of wages,we need to get shut of players who are not playing regular on high wages.i think that ADUG may create a sponsor for us that is worth billions or something like that.maybe hydra products that have been invested in heavily.
 
levenshulmeboy said:
how can we say we have reduced the losses? we have just got a player worth 27 million and the fee will be more because of wages,we need to get shut of players who are not playing regular on high wages.i think that ADUG may create a sponsor for us that is worth billions or something like that.maybe hydra products that have been invested in heavily.
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Please don't lecture us on the rules when you haven't bothered to read them.
 
So a club doesnt meet the financial rules.

So the punishment UEFA will hand out will be banning them from european competition which affects their income significantly?

Maybe they should should just heavily fine the club who doesnt meet the regulations?
 
johnmc said:
So a club doesnt meet the financial rules.

So the punishment UEFA will hand out will be banning them from european competition which affects their income significantly?

Maybe they should should just heavily fine the club who doesnt meet the regulations?
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Which is kind of the point. It's to stop clubs gambling to get in the Champions League. If they can't get in anyway, no incentive to gamble.
 
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