Football Lads and Lasses against Facism

blueinsa said:
Yep the extreme left and you are every bit as bad as those you despise.

I share your hatred of racists but im afraid i dont share your views that violence is the way to stop them.

Its telling that I've not seen one poster defending the extreme right on this thread, just myself and others saying that the group Rascal supports also have no place at our club or in football yet its brought the attack dogs out and its all because we wont tow the party line.

I'ts classic extreme left wing identity politics in play.

Violent wankers.

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Violent wankers

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Knock yourselves out but dont expect to get much support for it.
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It frightens me that the far right is (correctly) vilified for their extremist views to such a degree that those in that mindset have to disguise themselves for fear of being identified in real life.....

...where as the far left has no such problem with being vilified to the same degree (if at all) and openly spout their extremist nonsense without disguise or cover, instead they fly their extremism like a virtuous flag of moral authority.

Communist Russia and the German Nazi state were only recently extinguished in the last century ffs.


It's bizarre behaviour.
 
Armchair Supporter said:
It frightens me that the far right is (correctly) vilified for their extremist views to such a degree that those in that mindset have to disguise themselves for fear of being identified in real life.....

...where as the far left has no such problem with being vilified to the same degree (if at all) and openly spout their extremist nonsense without disguise or cover, instead they fly their extremism like a virtuous flag of moral authority.

Communist Russia and the German Nazi state were only recently extinguished in the last century ffs.


It's bizarre behaviour.
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The slightly right (like me) have to disguise ourselves. I have given up trying.
 
Welcome to the 21st century with people willingly throwing themselves on to the man traps of divide and conquer.
 
worsleyweb said:
I wish I was prime minister - I would bring back hard labour for anyone left of centre. These oddballs like rascal and kowalski I would put them in stocks until they saw sense.
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Gimp masks optional? This is some weird sexual shit you got going on here.
 
Ric said:
If you’re trying to disguise yourselves, you’re doing an appalling job.
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My point proven. As I said I don’t hide it now. No shame in my Conservative views and values.
 
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stonerblue said:
Ha, extreme left? Are you just making this shit up? When did opposing racist, small minded violent dickheads turn into 'extreme left'? I'd have thought most right thinking (normal) people would support any action designed to fuck off the neanderthal fla wankers and all other manner of violent racists.
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Opposing extremism isn't an extreme political position.

Opposing extremism by putting together a football firm to go and "sort them out" is an extreme political position.

You can strawman all you like but the fact of the matter is that if you're encouraging or turning a blind eye to violence in politics then you're essentially advocating domestic terrorism.

Which is perfectly fine, but then you don't get to complain when the extreme right take it one step further.

This is always the stupidest thing about the "anti-fascist" groups; they're pretending. They think that they can get together in their little gangs and go sort out the world by throwing a few cheeky slaps out while being ballyed up. They think that it will be fun to go and use a bit of violence and that will make all these problems disappear.

The problem with this is that the far left, as usual, completely misunderstands how fascists think and instead think they think like a TV show stereotype bully. They don't.

The difference between fascists and anti-fascists is that fascists actually mean it and actively encourage violence and riots. They want the "look at me" middle class student wankers to charge at them. Because the left sees this as a bit of a rumble where they get to feel like superheroes and then they might give a 50 year old lager lout a bit of kicking so they feel good about themselves. The fascists want to genocide people, create extermination camps and actively murder political opponents. They're not there for a bit of a good time and a feeling of self righteousness; they're there to normalise political violence. And these anti-fa twats play right into their hands every single time.

And that's ultimately what this comes down to. The anti-fascists won't escalate to the same levels as the fascists so the entire thing is pointless. When people start getting violent, both sides continuously escalate the situation until one of them backs down and the left will always back down before the right
 
Does anyone commenting have any active involvement with these, or actually read their social media pages and what they are all about?

Or are most comments just reactive to rascals OP?

I posted about these about 6 months ago on the EDL thread when they were starting up and I think people are misunderstanding their point.

It started out a a couple of fans who wanted to curb any chance of the DFLA using and trying to recruit football fans to far right groups.
The idea was to
  • Oppose any chance of the DFLA influence a clubs fanbase
  • Oppose racist, facist ideology being spread amongst the football community
  • A place for fans ran by fans to work together to oppose discrimination and racism creeping into any fanbase
  • Joining fans in a united community of mutial respect for all walks of life
  • Recognising and celebrating working class unity
At the begining they encouraged leaflet and sticker campaigns organised at club level by fans, a collective symbol or tagline that each set of fans could use to show a solidarity against DFLA influence.
As they went on though fans following them asked about a collective gathering to show opposition to the next DFLA march that happened in London, there wan't some organised plan to go have a scrap, but to stand in unity.

Portraying it as some far left group picking fights with other fans is misleading.

Unlike the DFLA who are happy to have far right groups march alongaide them, they refused to allow more extreme left groups like SWP join or try to influence their gathering and though obviously advocating a more left political ideology want to keep it about fans opposing racism and discrimination not potical posturing and support of political groups..


I see no issue with them as long as they don't advocate or get involved in violence or attacking people.
 
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