Full Backs?

Age isn't that big a factor to certain professional players. One thing I've always noticed is that brazilians can usually play at a high level longer than their counterparts (look at our Dinho for example). This is partly why Im liking the Sandro links alot, because he can be that kind of fullback for us until he's 34 or 35 years old.

Dani Alves is an example of this, he just turned 34, but he has so much talent that he will be able to play for atleast 2 more years at the top level. Barcelona missed him big time.

It's also not that big a risk because older players are much cheaper to get, and also Pep has a relationship with him already.

It might not be a risk financially, but it's a huge risk if he turns out to be shit and we let teams like Everton and Southampton beat us because part of the defence is too old and slow.

We don't have a multi-billionaire owner for nothing - just pay what it takes to guarantee a huge improvement in the first XI and overtake those annoying gobshites from Stamford fucking Bridge.
 
Age is a factor for every player. Your example Dihno has been poorer this season than his last few, and their is a strong suggestion age was a factor. And he is only 31.

Players lose form at different ages, some earlier, Ronaldihno by 28 -29, and others later. But the older you get, the higher the chance you are about to lose form.

Playing in Italy, where football is significantly slower than any other top 5 league, and playing for Juve, the best defensive team in that slow league, often overrates the transferability of most Italian league players. And by extension their defenders.

I would rather we passed on him. I understand others won't.
You need to read carefully, obviously at some point age is a factor, but it isn't THAT BIG of a factor for certain players until they are way older. Your analysis on Dinho is plain wrong, any degredation you see in his game isn't anything that comes with age. Is he slower, does he have less stamina? No so that doesn't make sense. Also you mention he plays for Juve then ignore the most important part, they use PURE WINGBACKS which is the hardest role physically. He needs tons of pace and stamina to track back to defend and attack. Because of this you want to ignore all of Juve's defenders because its Serie A? You don't want Alex Sandro I presume as well?
 
I won't take him. Its simply risky to take guys in their 30s and hope they keep form. The likelihood of a catastrophic drop rises with every passing year. At 34, it very well could be next season for him

Best we ignore his present performance in that "easier on defenders" club he plays for and find someone more appropriate.
Players age & fall off the cliff at different rates,all depends on how one takes care of his body..Even at 34,he walks into every PL team and Europe's top teams bar Madrid.Would only have him here as a backup to say Walker mind you,as it's certainly better than retaining Navas as backup if we're not willing to spend on two new RBs.
Not having a dig,but the notion that Serie A is 'slower' or that Juve players only look good cause of the 'system' is actually very lazy..First with Bonucci now Alves..Assuming Alex Sandro,
Chiellini and Barzagli too? Ironically,Napoli's Chiriches,a PL flop,is the 'most appropriate' CB there.
Juve are on their way to a treble and would run away with the PL.Serie A is still competitive football not some ancient football friendlies.Roma,Napoli, Atalanta,Lazio would give the PL 'top 6' teams a run for their money.Get what you're saying particularly about his age, Maicon obviously springs to mind,the rest we'll agree to disagree.
 
@WallyA and @Edwin Edwin, I enjoy these discussions but there are others who don't and whine about these types of back and forth. So best to leave it where we have it to keep the masses happy.

As to Wally's question regarding Sandro, yea I'm a bit wary of him. I think he has great tools, athletism, technical skill, speed and aggression. But a poor footballing brain. Often overdribbles, gets bogged down in toughness skirmishes with opponents. And tries the fantastic way too often. At 70 million, an unacceptable risk if you ask me. What if he never gets it?
 
You need to read carefully, obviously at some point age is a factor, but it isn't THAT BIG of a factor for certain players until they are way older. Your analysis on Dinho is plain wrong, any degredation you see in his game isn't anything that comes with age. Is he slower, does he have less stamina? No so that doesn't make sense. Also you mention he plays for Juve then ignore the most important part, they use PURE WINGBACKS which is the hardest role physically. He needs tons of pace and stamina to track back to defend and attack. Because of this you want to ignore all of Juve's defenders because its Serie A? You don't want Alex Sandro I presume as well?
Juve haven't used the 3-5-2 anywhere near as much this season, Allegri seems to prefer a 4 man backline.
 
@WallyA and @Edwin Edwin, I enjoy these discussions but there are others who don't and whine about these types of back and forth. So best to leave it where we have it to keep the masses happy.

As to Wally's question regarding Sandro, yea I'm a bit wary of him. I think he has great tools, athletism, technical skill, speed and aggression. But a poor footballing brain. Often overdribbles, gets bogged down in toughness skirmishes with opponents. And tries the fantastic way too often. At 70 million, an unacceptable risk if you ask me. What if he never gets it?
I agree. Buying Sandro for 70 million is absurd even though he is one of the best left backs in the world.
 
We've been linked to Sandro, Kolasinac, Mendy, Gaya on the left and Walker, Fabinho and Bellerin on the right side. Of those, Kolasinac and Walker seem the most likely but has anyone seen Kolasinac play?
 
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@WallyA and @Edwin Edwin, I enjoy these discussions but there are others who don't and whine about these types of back and forth. So best to leave it where we have it to keep the masses happy.

As to Wally's question regarding Sandro, yea I'm a bit wary of him. I think he has great tools, athletism, technical skill, speed and aggression. But a poor footballing brain. Often overdribbles, gets bogged down in toughness skirmishes with opponents. And tries the fantastic way too often. At 70 million, an unacceptable risk if you ask me. What if he never gets it?
We will have to disagree about Sandro, but I will agree with you on the price, not worth 70m. I don't think there is any defender I'd want worth that much (maybe Marcelo). If Mendy is 40-45m then I'd much prefer that option. As you stated the problem with alot of money is what if it doesn't work, but I think more importantly, what if they get injured? Will feel like such a waste if we didn't find a suitable young cheap backup as well (maybe youth).
 
Juve haven't used the 3-5-2 anywhere near as much this season, Allegri seems to prefer a 4 man backline.
Juve used 352 to neutralize Barcelona in the champions league. Quite recently. Yes there prefer 442 a bit now but occassionally they will use to counter certain opposition.
 

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