French Tunisian and Kuwait Terrorist attacks {merged}

[Rascal]

The author of that article you posted pretends to though.

It is interesting though nonetheless. Raises points you do not usually see so worthy of discussion rather than dismissal i would have thought.

 

[Dubai Blue]

30 UK citizens are dead in the largest loss of British life since the July 7th bombings. Islamic state has claimed responsibility. We know where they live. If that's not time to fire up the jets, I don't know what is.

But the battle is against an ideology, not an army. The 9/11 terrorists were said to have received training in Afghanistan, so we bombed the place to pieces. Didn't change anything though, did it? In fact, it made the situation even worse as it supported the narrative of the West oppressing Muslims in the Middle East.

Bombing ISIS may well be necessary for a variety of other reasons, but it isn't the response that's needed to this particular scenario. It would achieve nothing other than make us all feel a bit better for a few days.

 

[Blue Smarties]

Happy to read that it won't be long until we're dropping bombs over IS strongholds in Syria. Military action is a must.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It is interesting though nonetheless. Raises points you do not usually see so worthy of discussion rather than dismissal i would have thought.

It's the same, tired old clichés used by the left to justify the unjustifiable. Read about the history of the Muslim Brotherhood, which dates back to the 1920`s. That was the organisation that first set out the call for Sharia to be the major factor in statehood rather than just a religious set of beliefs. They also called for the reestablishment of the caliphate.

I think Qutb left them because they weren't radical enough for him. Bin Laden certainly accused them of being too soft & betraying Qutb's beliefs.

The point is that basic roots of Islamic fundamentalism were established 20 years before Israel came into existence and over 60 years before Saddam Hussein was overthrown.

 

[whp.blue]

It's the same, tired old clichés used by the left to justify the unjustifiable. Read about the history of the Muslim Brotherhood, which dates back to the 1920`s. That was the organisation that first set out the call for Sharia to be the major factor in statehood rather than just a religious set of beliefs. They also called for the reestablishment of the caliphate.

I think Qutb left them because they weren't radical enough for him. Bin Laden certainly accused them of being too soft & betraying Qutb's beliefs.

The point is that basic roots of Islamic fundamentalism were established 20 years before Israel came into existence and over 60 years before Saddam Hussein was overthrown.

All of this may be true but it will not stop some Muslim sycophants blaming it all on the Jews!

 

[west didsblue]

Here is a view unlikely to be seen in mainstream media and unlikely to be popular. It is from the Morning Star.

https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-ee84-Bombs-wont-end-Islamism#.VZIfpUbfq-c






"POSSIBLY the worst response to the crimes of the Islamic State (Isis) death cult is, as David Cameron did, to claim that it poses an “existential threat” to our way of life.

To imagine that modern states where people have fought for generations to build democracy and an increasingly secular society will bow the knee to this barbaric development shows little confidence in “our system of values.”

Cameron’s professed recourse to a “full spectrum response” explains partly why some people have fallen for this obscurantist brutal sect.

He portrays Western nations as hapless victims of Isis as though Nato and its member states have played no role in the terror group’s development.

The text of his “basic rules in terms of our engagement” with imams, Muslim communities and organisations betrays an imperialist mindset by citing a view that “it’s all right to be a suicide bomber in Israel.”

The key question is not about how bombs are delivered — by an individual wearing a bomb belt or by high-altitude state-of-the-art warplanes provided by the US military-industrial complex.

Cameron’s “basic rules” effectively demand complicity by Britain’s Muslim communities in Israel’s blood-soaked occupation of Palestinian land.

Killing over 2,000 Palestinians, including 500 children, in a gory onslaught against Gaza is no less terrorist than an individual suicide bomber detonating explosives in a bus, train or restaurant.

Where Cameron departs from most people in Britain — not just Muslims — is that he justifies Israel’s crimes because he sees Tel Aviv as a reliable ally in an unstable region.

And why is it unstable? Could it be the legacy of British and French colonialism, the installation of pliable autocrats in local remnants of the Ottoman empire and ongoing Nato military backing of these dictators?

Could the instability be related to the plethora of US-led imperialist wars that destroyed state power in Iraq and Libya, leaving the way clear for Isis-linked groups?

Supporters of this succession of illegal invasions and of Israel’s colonisation of Palestinian land would have us believe that there is no link.

But this flies in the face of both logic and the justifications offered by people attracted to religion-influenced extremism.

Cameron’s invocation of democracy will ring hollow in most Arab states, where secular democratic opposition movements, often linked to the left, existed but were oppressed with Western approval or silence.

Abstract calls for democracy will fall on deaf ears until it can be shown to deliver.

Electorates throughout much of the Middle East and Africa may vote for economic progress, but Western domination of global trade and finance depresses living standards for most people.

Frustration at this situation can express itself in efforts to migrate to economically advanced countries or support for Isis.

Cameron attacks others for their supposed “put your head in the sand” stance, but he is guilty of this, believing that the world can remain unchanged, with the same global injustices, and that Isis can be defeated by a combination of aerial bombing, military backing for Western-approved governments and greater reliance on security services.

He’s living in a fool’s paradise. Those made desperate and susceptible to jihadist ideology cannot be defeated militarily.

Cameron claims to champion an “integrated, democratic, successful, multiracial Britain.”

But such a positive aim must be mirrored in a foreign policy based on solidarity, joint endeavour and mutual respect rather than capitalism’s beggar-thy-neighbour approach that prizes oil reserves and other resources over equality, civil rights, democratic accountability and human development."

Do you remember this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxor_massacre
62 people, mostly foreign tourists, were killed in Egypt by Islamist gunmen.

This was in 1997, before 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan and before the 2nd Palestinian Intifada. In fact, it was soon after the Oslo Accords so the Israel/Palestine peace process was actually in a relatively good state with hope on both sides.

Blaming US "imperialist wars" or the Israel / Palestine situation for the actions of ISIS and other Jihadist groups is basically just wrong. They do what they do because they want to impose their way of life on all "Muslim lands" and because they want to kill infidels. Simple as that.

 

[Damocles]

The point is that basic roots of Islamic fundamentalism were established 20 years before Israel came into existence and over 60 years before Saddam Hussein was overthrown.

Islamic fascism has no more to do with Israel than it has to do with Sealand. It is a red rag to a bull certainly, but most of them give more of a shit about Eskan Village than they do Israel.

And as you point out, it's a much older problem than Israel and I'd argue goes back to the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and has its roots in the 15th and 16th centuries. This isn't an issue that has grown up over night, it's centuries of hatred evolving over time and the increased media presence since 9/11 has just fuelled the fires and helped them recruit.

 

[Rascal]

It's the same, tired old clichés used by the left to justify the unjustifiable. Read about the history of the Muslim Brotherhood, which dates back to the 1920`s. That was the organisation that first set out the call for Sharia to be the major factor in statehood rather than just a religious set of beliefs. They also called for the reestablishment of the caliphate.

I think Qutb left them because they weren't radical enough for him. Bin Laden certainly accused them of being too soft & betraying Qutb's beliefs.

The point is that basic roots of Islamic fundamentalism were established 20 years before Israel came into existence and over 60 years before Saddam Hussein was overthrown.

As i said, im more interested in why the West ignores the Socialist Kurds than anything else. That it appears the case that any left wing thinking is eradicated from the narrative is the most important tenet of the piece i posted.

Nobody will answer the question as to why the West appears more scared of Socialism than Jihad. To me it is fairly obvious that the forces of Neo Liberalism need Jihad for them to continue in there policy of western subjugation. That Isreal embraces Neo Liberalism is by the by

 

[west didsblue]

As i said, im more interested in why the West ignores the Socialist Kurds than anything else. That it appears the case that any left wing thinking is eradicated from the narrative is the most important tenet of the piece i posted.

Nobody will answer the question as to why the West appears more scared of Socialism than Jihad. To me it is fairly obvious that the forces of Neo Liberalism need Jihad for them to continue in there policy of western subjugation. That Isreal embraces Neo Liberalism is by the by

I suspect that it is more to do with keeping the Turks onside rather than a fear of Kurdish Socialism.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Islamic fascism has no more to do with Israel than it has to do with Sealand. It is a red rag to a bull certainly, but most of them give more of a shit about Eskan Village than they do Israel.

And as you point out, it's a much older problem than Israel and I'd argue goes back to the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and has its roots in the 15th and 16th centuries. This isn't an issue that has grown up over night, it's centuries of hatred evolving over time and the increased media presence since 9/11 has just fuelled the fires and helped them recruit.

Correct. But this also means it is a fundamental problem within Islam and not the lone wolf odd bunch of nutters problem that it is frequently portrayed as by some.