Florian Wirtz

mosssideblue said:
No, I’m mature enough to know we don’t know how a transfer will work out until the player beds in with the team.

To think you know otherwise beforehand….. wow (as you put it)
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So from watching MGW play you cant see how good he is or not.....you can't see his potential levels or ability.

No transfer is definitively going to be a success of failure at inception but you can see the possibility of it .....Phillips for instance - a lot of people doubted it...and were right...Haaland was the complete opposite as was Aguero for instance.
Nunes - lots had doubts that were expressed on here - again those people were correct. Gvardiol was an easy home run.

MGW is a good level player - but nowhere near the level of player we are losing or are going to lose over the next couple of seasons (bernardo, Gundo)...imho he has his limit on how high he can go....and he is probably not far off that. The same was said about Grealish by some and that has been proven correct also.

And thats before you even start to consider that he is playing in a system which is the complete opposite to ours....he has time and space to move into and never facing a 10 man defence camped on the edge of the area. Yes his mobility, running will be useful BUT he if we dont have someone else creative in there then unless Bobb, Echevari or most likely Foden step up then we are going to struggle....Unless as I said we bring in creative wide players and fullbacks - none of which we have at present (Sav could step up but is a long way off...Doku I love but he is inconsistent) -

For me it is far more prudent that if we are going for MGW then along with Reignders we HAVE to bring in a creative player, no. 10 style player in the style of Wirtz - no idea who but we arent even linked to anyone. Marmoush is a great player but is not a number 10 creatively....goal scoring yes (probably better than Wirtz for instance and on par with Foden) but we dont have that guile in our team to unlock deep sitting defences....

And look what has happened when we have tried to rely on width - delivery is poor from all over the pitch (we have just lost our best crosser of a ball in KDB) and even when we do get balls in there we are relying of Haaland to win against 3 -4 defenders - now I know this is an area where MGW can help as he is good at breaking into the box but we need that ball between the lines that David Silva, KDB used to play.....in behind the fullbacks and into the space at the byline where you used to see Sane, Sterling get to.....we dont have it and MGW doesnt provide that and our wide players are not god in those positions....

If we rely on attacking fullbacks then we are going to need two very good ones....as we have not a single fullback that can provide that at present. Livramento is a good player but I think he is dodgy regarding injuries. No real idea on Cambiaso (if we are still interested in him)

MGW adds steal and running to our team and potentially goals from midfield....bt the guile and intelligence that Gundo has, KDB had is not there....
 
Newman Noggs said:
Yes but I'm not a big fan of these £100m+ signings. Too much can go wrong. PSG look a lot better now they've abandoned the policy of signing the likes of Neymar, Mbappe and Messi. And Real Madrid signing Mbappe hasn't improved them. No coincidence PSG and Inter are CL finalists. For me, the future lies in signing the right cogs for the machine rather than the biggest available star.
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yes but if you are missing a cog all together no matter how hard the other cogs work then the whole machine fails....MGW, Reignders might fullfill the need in some areas but we are missing creativity centrally then and without that we are limited and missing a vital piece of the machine......
 
Stoned Rose said:
Boateng fucked off after about 5 minutes and Kolarov was “decent” at best.

It wasn’t as amazing a window as you’re suggesting.
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We signed two club legends a decent left back and a player who would been decent had he stayed but we got our money back. When was the last time United, Liverpool, Arse, chelski signed two players of that caliber in a window.

Zirkzee and Onana ismprobably the closest thing United have got.
 
Paul1970 said:
Make no mistake we can sugar coat it as much as like but if he goes to Liverpool that is massive kick in the balks for our recruitment another failure to get an elite player in .
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What if he doesn’t want to come? How is that a failure when it’s completely out of our control?
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
What if he doesn’t want to come? How is that a failure when it’s completely out of our control?
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Looks like we haven’t got the pulling power of Liverpool the. Doesn’t it . After winning the treble and being the best team in the world we have now gone back to the pack scrapping with the likes of Newcastle Chelsea etc for average players .
 
Paul1970 said:
Looks like we haven’t got the pulling power of Liverpool the. Doesn’t it . After winning the treble and being the best team in the world we have now gone back to the pack scrapping with the likes of Newcastle Chelsea etc for average players .
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No. Maybe he just likes the idea of representing Liverpool in the same way Haaland likes the idea of representing us instead of *insert any top club here*.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
Is it your money? If not why are you arsed?
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The money matters, I don't understand why this sentiment still exists. We are very close to dropping out of the Champions League due to poor signings and if that happens with a couple more dud transfers then your ability to spend going forward drastically reduces unless you can continue selling youth talent like we have i guess but still the point stands, city brass clearly cares about how the money is spent so there's a sporting reason to care due to PSR.
 
We back out of plenty of deals, lose our on them too like every other club

It's not the end of the world

It's also a really good signing for Liverpool

Fingers crossed we just have our own ducks in a row for this window
 
Paul1970 said:
Make no mistake we can sugar coat it as much as like but if he goes to Liverpool that is massive kick in the balks for our recruitment another failure to get an elite player in .
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Yeah, then when they recover from that they can look at their fucking huge pile of medals in the last decade and all is well.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
And yet apparently that’s what we’ve done if you read this very thread, let alone the others. What I find weird then is that we have had one trophy less season this time, yet before that it was 4 in a row, the treble etc. what I conclude by that then is that people are pretty dim, entitled and have very limited knowledge on how it works in the real world.
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I agree, but also can't deny that the quality of signings does seem to be steadily declining over the last few years

It's not like the players we are getting in are bad they just aren't the level we were used to getting, Haaland and Gvardio exceptions but they weren't exactly hidden gems, they were the #1 talents in their positions.
 
ProofMCFC said:
It’s pretty funny seeing the mental gymnastics people are doing to persuade themselves that Reijnders and MGW is any where near enough
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I think the Dutch is very good at what he does and will be good for us if we can get it done and we don’t play silly buggars and walk away as we normally do . Tbh wirtz is probably seeing that pep destroys anyone with any creativity and thinks fuck it .
 
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