Freedom of speech - edited

[Prestwich_Blue]

Freedom of speech is fine so long as it's pro Israel, pro tory and anti fact.

Bizarre comment.

I'm an Arse.

Fixed.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

His own or grizzly bears?

Drinking your own doesn't get you a six pack. According to my mate.

No, it doesn't.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I just always think of cum when people say protein shakes.

Do you drink a lot of both then?

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

I just always think of cum when people say protein shakes.

Do you drink a lot of both then?

Yeah, I attend orgies and suck out the mess at the end.

And I shoplift protein shakes from my local Shell Garage.

I prefer the former.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Do you drink a lot of both then?

Yeah, I attend orgies and suck out the mess at the end.

And I shoplift protein shakes from my local Shell Garage.

I prefer the former.

At last I'm not alone

Wanna meet ?

I'm not gay, sorry.

 

[SWP's back]

Protein shakes?

Do you mean cum or actual protein shakes?

I've seen pics of SWP, probably a bit of both

Jealousy is a bitch eh.

 

[dronefromsector7g]

Do you mean cum or actual protein shakes?

I've seen pics of SWP, probably a bit of both

Jealousy is a bitch eh.

If you say so

 

[shadygiz]

Do you mean cum or actual protein shakes?

I've seen pics of SWP, probably a bit of both

Jealousy is a bitch eh.

deeply dippy ;)

 

[Skashion]

I don't think it's worth debating anything controversial on here any more so I shan't be bothering even attempting an opinion on anything more controversial than the flavour of crisps I prefer or how I can win £50 for being the last poster on a thread.

Yup, pretty depressing but the realisation has hit home in this thread.

It's not the subject but the manner of the debate that causes the problem. We've had our moments but I think that you and I have shown that it's possible to have completely diverging views but still have a fruitful and intelligent discussion, even it that becomes emotive. when it comes down to it, as I said, it's more important to me to remain friends than win or lose an argument and fall out over it. I also respect dazdon's views even if they are completely opposite to mine, because I feel they're genuinely held and have no malice behind them. I'd like to think we can go at it hammer and tongs then have a laugh together on another thread.

But we've seen that some, on both sides, have overstepped the mark and that's when threads or posts get pulled.

I spend quite a lot of my time trying to write informative posts backed up by facts to try to build some understanding of some of the more complex, especially political, topics. Sometimes I can spend half an hour or more posting some of my longer posts, and so many of them are ending up gone in the blink of an eye. Thing is, even though, occasionally, I might be the cause of what the mods think is a problem, although I haven't received any warnings or bans over my posts for quite a while, why should my better posts, or someone else's better posts be victims, to the posts where I or someone else has acted like a dick. Literally hundreds of my better posts must have been lost not from something I've done wrong but from someone else, often someone's views whom I'm opposing. You seem to think removing threads rather than deleting the offending posts and dealing individually with the offenders is a way to cool it down but it hasn't, rather the resentment is stored up and simmers and unleashes fresh next time rather than there being anything resolved. Then I come on here and the mods are all of the line of we haven't been strict enough... Clearly, my position of those of the mods are hugely separated. My view is the wholesale removal of complete threads is an overreaction and is actually a significant contributing factor of the issues here at the moment. The mods say it's not enough and you've been too lenient with us. Well, if that's the way it is, why would I bother contributing?

 

[jimbopm]

Yup, pretty depressing but the realisation has hit home in this thread.

It's not the subject but the manner of the debate that causes the problem. We've had our moments but I think that you and I have shown that it's possible to have completely diverging views but still have a fruitful and intelligent discussion, even it that becomes emotive. when it comes down to it, as I said, it's more important to me to remain friends than win or lose an argument and fall out over it. I also respect dazdon's views even if they are completely opposite to mine, because I feel they're genuinely held and have no malice behind them. I'd like to think we can go at it hammer and tongs then have a laugh together on another thread.

But we've seen that some, on both sides, have overstepped the mark and that's when threads or posts get pulled.

I spend quite a lot of my time trying to write informative posts backed up by facts to try to build some understanding of some of the more complex, especially political, topics. Sometimes I can spend half an hour or more posting some of my longer posts, and so many of them are ending up gone in the blink of an eye. Thing is, even though, occasionally, I might be the cause of what the mods think is a problem, although I haven't received any warnings or bans over my posts for quite a while, why should my better posts, or someone else's better posts be victims, to the posts where I or someone else has acted like a dick. Literally hundreds of my better posts must have been lost not from something I've done wrong but from someone else, often someone's views whom I'm opposing. You seem to think removing threads rather than deleting the offending posts and dealing individually with the offenders is a way to cool it down but it hasn't, rather the resentment is stored up and simmers and unleashes fresh next time rather than there being anything resolved. Then I come on here and the mods are all of the line of we haven't been strict enough... Clearly, my position of those of the mods are hugely separated. My view is the wholesale removal of complete threads is an overreaction and is actually a significant contributing factor of the issues here at the moment. The mods say it's not enough and you've been too lenient with us. Well, if that's the way it is, why would I bother contributing?

This. When the first Israel/Palestine thread started out all I wanted to do was throw my opinion out there. As the thread evolved and people like yourself got more involved it challenged me to do some more research. This is actually a positive thing.

I didn't mind the abuse so much because a) i've got a thick skin and b) i was getting so much out of learning about the issues and enjoying the debate. It is frustrating when the thread getss pulled, I can understand why the mods do it, but let's say you've been off the forum for a couple of days and you return to say 20 pages of new posts on a subject. The time you spend catching up, following any news links, doing your own reading and constructing a considered reply is huge, so to see it get pulled is a disappointment.

 

[Bill]

Yup, pretty depressing but the realisation has hit home in this thread.

It's not the subject but the manner of the debate that causes the problem. We've had our moments but I think that you and I have shown that it's possible to have completely diverging views but still have a fruitful and intelligent discussion, even it that becomes emotive. when it comes down to it, as I said, it's more important to me to remain friends than win or lose an argument and fall out over it. I also respect dazdon's views even if they are completely opposite to mine, because I feel they're genuinely held and have no malice behind them. I'd like to think we can go at it hammer and tongs then have a laugh together on another thread.

But we've seen that some, on both sides, have overstepped the mark and that's when threads or posts get pulled.

I spend quite a lot of my time trying to write informative posts backed up by facts to try to build some understanding of some of the more complex, especially political, topics. Sometimes I can spend half an hour or more posting some of my longer posts, and so many of them are ending up gone in the blink of an eye. Thing is, even though, occasionally, I might be the cause of what the mods think is a problem, although I haven't received any warnings or bans over my posts for quite a while, why should my better posts, or someone else's better posts be victims, to the posts where I or someone else has acted like a dick. Literally hundreds of my better posts must have been lost not from something I've done wrong but from someone else, often someone's views whom I'm opposing. You seem to think removing threads rather than deleting the offending posts and dealing individually with the offenders is a way to cool it down but it hasn't, rather the resentment is stored up and simmers and unleashes fresh next time rather than there being anything resolved. Then I come on here and the mods are all of the line of we haven't been strict enough... Clearly, my position of those of the mods are hugely separated. My view is the wholesale removal of complete threads is an overreaction and is actually a significant contributing factor of the issues here at the moment. The mods say it's not enough and you've been too lenient with us. Well, if that's the way it is, why would I bother contributing?

as you are one of the better posters on here I do feel for you and I think you make a good point. I always read your posts with interest. sadly as you say we do get "dicks" on here and after a fair bit of cleansing the threads are returned. then once on topic and without abuse or racism everything is fine........until the dicks see its returned and off we go again. I don't speak for all mods but to me its just not worth the hassle. if we cut it at source then there is no problem, nowhere for the racists to post so to speak. now of course it would be brilliant if people discussed this very emotive topic within the guidelines of the coc but that as we all know is never the case. its a shame because I and I'm sure others learn a lot from the contributions posters like yourself tend to make. strong words, fine, insults just can't stay out there.

I think its been asked before but on all topics, if you can't post within the coc (however strong your views) then don't post.

even I being an old fart can see that's only fair.

 

[SWP's back]

Where has the USA in Iraq again - thread gone?

 

[malg]

Where has the USA in Iraq again - thread gone?

Probably being amended to 'Brits bombing Iraq again' thread.

 

[dazdon]

I didn't see anything racist in the threads.

There were distasteful posts that could have upset offended a few people that only saw one view and one mindset, but in the main the posts were pretty restrained.

There were numerous posters explaining that they didn't agree with what Hamas were doing but were shocked at the response from the Israeli side because it was so disproportionate and those posters were explaining that UN schools and civilians shouldn't have been considered targets and the collateral damage was too severe for it to be warranted.

However (Let's call it the other side) were only interested in seeing it their own way and if you didn't see it their way which was/is that Israel is justified in bombing the Jesus out of Gaza indiscriminately then you are a terrorist sympathiser.

Even whispering the Jewish/Israeli lobby was enough to have the racist silencing tactic launched in your direction.

The same people who agree with Israels treament of the Palestinians are as one when it comes to eradicating the butchers of ISIS/IS with airstrikes without understanding how ISIS/IS came about and why they exist.

I have had the same conversations on here about UKIP and the EDL and some posters can't/wont differentiate between the two even after I have stated that the EDL are a bunch of thugs it wasn't good enough.....but in that discussion there were far more posters understanding that viewpoint without necessarily agreeing with it.

I'll agree at some point the mods have to make a decision on the commentary of the Israel situation, because that is what it had become it was happening and people were commenting on what was happening then in real time. But the decision to pull a thread seemed to be when the Pro-Israeli posters who were on the back foot constantly derailed threads.

Example.

UN school hit and 20 children killed.

Answer.

It's Hamas's fault they are killing their own people by default.

Which is a ridiculous answer isn't it?

The last thread that was pulled was about the Israel/jewish lobby myth when it's not a myth it's a reality.

But the Pro-Israelis (Not all of them) were only regurgitating the same pap that Mark Regev spouts in his propaganda reports.

 

[dazdon]

Where has the USA in Iraq again - thread gone?

Rendition has taken place :-)

 

[west didsblue]

I didn't see anything racist in the threads.

There were distasteful posts that could have upset offended a few people that only saw one view and one mindset, but in the main the posts were pretty restrained.

There were numerous posters explaining that they didn't agree with what Hamas were doing but were shocked at the response from the Israeli side because it was so disproportionate and those posters were explaining that UN schools and civilians shouldn't have been considered targets and the collateral damage was too severe for it to be warranted.

However (Let's call it the other side) were only interested in seeing it their own way and if you didn't see it their way which was/is that Israel is justified in bombing the Jesus out of Gaza indiscriminately then you are a terrorist sympathiser.
Even whispering the Jewish/Israeli lobby was enough to have the racist silencing tactic launched in your direction.
The same people who agree with Israels treament of the Palestinians are as one when it comes to eradicating the butchers of ISIS/IS with airstrikes without understanding how ISIS/IS came about and why they exist.

I have had the same conversations on here about UKIP and the EDL and some posters can't/wont differentiate between the two even after I have stated that the EDL are a bunch of thugs it wasn't good enough.....but in that discussion there were far more posters understanding that viewpoint without necessarily agreeing with it.

I'll agree at some point the mods have to make a decision on the commentary of the Israel situation, because that is what it had become it was happening and people were commenting on what was happening then in real time. But the decision to pull a thread seemed to be when the Pro-Israeli posters who were on the back foot constantly derailed threads.

Example.

UN school hit and 20 children killed.

Answer.

It's Hamas's fault they are killing their own people by default.

Which is a ridiculous answer isn't it?

The last thread that was pulled was about the Israel/jewish lobby myth when it's not a myth it's a reality.

But the Pro-Israelis (Not all of them) were only regurgitating the same pap that Mark Regev spouts in his propaganda reports.

I haven't seen a single post expressing the view that Israel is justified in "bombing the Jesus out of Gaza indiscriminately". I have seen very few actual accusatons of antisemitism but I've seen a hell of a lot of posters being overly sensitive and acting like they've been accused of antisemitism when certain comments are questioned.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I didn't see anything racist in the threads.

There were distasteful posts that could have upset offended a few people that only saw one view and one mindset, but in the main the posts were pretty restrained.

There were numerous posters explaining that they didn't agree with what Hamas were doing but were shocked at the response from the Israeli side because it was so disproportionate and those posters were explaining that UN schools and civilians shouldn't have been considered targets and the collateral damage was too severe for it to be warranted.

However (Let's call it the other side) were only interested in seeing it their own way and if you didn't see it their way which was/is that Israel is justified in bombing the Jesus out of Gaza indiscriminately then you are a terrorist sympathiser.

Even whispering the Jewish/Israeli lobby was enough to have the racist silencing tactic launched in your direction.

The same people who agree with Israels treament of the Palestinians are as one when it comes to eradicating the butchers of ISIS/IS with airstrikes without understanding how ISIS/IS came about and why they exist.

I have had the same conversations on here about UKIP and the EDL and some posters can't/wont differentiate between the two even after I have stated that the EDL are a bunch of thugs it wasn't good enough.....but in that discussion there were far more posters understanding that viewpoint without necessarily agreeing with it.

I'll agree at some point the mods have to make a decision on the commentary of the Israel situation, because that is what it had become it was happening and people were commenting on what was happening then in real time. But the decision to pull a thread seemed to be when the Pro-Israeli posters who were on the back foot constantly derailed threads.

Example.

UN school hit and 20 children killed.

Answer.

It's Hamas's fault they are killing their own people by default.

Which is a ridiculous answer isn't it?

The last thread that was pulled was about the Israel/jewish lobby myth when it's not a myth it's a reality.

But the Pro-Israelis (Not all of them) were only regurgitating the same pap that Mark Regev spouts in his propaganda reports.

and he's off and running again :-)

Try re-reading that post with a completely open mind.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Skashion has a strong valid point, why should the more enlightened bother contributing well researched posts for those of us that are reading the forum and want to learn something about current issues, only to see them removed. Perhaps the offending posts should be removed and the thread returned locked so that we can at least see what was written by the more informed amongst us.

 

[hgblue]

I didn't see anything racist in the threads.

There were distasteful posts that could have upset offended a few people that only saw one view and one mindset, but in the main the posts were pretty restrained.

There were numerous posters explaining that they didn't agree with what Hamas were doing but were shocked at the response from the Israeli side because it was so disproportionate and those posters were explaining that UN schools and civilians shouldn't have been considered targets and the collateral damage was too severe for it to be warranted.

However (Let's call it the other side) were only interested in seeing it their own way and if you didn't see it their way which was/is that Israel is justified in bombing the Jesus out of Gaza indiscriminately then you are a terrorist sympathiser.

Even whispering the Jewish/Israeli lobby was enough to have the racist silencing tactic launched in your direction.

The same people who agree with Israels treament of the Palestinians are as one when it comes to eradicating the butchers of ISIS/IS with airstrikes without understanding how ISIS/IS came about and why they exist.

I have had the same conversations on here about UKIP and the EDL and some posters can't/wont differentiate between the two even after I have stated that the EDL are a bunch of thugs it wasn't good enough.....but in that discussion there were far more posters understanding that viewpoint without necessarily agreeing with it.

I'll agree at some point the mods have to make a decision on the commentary of the Israel situation, because that is what it had become it was happening and people were commenting on what was happening then in real time. But the decision to pull a thread seemed to be when the Pro-Israeli posters who were on the back foot constantly derailed threads.

Example.

UN school hit and 20 children killed.

Answer.

It's Hamas's fault they are killing their own people by default.

Which is a ridiculous answer isn't it?

The last thread that was pulled was about the Israel/jewish lobby myth when it's not a myth it's a reality.

But the Pro-Israelis (Not all of them) were only regurgitating the same pap that Mark Regev spouts in his propaganda reports.

and he's off and running again :-)

Try re-reading that post with a completely open mind.

I think he believes he's open minded and anyone who disagrees with him isn't? Which is the problem with these threads in a nutshell.

 

[malg]

Skashion has a strong valid point, why should the more enlightened bother contributing well researched posts for those of us that are reading the forum and want to learn something about current issues, only to see them removed. Perhaps the offending posts should be removed and the thread returned locked so that we can at least see what was written by the more informed amongst us.

To be honest, no one should be reading any posts on here to learn something about current issues, as the posters will be putting their own slant on it. There are some relatively interesting discussions between certain posters on subjects, but far too often now those discussions degenerate into abuse (yesterday was a good example of threads descending into pages of abuse).