Football Lads and Lasses against Facism

urban genie said:
Does anyone commenting have any active involvement with these, or actually read their social media pages and what they are all about?

Or are most comments just reactive to rascals OP?

I posted about theseabout 6 months ago on the EDL thread when they were starting up and I think people are misunderstanding their point.

It started out a a couple of fans who wanted to curb any chance of the DFLA using and trying to recruit football fans to far right groups.
The idea was to
  • Oppose any chanc eof the DFLA influence a clubs fanbase
  • Oppose racist, facist ideology being spread amongst the football community
  • A place for fans ran by fans to work together to oppose discrimination and racism creeping into any fanbase
  • Joining fans in a united community of mutial respect for all walks of life
  • Recognising and celebrating working class unity
At the begining they encouraged leaflet and sticker campaigns organised at club level by fans, a collective symbol or tagline that each set of fans could use to show a solidarity against DFLA influence.
As they went on though fans fillowing them asked about a collective gathering to show opposition to the next DFLA march that happened in Londo, there wan't some organised plan to go have a scrap, but to stand in unity.

Portraying it as some far left group picking fights with other fans is misleading.

Unlike the DFLA who are happy.to have far right groups march alongaide them, they refused to allow more extreme left groups like SWP join or try to influence their gathering and though obviously advocating a more left political ideology wan to keep it about fans opposing raciam and discrimination not potical posturing and support of political groups..


I see no issue with them as long as they don't advocate or get involved in violence or attacking people.
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Thanks for the sensible post.
 
urban genie said:
Does anyone commenting have any active involvement with these, or actually read their social media pages and what they are all about?

Or are most comments just reactive to rascals OP?

I posted about these about 6 months ago on the EDL thread when they were starting up and I think people are misunderstanding their point.

It started out a a couple of fans who wanted to curb any chance of the DFLA using and trying to recruit football fans to far right groups.
The idea was to
  • Oppose any chance of the DFLA influence a clubs fanbase
  • Oppose racist, facist ideology being spread amongst the football community
  • A place for fans ran by fans to work together to oppose discrimination and racism creeping into any fanbase
  • Joining fans in a united community of mutial respect for all walks of life
  • Recognising and celebrating working class unity
At the begining they encouraged leaflet and sticker campaigns organised at club level by fans, a collective symbol or tagline that each set of fans could use to show a solidarity against DFLA influence.
As they went on though fans following them asked about a collective gathering to show opposition to the next DFLA march that happened in London, there wan't some organised plan to go have a scrap, but to stand in unity.

Portraying it as some far left group picking fights with other fans is misleading.

Unlike the DFLA who are happy to have far right groups march alongaide them, they refused to allow more extreme left groups like SWP join or try to influence their gathering and though obviously advocating a more left political ideology wan tto keep it about fans opposing raciam and discrimination not potical posturing and support of political groups..


I see no issue with them as long as they don't advocate or get involved in violence or attacking people.
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You mean all that hysterical swooning and sobbing with fear that some ‘lefties’ were out to get them was for naught? I’m stunned.
 
BobKowalski said:
You mean all that hysterical swooning and sobbing with fear that some ‘lefties’ were out to get them was for naught? I’m stunned.
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The sheer hypocrisy of this post is astounding Bob even for you.
 
urban genie said:
Does anyone commenting have any active involvement with these, or actually read their social media pages and what they are all about?

Or are most comments just reactive to rascals OP?

I posted about these about 6 months ago on the EDL thread when they were starting up and I think people are misunderstanding their point.

It started out a a couple of fans who wanted to curb any chance of the DFLA using and trying to recruit football fans to far right groups.
The idea was to
  • Oppose any chance of the DFLA influence a clubs fanbase
  • Oppose racist, facist ideology being spread amongst the football community
  • A place for fans ran by fans to work together to oppose discrimination and racism creeping into any fanbase
  • Joining fans in a united community of mutial respect for all walks of life
  • Recognising and celebrating working class unity
At the begining they encouraged leaflet and sticker campaigns organised at club level by fans, a collective symbol or tagline that each set of fans could use to show a solidarity against DFLA influence.
As they went on though fans following them asked about a collective gathering to show opposition to the next DFLA march that happened in London, there wan't some organised plan to go have a scrap, but to stand in unity.

Portraying it as some far left group picking fights with other fans is misleading.

Unlike the DFLA who are happy to have far right groups march alongaide them, they refused to allow more extreme left groups like SWP join or try to influence their gathering and though obviously advocating a more left political ideology want to keep it about fans opposing racism and discrimination not potical posturing and support of political groups..


I see no issue with them as long as they don't advocate or get involved in violence or attacking people.
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Honestly, you don't need to go and look at what these "groups" are doing to be appalled by the ideoligy and doctrines behind them.

In the OP's instance:

It is identity politics (my group > your group).
It is using the club and its badge for it's own benefits and purposes.

It is being (very) divisive by being selectively inclusive :
Lads and Lasses are short hand for "young adults who are identify specifically male or female". That removes the young, middle aged the old, the non gender specific from this set. I don't think it is an accident that "Lads and lasses" are also the most physically capable, the most emotionally unstable and the most impressionable sub set of the human race....
"Working class" , again another division, another sub set and again I don't think it an accident that the "Proles" are being lumped in with this. Who better to fight the oppressive and hierarchical tyranny! Sure poor people are stupid and have nothing to loose anyway huh..... (satire, ftr)

And to tie all of this divisive and inflamitory imagery together, you fly the communist flag of "unity".

For many, many more reasons (you could probably write a whole thesis on the damn thing) That badge and all it stands for is an abomination and an insult.

Leave the City badge alone. Do not attach your ideology or politics to either it or the club (or any club). Football is a break from the misery, tragedy and toils of life. It is a place where people go to forget the politics, the trials and tribulations of their life. It is a sanctuary and deserves to be treated according, not used to leverage anyone's political ideals.
 
Armchair Supporter said:
Honestly, you don't need to go and look at what these "groups" are doing to be appalled by the ideoligy and doctrines behind them.

In the OP's instance:

It is identity politics (my group > your group).
It is using the club and its badge for it's own benefits and purposes.

It is being (very) divisive by being selectively inclusive :
Lads and Lasses are short hand for "young adults who are identify specifically male or female". That removes the young, middle aged the old, the non gender specific from this set. I don't think it is an accident that "Lads and lasses" are also the most physically capable, the most emotionally unstable and the most impressionable sub set of the human race....
"Working class" , again another division, another sub set and again I don't think it an accident that the "Proles" are being lumped in with this. Who better to fight the oppressive and hierarchical tyranny! Sure poor people are stupid and have nothing to loose anyway huh..... (satire, ftr)

And to tie all of this divisive and inflamitory imagery together, you fly the communist flag of "unity".

For many, many more reasons (you could probably write a whole thesis on the damn thing) That badge and all it stands for is an abomination and an insult.

Leave the City badge alone. Do not attach your ideology or politics to either it or the club (or any club). Football is a break from the misery, tragedy and toils of life. It is a place where people go to forget the politics, the trials and tribulations of their life. It is a sanctuary and deserves to be treated according, not used to leverage anyone's political ideals.
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So as your first sentence says you are discarding any actual factual info for what you believe yourself and your own assumptions.

The DFLA trying to insert itself into football culture was seen as an issue by some fans, so they created this social media group

As for the badge, they have only made up one requested by fans of that club or fans can make their own as spurs and norwich fans did at the start, so some blues have obviously asked for them

Also as said a lot of it is leafleting fans and stickering said badges as a sign of solidarity, not mobs of lads going round imposing their belief.

You are not expected to go out on marches or campaign politically, it's basically a common idea that fans will oppose discrimination and racism amongst fans, and if blues want to support it I don't see the harm.

If it morphed into a politicalmovement and a mob to rival and scrap the DFLA mob then it would be different and a waste of time.
 
urban genie said:
So as your first sentence says you are discarding any actual factual info for what you believe yourself and your own assumptions.

The DFLA trying to insert itself into football culture was seen as an issue by some fans, so they created this social media group

As for the badge, they have only made up one requested by fans of that club or fans can make their own as spurs and norwich fans did at the start, so some blues have obviously asked for them

Also as said a lot of it is leafleting fans and stickering said badges as a sign of solidarity, not mobs of lads going round imposing their belief.

You are not expected to go out on marches or campaign politically, it's basically a common idea that fans will oppose discrimination and racism amongst fans, and if blues want to support it I don't see the harm.

If it morphed into a politicalmovement and a mob to rival and scrap the DFLA mob then it would be different and a waste of time.
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Perhaps you need to think long and hard about what you are doing and what it means. You clearly haven't understood or thought about any of the many responses to it in this thread.
 
Armchair Supporter said:
Perhaps you need to think long and hard about what you are doing and what it means. You clearly haven't understood or thought about any of the many responses to it in this thread.
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I have nowt to do with or am part of this social media group and the fans that are promoting it, but see no issue with the idea of fans uniting against racism and discrimination amd celebrating working class culture.

It's as personal a choice as is joining the DFLA, if I was to say which I think is less of a threat to communities and looking to cause trouble I would say it's the FLALAR.

People can do what they want, if some blues want to get their badges and wear them fine by me, it is their choice, if others don't fair play to them.

This vilification of them as a hooligan gang out to smack people is bollocks though and that is what I am challenging, that notion.
 
urban genie said:
I have nowt to do with or am part of this social media group and the fans that are promoting it, but see no issue with the idea of fans uniting against racism and discrimination amd celebrating working class culture.

It's as personal a choice as is joining the DFLA, if I was to say which I think is less of a threat to communities and looking to cause trouble I would say it's the FLALAR.

People can do what they want, if some blues want to get their badges and wear them fine by me, it is their choice, if others don't fair play to them.

This vilification of them as a hooligan gang out to smack people is bollocks though and that is what I am challenging, that notion.
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Does this mean @worsleyweb and @Armchair Supporter no longer have to go about their daily lives disguised as plant pots for fear of leftie inspired violence?

Huge if true.
 
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