Football Leaks/Der Spiegel articles

blue b4 the moon said:
I do enjoy your posts but you do seem to enjoy sticking your head up over the trenches a bit too much and must know that your comments will inflame stuff.

Would other clubs have been treated differently by the British press? Obviously we have nothing comparable to compare this week with but just looking at CL reports and infrancies within our bastion of impartiality press I think you already know the answer.
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Thanks for the kind words. Actually stayed off these threads all week because they are divisive and words get misconstrued but sadly got namechecked in this one and reference was made to me by another poster.

That is the issue its difficult to compare, without situations being exactly the same. I have a very low opinion of the press full stop and think everybody is fair game to them as sadly has been proven in much more important environments than football with the phone tapping affairs.

There has been some decent coverage by a few of the big hitters, I have read and then the histrionics by others. Would it be different we will never know. Just a personal opinion but the people who get quoted, tagged or typically are those spewing the most hyperbole whether it be journalist or on twitter. Its prevalent in society nowadays and sadly reflected in the press.
 
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If anyone listens to the 9320 podcast then you will have heard Stefan Borson dissect some of these arguments about legal action. Stefan's a commercial lawyer and was City's official adviser at the time of the Thaksin takeover. He and I did a pod on this & it was great to hear his insight. I did one for the BoltFromTheBlue podcast covering these issues but I don't have Stefan's legal background so just concentrated on the figures and the process.

I'd recommend listening to these if you haven't already but Stefan makes the point that we will have probably signed an agreement as part of the settlement and that may well have been a "Full & Final" settlement, precluding any further actions. Had we passed FFP, or had we failed but escaped punishment by successfully using the provisions of Annex XI Section 2 relating to pre-June 2010 wages, using some opaque accounting then they might well be able to take further action. But we failed and their own change to the rules round Annex XI caused that. Are they really going to punish us because we failed but maybe should have failed by more?

And one of the key points Stefan made was that if this does go to court, both sides have to go through a process called 'discovery' whereby all pertinent documents have to be disclosed to the other party. And UEFA's files, with emails and documents maybe from clubs like Bayern, Arsenal, the rags and their representatives at UEFA, might be at least as embarrassing to them as some of our documents might be to us. So I'd not be too worried about these "UEFA sources" as they could easily be Gill or Rumennigge.
 
Newman Noggs said:
This is right. I suspect it goes a little further than that. I suspect there are "gentlemen's agreements" in place amongst 4 or 5 clubs relating to all sorts of financial matters such as divvying up transfer targets to avoid driving up prices.

I'd like to think, as you say, they have tried to get us on board and we've told the dishonourable ****s to fuck off.
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Weren't we supposed to have some sort of agreement with Real Madrid a few years back about not chasing each other's targets?
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
If anyone listens to the 9320 podcast then you will have heard Stefan Borson dissect some of these arguments about legal action. Stefan's a commercial lawyer and was City's official adviser at the time of the Thaksin takeover. He and I did a pod on this & it was great to hear his insight. I did one for the BoltFromTheBlue podcast covering these issues but I don't have Stefan's legal background so just concentrated on the figures and the process.

I'd recommend listening to these if you haven't already but Stefan makes the point that we will have probably signed an agreement as part of the settlement and that may well have been a "Full & Final" settlement, precluding any further actions. Had we passed FFP, or had we failed but escaped punishment by successfully using the provisions of Annex XI Section 2 relating to pre-June 2010 wages, using some opaque accounting then they might well be able to take further action. But we failed and their own change to the rules round Annex XI caused that. Are they really going to punish us because we failed but maybe should have failed by more?

And one of the key points Stefan made was that if this does go to court, both sides have to go through a process called 'discovery' whereby all pertinent documents have to be disclosed to the other party. And UEFA's files, with emails and documents maybe from clubs like Bayern, Arsenal, the rags and their representatives at UEFA, might be at least as embarrassing to them as some of our documents might be to us. So I'd not be too worried about these "UEFA sources" as they could easily be Gill or Rumennigge.
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This is all well and good down the road should things play out that way but ultimately right here and now we're being battered by all sides here and our reputation is being tarnished to the point where we're now even hearing our silverware collected is tainted. The fact that the club are not commenting to me suggests there's more than an element of truth in all this and we're are just trying to ride out the storm and hope not too much damage comes of it. We're being so meek right now I wouldn't be surprised if we agreed to take another "pinch" and hope it goes away. I just don't see us saying bring it on we'll see you in court so Stefans points are mute. We need to give someone a kicking.....bring on ManUre!
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
If anyone listens to the 9320 podcast then you will have heard Stefan Borson dissect some of these arguments about legal action. Stefan's a commercial lawyer and was City's official adviser at the time of the Thaksin takeover. He and I did a pod on this & it was great to hear his insight. I did one for the BoltFromTheBlue podcast covering these issues but I don't have Stefan's legal background so just concentrated on the figures and the process.

I'd recommend listening to these if you haven't already but Stefan makes the point that we will have probably signed an agreement as part of the settlement and that may well have been a "Full & Final" settlement, precluding any further actions. Had we passed FFP, or had we failed but escaped punishment by successfully using the provisions of Annex XI Section 2 relating to pre-June 2010 wages, using some opaque accounting then they might well be able to take further action. But we failed and their own change to the rules round Annex XI caused that. Are they really going to punish us because we failed but maybe should have failed by more?

And one of the key points Stefan made was that if this does go to court, both sides have to go through a process called 'discovery' whereby all pertinent documents have to be disclosed to the other party. And UEFA's files, with emails and documents maybe from clubs like Bayern, Arsenal, the rags and their representatives at UEFA, might be at least as embarrassing to them as some of our documents might be to us. So I'd not be too worried about these "UEFA sources" as they could easily be Gill or Rumennigge.
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Thanks PB. Among the increasingly vitriolic posts that are contributing little to the enlightenment of City fans, this stands out as objective, informed and informative from a poster whose opinion, knowledge and judgement are rightly very well respected.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
If anyone listens to the 9320 podcast then you will have heard Stefan Borson dissect some of these arguments about legal action. Stefan's a commercial lawyer and was City's official adviser at the time of the Thaksin takeover. He and I did a pod on this & it was great to hear his insight. I did one for the BoltFromTheBlue podcast covering these issues but I don't have Stefan's legal background so just concentrated on the figures and the process.

I'd recommend listening to these if you haven't already but Stefan makes the point that we will have probably signed an agreement as part of the settlement and that may well have been a "Full & Final" settlement, precluding any further actions. Had we passed FFP, or had we failed but escaped punishment by successfully using the provisions of Annex XI Section 2 relating to pre-June 2010 wages, using some opaque accounting then they might well be able to take further action. But we failed and their own change to the rules round Annex XI caused that. Are they really going to punish us because we failed but maybe should have failed by more?

And one of the key points Stefan made was that if this does go to court, both sides have to go through a process called 'discovery' whereby all pertinent documents have to be disclosed to the other party. And UEFA's files, with emails and documents maybe from clubs like Bayern, Arsenal, the rags and their representatives at UEFA, might be at least as embarrassing to them as some of our documents might be to us. So I'd not be too worried about these "UEFA sources" as they could easily be Gill or Rumennigge.
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As ever the devil in the detail mate and thanks for the insight.

Will give it a listen this afternoon.
 
CityPar said:
This is all well and good down the road should things play out that way but ultimately right here and now we're being battered by all sides here and our reputation is being tarnished to the point where we're now even hearing our silverware collected is tainted. The fact that the club are not commenting to me suggests there's more than an element of truth in all this and we're are just trying to ride out the storm and hope not too much damage comes of it. We're being so meek right now I wouldn't be surprised if we agreed to take another "pinch" and hope it goes away.
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You'd be wrong. The club is right not to comment on these other than their stock response. But things will be going on behind the scenes and we'll see how these play out.
 
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