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[dronefromsector7g]

i think you are right, well like i say lets see how long they get away with it any longer. i have always been of the mind to let them slog it out between themselves but clearly that hasn't worked.

Are you including banter-style insults or just real abuse?

Worried about always calling me a ****?

 

[aguero93:20]

i think you are right, well like i say lets see how long they get away with it any longer. i have always been of the mind to let them slog it out between themselves but clearly that hasn't worked.

Are you including banter-style insults or just real abuse?

Worried about always calling me a c**t?

Worried about pantalon violet :)

 

[hilts]

see this is just wrong. we want to attract posters not scare them away.

Oh stop it. There are posters on here who just throw insults around all the time and they're allowed to do it because of their 'celebrity status'. You know it, I know it, and most posters on here know it. However, as has been said previously, no one is forced to log on.

i think you are right, well like i say lets see how long they get away with it any longer. i have always been of the mind to let them slog it out between themselves but clearly that hasn't worked.

So what we want is a beige forum? in a PC world where everyone is outraged by anything remotely controversial we cannot express our true opinions, i got my one and only ban last week on that bloody israeli thread, the reason i got banned? because a mod made a cock of himself and then got back up by his mate Mod II

They could of quite easily defended their opinion or explained their stance but went straight to covering their arses, i get the need to come down on posters expressing extreme opinions but banning someone for mod bashing? are you really that delicate?

Let's hope the mods also follow this new hard line when they lose it but i suppose being a hypocrite can easily be avoided if you delete or remove posts to suit your needs

 

[Ric]

Apologies, I've been away this week so am only just catching up with things. Not had the chance to read the thread in its entirety, so am probably just reiterating what others have already said, but you can never have full freedom of speech on a forum as that would mean people could say literally anything they wanted, regardless of how offensive it is. If we allowed that it would be chaos on here, even more so than usual.

Threads about Israel and Palestine are always the most problematic, because it's such an emotive issue, but there was a time when the subject could be discussed rationally and sensibly on here. Recently it seems that certain posters are becoming more extreme in their views, and are eschewing rational debate. I'm loathe to banning genuine Blues for having strong opinions on a subject, but some people need to be a bit more considered in what they say.

 

[hilts]

Apologies, I've been away this week so am only just catching up with things. Not had the chance to read the thread in its entirety, so am probably just reiterating what others have already said, but you can never have full freedom of speech on a forum as that would mean people could say literally anything they wanted, regardless of how offensive it is. If we allowed that it would be chaos on here, even more so than usual.

Threads about Israel and Palestine are always the most problematic, because it's such an emotive issue, but there was a time when the subject could be discussed rationally and sensibly on here. Recently it seems that certain posters are becoming more extreme in their views, and are eschewing rational debate. I'm loathe to banning genuine Blues for having strong opinions on a subject, but some people need to be a bit more considered in what they say.

If someone has an extreme view(whoever decides what is extreme i don't know) then personally i prefer to hear it, i would rather someone openly admits for example that they are racist than chipping away under the cover of the coc, i likened a mod to a dictator and got a ban, in itself this is the action of a dictator which is somewhat ironic, maybe they could of just defended themselves like an adult

If i was abusive fair enough but if i feel someone is using their power as a moderator to stop another poster expressing an opinion is this what we want?

 

[TangerineSteve17]

If someone has an extreme view(whoever decides what is extreme i don't know) then personally i prefer to hear it, i would rather someone openly admits for example that they are racist than chipping away under the cover of the coc, i likened a mod to a dictator and got a ban, in itself this is the action of a dictator which is somewhat ironic, maybe they could of just defended themselves like an adult

If i was abusive fair enough but if i feel someone is using their power as a moderator to stop another poster expressing an opinion is this what we want?

You're right in principle. Beige is boring, we can't all group hug. If someone has an extremely extreme point of view, I would suppose they'd get reported by the majority and be banned that way. We're all adults, I'm uneasy about a few people (mods) deciding what is acceptable and what isn't. Let the majority speak. Everything is subjective, that's what makes thing interesting.

 

[hilts]

If someone has an extreme view(whoever decides what is extreme i don't know) then personally i prefer to hear it, i would rather someone openly admits for example that they are racist than chipping away under the cover of the coc, i likened a mod to a dictator and got a ban, in itself this is the action of a dictator which is somewhat ironic, maybe they could of just defended themselves like an adult

If i was abusive fair enough but if i feel someone is using their power as a moderator to stop another poster expressing an opinion is this what we want?

You're right in principle. Beige is boring, we can't all group hug. If someone has an extremely extreme point of view, I would suppose they'd get reported by the majority and be banned that way. We're all adults, I'm uneasy about a few people (mods) deciding what is acceptable and what isn't. Let the majority speak. Everything is subjective, that's what makes thing interesting.

The thing that annoyed me was that i have seen all sorts of crap on here but a mod lost the plot and mad a dick of himself, did he try and justify it or man up no, he covered his arse pure and simple and that is when it doesn't become a forum where everyone is treated the same

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Apologies, I've been away this week so am only just catching up with things. Not had the chance to read the thread in its entirety, so am probably just reiterating what others have already said, but you can never have full freedom of speech on a forum as that would mean people could say literally anything they wanted, regardless of how offensive it is. If we allowed that it would be chaos on here, even more so than usual.

Threads about Israel and Palestine are always the most problematic, because it's such an emotive issue, but there was a time when the subject could be discussed rationally and sensibly on here. Recently it seems that certain posters are becoming more extreme in their views, and are eschewing rational debate. I'm loathe to banning genuine Blues for having strong opinions on a subject, but some people need to be a bit more considered in what they say.

If someone has an extreme view(whoever decides what is extreme i don't know) then personally i prefer to hear it, i would rather someone openly admits for example that they are racist than chipping away under the cover of the coc, i likened a mod to a dictator and got a ban, in itself this is the action of a dictator which is somewhat ironic, maybe they could of just defended themselves like an adult

If i was abusive fair enough but if i feel someone is using their power as a moderator to stop another poster expressing an opinion is this what we want?

yeah, I can accept freely that there are a few who have been racist and are covering under the CoC whilst trying to push their agenda as far as possible, and it's not easy for posters to see all this when they may log on to read at a time of day where these posts have already vanished.

However there does seem to be an imbalance in Israel/Palestine threads, and in the way a certain side puts across its point and tries to defend its point, that tarnishes a lot of people with the same, completely unfair, brush, but it's condoned and sometimes promoted because some moderators hold that point of view strongly, and therefore we get a thread like this today.

Damocles clears issues up far more quickly with posts he makes in here than he did in the Israel thread where I honestly, and he can take it whichever way he likes, felt he belittled me, and did the whole mantra that he accuses others of doing which "spoils threads". Also I would also like to know what's changed his mind on the way the Israel thread was going, and why he clearly tried to underplay the "anti-semitic" accusations that have been either subtly hinted or suggested at (like a lot of casual racism was being used by a few members of the opposite view before they opened out into more extreme posts), especially when certain members, including moderators, have played that card before over the past couple of years.

It has come across as there being a little bit of a tarnishing of sympathetic towards Palestine users in recent days, which again, raises tensions a bit as that's how many Palestine sympathisers view a large proportion of the media coverage. In the same way that this post will be taken as "yet another attack on the mods by JMW" by certain people, even though I've hardly posted about mods in the past number of months, the defense of posters and moderators who have either suggested indirectly or directly, that Palestinian sympathisers are just "anti-semitic", will be felt as an attack on those posters, stifling the discussion to suit a certain opinion, even if to those trying to mediate the debate it seems like there's not an issue.

So in simple terms to guys like Damo. Whilst you may not feel that there's an issue in what certain posters have posted in relation to anti-semitism jibes, to certain posters there is a stigma starting to appear on the forum again, in the same way that you interpret a number of my posts as mod attacks, even though I have actually rarely posted on mods in recent months, and haven't actually attacked a moderator or their modding abilities in this post, but to some it may appear as such.

 

[hilts]

Apologies, I've been away this week so am only just catching up with things. Not had the chance to read the thread in its entirety, so am probably just reiterating what others have already said, but you can never have full freedom of speech on a forum as that would mean people could say literally anything they wanted, regardless of how offensive it is. If we allowed that it would be chaos on here, even more so than usual.

Threads about Israel and Palestine are always the most problematic, because it's such an emotive issue, but there was a time when the subject could be discussed rationally and sensibly on here. Recently it seems that certain posters are becoming more extreme in their views, and are eschewing rational debate. I'm loathe to banning genuine Blues for having strong opinions on a subject, but some people need to be a bit more considered in what they say.

If someone has an extreme view(whoever decides what is extreme i don't know) then personally i prefer to hear it, i would rather someone openly admits for example that they are racist than chipping away under the cover of the coc, i likened a mod to a dictator and got a ban, in itself this is the action of a dictator which is somewhat ironic, maybe they could of just defended themselves like an adult

If i was abusive fair enough but if i feel someone is using their power as a moderator to stop another poster expressing an opinion is this what we want?

yeah, I can accept freely that there are a few who have been racist and are covering under the CoC whilst trying to push their agenda as far as possible, and it's not easy for posters to see all this when they may log on to read at a time of day where these posts have already vanished.

However there does seem to be an imbalance in Israel/Palestine threads, and in the way a certain side puts across its point and tries to defend its point, that tarnishes a lot of people with the same, completely unfair, brush, but it's condoned and sometimes promoted because some moderators hold that point of view strongly, and therefore we get a thread like this today.

Damocles clears issues up far more quickly with posts he makes in here than he did in the Israel thread where I honestly, and he can take it whichever way he likes, felt he belittled me, and did the whole mantra that he accuses others of doing which "spoils threads". Also I would also like to know what's changed his mind on the way the Israel thread was going, and why he clearly tried to underplay the "anti-semitic" accusations that have been either subtly hinted or suggested at (like a lot of casual racism was being used by a few members of the opposite view before they opened out into more extreme posts), especially when certain members, including moderators, have played that card before over the past couple of years.

It has come across as there being a little bit of a tarnishing of sympathetic towards Palestine users in recent days, which again, raises tensions a bit as that's how many Palestine sympathisers view a large proportion of the media coverage. In the same way that this post will be taken as "yet another attack on the mods by JMW" by certain people, even though I've hardly posted about mods in the past number of months, the defense of posters and moderators who have either suggested indirectly or directly, that Palestinian sympathisers are just "anti-semitic", will be felt as an attack on those posters, stifling the discussion to suit a certain opinion, even if to those trying to mediate the debate it seems like there's not an issue.

So in simple terms to guys like Damo. Whilst you may not feel that there's an issue in what certain posters have posted in relation to anti-semitism jibes, to certain posters there is a stigma starting to appear on the forum again, in the same way that you interpret a number of my posts as mod attacks, even though I have actually rarely posted on mods in recent months, and haven't actually attacked a moderator or their modding abilities in this post, but to some it may appear as such.

I think the biggest problem with the israel/palenstine thread was that it pretty much covered the general opinion out there in that most thought that Israel had crossed a line, i admit to my shame that as someone who knew little of the history of this dispute i tended to be pro israel in the past, but this time it became hard to defend and those with israeli leanings deep down know this.

The urge to defend your own is quite strong and fault certainly lies on both sides, as a moderator though you either fight your cause as a poster only or walk away from the subject, defending your cause then pulling things when it turns against you is pretty cowardly in my view

 

[Bill]

i think you are right, well like i say lets see how long they get away with it any longer. i have always been of the mind to let them slog it out between themselves but clearly that hasn't worked.

Are you including banter-style insults or just real abuse?

lol , i'd like to think i can tell the difference.

****.

i suppose the main guide is if somethings reported, clearly then we have insulted someone .

 

[Bill]

Oh stop it. There are posters on here who just throw insults around all the time and they're allowed to do it because of their 'celebrity status'. You know it, I know it, and most posters on here know it. However, as has been said previously, no one is forced to log on.

i think you are right, well like i say lets see how long they get away with it any longer. i have always been of the mind to let them slog it out between themselves but clearly that hasn't worked.

So what we want is a beige forum? in a PC world where everyone is outraged by anything remotely controversial we cannot express our true opinions, i got my one and only ban last week on that bloody israeli thread, the reason i got banned? because a mod made a cock of himself and then got back up by his mate Mod II

They could of quite easily defended their opinion or explained their stance but went straight to covering their arses, i get the need to come down on posters expressing extreme opinions but banning someone for mod bashing? are you really that delicate?

Let's hope the mods also follow this new hard line when they lose it but i suppose being a hypocrite can easily be avoided if you delete or remove posts to suit your needs

you are also spot on.
at no time should a mod use his status in a debate to "win the point". i have strong views (not on israel etc as i dont know enough about it) on a lot of things and get dogs abuse at times. never do i view those remarks as a mod. i read them as me the poster. it fact its fun.
that said there is an increase in mod abuse on here and that wont do. its the posters then that are attacking the mod knowing he can't post back, the only way is to sanction the poster.
i said the other day that i'm sure people forget that we are just blues helping ric run the site, we go to games, we buy the shirts , we abuse pelli when he throws a cup tie. normal run of the mill blues.
on the racist stuff i suppose if posters just sit back and read their post before they press submit that may help. if they are happy with the content then fine, but be ready for a reaction from a fellow poster or in the case of the coc action from a mod.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Apologies, I've been away this week so am only just catching up with things. Not had the chance to read the thread in its entirety, so am probably just reiterating what others have already said, but you can never have full freedom of speech on a forum as that would mean people could say literally anything they wanted, regardless of how offensive it is. If we allowed that it would be chaos on here, even more so than usual.

Threads about Israel and Palestine are always the most problematic, because it's such an emotive issue, but there was a time when the subject could be discussed rationally and sensibly on here. Recently it seems that certain posters are becoming more extreme in their views, and are eschewing rational debate. I'm loathe to banning genuine Blues for having strong opinions on a subject, but some people need to be a bit more considered in what they say.

Too many members with too many views , I go to bed and a thread has grown 10-15 pages , most of it tedious drivel with posters arguing amongst each other , if someone posts a well balanced view of the topic at hand it gets overlooked , think some are aware the only time they will get a response is if they say something totally controversial

It's not all bad and still the best forum on the internet - just feel something should be done about the amount of non genuine posters on here - ie: My suggestion of a £5 annual fee.

 

[Kippax.]

Is it me, or are more and more threads being taken down on here? If so is it because posters are getting more vicious, or are the mods clamping down more on stuff that used to be left alone?

What I mean is, if an Israel thread leads to an argument, why not just delete the offensive posts and ban the poster? The threads are being moved, and then another one pops up until the same thing happens.

totally agree, most mods on here proberbly get bullied in real life and love the power/control. Bluemoon was a better place 6/7 years ago.

i posted a thread about fanzone danny a few weeks ago asking has he got too big for BM, yep it got deleted. Why? fuck knows

 

[BimboBob]

Is it me, or are more and more threads being taken down on here? If so is it because posters are getting more vicious, or are the mods clamping down more on stuff that used to be left alone?

What I mean is, if an Israel thread leads to an argument, why not just delete the offensive posts and ban the poster? The threads are being moved, and then another one pops up until the same thing happens.

totally agree, most mods on here proberbly get bullied in real life and love the power/control. Bluemoon was a better place 6/7 years ago.

i posted a thread about fanzone danny a few weeks ago asking has he got too big for BM, yep it got deleted. Why? fuck knows

Yes?

 

[dazdon]

I don't think it's worth debating anything controversial on here any more so I shan't be bothering even attempting an opinion on anything more controversial than the flavour of crisps I prefer or how I can win £50 for being the last poster on a thread.

 

[bgblue]

I don't think it's worth debating anything controversial on here any more so I shan't be bothering even attempting an opinion on anything more controversial than the flavour of crisps I prefer or how I can win £50 for being the last poster on a thread.

That was nearly 15mins ago ffs, just tell me what flavour, then I can move on with my life :-(

 

[dazdon]

I don't think it's worth debating anything controversial on here any more so I shan't be bothering even attempting an opinion on anything more controversial than the flavour of crisps I prefer or how I can win £50 for being the last poster on a thread.

That was nearly 15mins ago ffs, just tell me what flavour, then I can move on with my life :-(

What crisps I eat is a personal thing to me.

If I tell posters which one I prefer it could only bring disagreement and conflict.

 

[bgblue]

I don't think it's worth debating anything controversial on here any more so I shan't be bothering even attempting an opinion on anything more controversial than the flavour of crisps I prefer or how I can win £50 for being the last poster on a thread.

That was nearly 15mins ago ffs, just tell me what flavour, then I can move on with my life :-(

What crisps I eat is a personal thing to me.

If I tell posters which one I prefer it could only bring disagreement and conflict.

Well if it's anything other than Chilli heatwave Doritos, your a wrong'un anyway..
:-)

 

[aguero93:20]

I don't think it's worth debating anything controversial on here any more so I shan't be bothering even attempting an opinion on anything more controversial than the flavour of crisps I prefer or how I can win £50 for being the last poster on a thread.

That was nearly 15mins ago ffs, just tell me what flavour, then I can move on with my life :-(

What crisps I eat is a personal thing to me.

If I tell posters which one I prefer it could only bring disagreement and conflict.

I knew it, you're one of those salt and vinegar apologist cunts, aren't you?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Is it me, or are more and more threads being taken down on here? If so is it because posters are getting more vicious, or are the mods clamping down more on stuff that used to be left alone?

What I mean is, if an Israel thread leads to an argument, why not just delete the offensive posts and ban the poster? The threads are being moved, and then another one pops up until the same thing happens.

totally agree, most mods on here proberbly get bullied in real life and love the power/control. Bluemoon was a better place 6/7 years ago.

i posted a thread about fanzone danny a few weeks ago asking has he got too big for BM, yep it got deleted. Why? fuck knows

As has been pointed out on numerous occasions, threads don't get deleted. They get moved to the Mod Forum where you can't see them.

It was pulled because it was seen to be insulting to a guy who is a genuine blue, a good guy and well liked by all who know him. How would you feel if someone started a thread that said "Is Robbo thick as two short planks?"