Full Backs?

WallyA said:
Alves and Marcelo represent that kind of fullback who has a COMPLETE game in every sense. They can defend, dribble, pass, shoot, cross, and have stamina to track back and forth. It makes me think of the idea that "the best fullbacks are failed wingers", both Marcelo and Alves have played as a wingers very early in their careers.

So thinking like this... what about poaching Middlesborough's Adama Traore? They will be relegated so should be easy to get him. He has lightning pace, and ridiculous dribbling. He's quite young, so I wonder if Pep can mold him into a RB. Thoughts on the crazy idea?
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Yes. Absolute yes on Adama Traore as a fullback. He'll be immense
 
Adama Traore!? Seriously? Relegated winger as our full back?
Why not sign Seb Larson as a striker while we're at it, if the ambition is to finish somewhere between Stoke and West Brom.

Ffs, we are Manchester City, twice recent champions, richest owner in world football and with Pep Guardiola as manager! Fucking sign two from Kyle Walker, David Alaba, Fabinho, Alex Sandro or Danny Rose and don't even think about average/shit players from average/shit teams! I'm already fucking sick of Chelsea and now even Spuds being better than us, we have to improve the first team, not make more Rodwell/Sinclair/Fernando/Delph standard signings.
 
There's more intelligence and ability to actually make a simple pass let alone produce any kind of end product in Titus Bramble's left bollock than there is in Traore's whole body.

But such horseshit ideas make people think they sound cool and innovative and have a better grasp on 'modern football'. Whatever helps them sleep at night.
 
pudge said:
There's more intelligence and ability to actually make a simple pass let alone produce any kind of end product in Titus Bramble's left bollock than there is in Traore's whole body.

But such horseshit ideas make people think they sound cool and innovative and have a better grasp on 'modern football'. Whatever helps them sleep at night.
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I'm not sure Dax sleeps.
 
Pablo1 said:
I'm not sure Dax sleeps.
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Dude that fool has been bitch commenting on everything I say for months now. I just ignore him. I sleep just fine by the way. And he is smart enough not to be direct, that way he doesn't look so stupid when the so called "unusual idea" works great.
WallyA said:
Dude you watching Dani Alves right now? Absolutely terrorizing Monaco.
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Jist finished watching. He played well but this changes very little. My issue is not that he lacks the capacity to play well, but rather that he carries the risk of breaking down. So pointing out he had a great game isn't the issue.

By the way, he wasn't half as impressive in the 2nd half. Got caught on the ball 3 times. Took a few counter attacks off. And couldn't stay with the crosser on Mbappe's goal.

It begs the question, Did he tire? And if so, was that due to age?

That said, it takes nothing away from his phenomenal game. But I'm trying to project into next February, March and April. Do I think he can handle the grind? Not so sure.

@domalino On the other side, thought Sand to was doing a good rendition of his over elaboration and a series of unintelligent decisions. He is simply not very football smart.
 
The Riot Club said:
Adama Traore!? Seriously? Relegated winger as our full back?
Why not sign Seb Larson as a striker while we're at it, if the ambition is to finish somewhere between Stoke and West Brom.

Ffs, we are Manchester City, twice recent champions, richest owner in world football and with Pep Guardiola as manager! Fucking sign two from Kyle Walker, David Alaba, Fabinho, Alex Sandro or Danny Rose and don't even think about average/shit players from average/shit teams! I'm already fucking sick of Chelsea and now even Spuds being better than us, we have to improve the first team, not make more Rodwell/Sinclair/Fernando/Delph standard signings.
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I don't think anyone disagrees (I don't, certainly) that we need a top class natural right and left back. But I'd rather have a young player with raw potential like Traore that Pep can help mould into a wing-back (reckon he could do a Moses/Chamberlain/Rose type switch) than Navas (also a winger with poor attacking stats, but 31) as our back up RB next season.
 
Today one newspaper here in Portugal says Benfica president has met with Man City director for Nelson Semedo. Love this player, great tecnhique, very fast, young.... Dont know if thats true.
 
Alonso played for Sunderland, Moses was on loan with Stoke and they still prove that they are good enough to play for Chelsea and win the league.
 
Txiki should send scouts to Brazil regardless of what he does this summer. A lot of these world class fullbacks come from Brazil to Porto/Benfica and from there they go to top clubs to become world class.
 
rollingnakedinmoney said:
Txiki should send scouts to Brazil regardless of what he does this summer. A lot of these world class fullbacks come from Brazil to Porto/Benfica and from there they go to top clubs to become world class.
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We can't sign random Brazilian teenagers buy the dozen though so it doesn't really work as a plan. Portugal doesn't require work permits for Brazilians, so they can take punts on lots of these kids and some of them make the grade, but an English team wouldn't stand a chance of getting work permits for these sorts of players.
 
BigOscar said:
We can't sign random Brazilian teenagers buy the dozen though so it doesn't really work as a plan. Portugal doesn't require work permits for Brazilians, so they can take punts on lots of these kids and some of them make the grade, but an English team wouldn't stand a chance of getting work permits for these sorts of players.
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Who said anything about random Brazilian teenagers? Gabriel Jesus was 19 years old and he came from Brazil, he wasn't a random teenager. Imagine getting him from Porto or Juventus, it would've been 100 million like Mbappe.
 
rollingnakedinmoney said:
Who said anything about random Brazilian teenagers? Gabriel Jesus was 19 years old and he came from Brazil, he wasn't a random teenager. Imagine getting him from Porto or Juventus, it would've been 100 million like Mbappe.
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Well you talked about the sort of player the likes of Benfica and Porto buy and they certainly aren't £27m proven internationals like Gabriel Jesus. Danilo and Alex Sandro both cost about £6-8m and involved some fairly dodgy third party shenanigans iirc. Neither would have stood a chance of getting a work permit to come to England. Getting players from Brazil to England is an absolute nightmare
 
BigOscar said:
Well you talked about the sort of player the likes of Benfica and Porto buy and they certainly aren't £27m proven internationals like Gabriel Jesus. Danilo and Alex Sandro both cost about £6-8m and involved some fairly dodgy third party shenanigans iirc. Neither would have stood a chance of getting a work permit to come to England. Getting players from Brazil to England is an absolute nightmare
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Chelsea got Kenedy, he never played for Brazil's senior team, only for lower age groups.

Gabriel Jesus had mostly played for their U-23 and Olympic team, he made his senior debut for Brazil after he signed with us.

Top 5 fullbacks like Marcelo, Alex Sandro, Felipe Luis, Dani Alves as well as legends like Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Maicon all came from Brazil and they all played for Brazil at various age groups before coming to Europe. It's the country that defined the attacking fullback and they're churning out quality fullbacks like a factory. It's good to scout that country.
 
rollingnakedinmoney said:
Chelsea got Kenedy, he never played for Brazil's senior team, only for lower age groups.

Gabriel Jesus had mostly played for their U-23 and Olympic team, he made his senior debut for Brazil after he signed with us.

Top 5 fullbacks like Marcelo, Alex Sandro, Felipe Luis, Dani Alves as well as legends like Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Maicon all came from Brazil and they all played for Brazil at various age groups before coming to Europe. It's the country that defined the attacking fullback and they're churning out quality fullbacks like a factory. It's good to scout that country.
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About 7 to 9 of the top 20 fullbacks in Europe may just be Brazilian. That's a huge share for a country that's not even in Europe :-)
 
Dax777 said:
About 7 to 9 of the top 20 fullbacks in Europe may just be Brazilian. That's a huge share for a country that's not even in Europe :-)
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Historically as well: Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Maicon, Carlos Alberto, Branco, Djalma Santos, Nilton Santos..

Historically Brazil played 4-3-3 and 4-4-2 double 6 without classic wingers crossing in from the byline but with playmakers, so Brazilian fullbacks covered the entire flank up and down. They produce great attacking fullbacks.

You can take some of their fullbacks and play them like wingers in Europe, like Michel Bastos who was Brazil's fullback in WC 2010 but played as a winger for Lyon. You could possibly do that with Dani Alves and Marcelo today.
 
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