Gabriel Jesus

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really wish we cracked the 3 at the back this first half of the season. pretty sure pep didn't try much 3 at the back at the first season at bayern, but he tried it a fair few times here. maybe it's because he thinks the fullbacks are crap and not worth using or he was gearing up to use a 3-5-2 formation.
would love to see g. jesus up top with aguero. it would allow aguero to not be the only one pressing up top, might help get aguero get a bit of service, or allow g. jesus to work on the shoulder and aguero to drop into space between the lines.

not sure i like the idea of putting jesus on the left wing. firstly that's where my boy sane plays and with de bruyne and aguero central, we have enough goal threat through the middle, we need someone to attack the byline and not cut inside (which is why i love sane left and sterling right).

You see the goal 'your boi' Sane scored v Arsenal?????? Well imagine 3 players interchangable at doing just that... Headaches galore for opposing managers and if it clicks, one of the most frightening 3 in Europe in 18 months time..

Same............Jesus.............sterling
 
You see the goal 'your boi' Sane scored v Arsenal?????? Well imagine 3 players interchangable at doing just that... Headaches galore for opposing managers and if it clicks, one of the most frightening 3 in Europe in 18 months time..

Same............Jesus.............sterling
hopefully we put out a defence which will do our attacking players justice
 
really wish we cracked the 3 at the back this first half of the season. pretty sure pep didn't try much 3 at the back at the first season at bayern, but he tried it a fair few times here. maybe it's because he thinks the fullbacks are crap and not worth using or he was gearing up to use a 3-5-2 formation.
would love to see g. jesus up top with aguero. it would allow aguero to not be the only one pressing up top, might help get aguero get a bit of service, or allow g. jesus to work on the shoulder and aguero to drop into space between the lines.

not sure i like the idea of putting jesus on the left wing. firstly that's where my boy sane plays and with de bruyne and aguero central, we have enough goal threat through the middle, we need someone to attack the byline and not cut inside (which is why i love sane left and sterling right).
I like the idea of that, but think Sterling and Sane are wasted as wingbacks, and secondly not vey good ones. I just see a front three of any 3 from Aguero, Jesus, Sane and Sterling. With Nolito, Roberts and Iheanacho in reserve.
 
Personally I'd of gone with the latter (;

Again some are unable to grasp what is actually written, if there's one person I'd be listening to with regards to the kids attributes it's @Neville Kneville...

Where the hell this idea of a poor first touch has manifested from I have no idea...

On the flip side, he is being hyped up, and it 'could' be detrimental to his impact, however, having watched him numerous times, I'm convinced he's the type of player who may feed off the excitement that is resonating.... The problem we have with a number of our core support is not affording players time (should it be a slow start)...

One thing is for sure though is he's expected to be the 'new' face of MCFC, it will be what half the sales pitch was about, replacing the old guard and bringing in the new era... No pressure then (:

As you say, Gabriel is for the long-term and potentially could be our future. If he develops the way that I and many others think he can, he will propel this club to new heights. But as Pep says, we might have to be patient and help the kid along as much as possible as the settling in period could be tough.

What we don't need is the 'Richard Edghill brigade' getting on his back should he not start like a world-beater.
 
Thanks for that.

It would tally with what I have heard Tim Vickery day.
Especially first touch , he seems very excited by him.

And he was spot on with Otamendi.

Yeh it's not like he's got a bad first touch, he's got an excellent first touch, he's just prone to taking the odd heavy touch - similar to Iheanacho.

I don't want it to sound like I'm saying he's got poor technique because he really hasn't, he's got got excellent technique. But when you look at our top players - DeBruyne, Silva, Yaya, Aguero etc, you don't see them ever take a heavy touch or overrun the ball. I'm sure Gabriel will get to that level, but he's 19 so he's still prone to the odd mistake.

I love Tim Vickery's passion, he knows his South American football. But he said Paulinho was a far better player than Fernandinho and said he was more excited by Marlos Moreno than Gabriel Jesus, so I think he's prone to the odd misjudgement ;-)
 
Hahaha - perfect response.

I had to resist the temptation to reply to the other post that mentioned his dodgy first touch as I wasn't quite sure what to write without it sounding confrontational.

Hahaha! You're using his career highlights video as justification that he never has a heavy touch?! Seriously?! Hahaha!

As I've clarified above mate, his technique and touch are excellent. But he's 19 and still developing. He does have the odd heavy touch and overruns the ball every now and again. Similar to how Iheanacho does. I wouldn't say Iheanacho has bad technique, but he's still developing.

I doubt there are many Youtube compilation videos of Gabriel's or Iheanacho's heavy touches, but that doesn't mean they don't have the odd one.

I think he's going to be brilliant for us, I'm really excited to see him, but people saying he's more intelligent than Aguero, better than Anelka was at that age, and already has technique as good as Aguero's, they're setting him up for a fail and putting too much pressure on the lad.

I probably want him to succeed more than anyone we've ever bought because he's got the potential to be a superstar. But I feel some are expecting too much too soon from him.
 
I love Tim Vickery's passion, he knows his South American football. But he said Paulinho was a far better player than Fernandinho and said he was more excited by Marlos Moreno than Gabriel Jesus, so I think he's prone to the odd misjudgement ;-)

He also said, when at the height of his powers, that he couldn't understand the hype around Zabba and that he didn't personally rate him.
Not the biggest Vickery fan myself.
Am sure he watches a lot of South American footie, but he talks a good game for me. Coupled with the fact that he is regularly on talkspurt as well, puts him further down in my estimations!
 
He also said, when at the height of his powers, that he couldn't understand the hype around Zabba and that he didn't personally rate him.
Not the biggest Vickery fan myself.
Am sure he watches a lot of South American footie, but he talks a good game for me. Coupled with the fact that he is regularly on talkspurt as well, puts him further down in my estimations!

Yeh i think the fact he knows the history of all these players and has uses the authentic pronunciation of their names let's him get instant respect. It doesn't make him a good judge of a player though.

There's loads of fans on here who've watched hundreds of City games and are lousy judges of players. There's even the odd one who shouts from the rooftops about how exceptional our youth players have been and better than the first team, only for them to be never heard of again and fail to even make it as a pro.

Watching a lot of football and having a loud voice doesn't necessarily make you a good judge of a footballer.
 
i think regarding his first touch, the quality of playing surface he'll get in england compared to brazil will make a lot of difference. in lots of the youtube highlights i've seen, the ball was bouncing everywhere when passed.
 
Hahaha! You're using his career highlights video as justification that he never has a heavy touch?! Seriously?! Hahaha!

As I've clarified above mate, his technique and touch are excellent. But he's 19 and still developing. He does have the odd heavy touch and overruns the ball every now and again. Similar to how Iheanacho does. I wouldn't say Iheanacho has bad technique, but he's still developing.

I doubt there are many Youtube compilation videos of Gabriel's or Iheanacho's heavy touches, but that doesn't mean they don't have the odd one.

I think he's going to be brilliant for us, I'm really excited to see him, but people saying he's more intelligent than Aguero, better than Anelka was at that age, and already has technique as good as Aguero's, they're setting him up for a fail and putting too much pressure on the lad.

I probably want him to succeed more than anyone we've ever bought because he's got the potential to be a superstar. But I feel some are expecting too much too soon from him.
Agree. In the Brazilian league last season only two players had more "unsuccessful touches" (108) than him. He did also have the fifth most unsuccessful take ons and only 20th most succeeded ones. This is nothing strange from a young player and if anything it shows he doesnt hide after a bad action. But reading some of the posts in here you seem to think he will be a guaranteed starter, some thinks he'll take the PL by storm and one even saying that he's better than Firmino which is a big doubt for me.

He's already a very good player and one of the best 19yo players in the world. But having those kind of expectations can't do anything good I feel. If he's doing his best Memphis impression during these first months I'd obviously be a bit worried, but I wouldnt write of him at all as hes 19yo and coming from another continent to the Premier League. It wouldnt be strange if he needed a few months to adapt.

Once again I have to say that I think he's a very good player that some day will be world class. But I don't think he will be a starter week in week out this season and if that is the case I hope our fans stands by him and give him the support he'll need instead off whining at him and start doubting his obvious talent.
 
Agree. In the Brazilian league last season only two players had more "unsuccessful touches" (108) than him. He did also have the fifth most unsuccessful take ons and only 20th most succeeded ones. This is nothing strange from a young player and if anything it shows he doesnt hide after a bad action. But reading some of the posts in here you seem to think he will be a guaranteed starter, some thinks he'll take the PL by storm and one even saying that he's better than Firmino which is a big doubt for me.

He's already a very good player and one of the best 19yo players in the world. But having those kind of expectations can't do anything good I feel. If he's doing his best Memphis impression during these first months I'd obviously be a bit worried, but I wouldnt write of him at all as hes 19yo and coming from another continent to the Premier League. It wouldnt be strange if he needed a few months to adapt.

Once again I have to say that I think he's a very good player that some day will be world class. But I don't think he will be a starter week in week out this season and if that is the case I hope our fans stands by him and give him the support he'll need instead off whining at him and start doubting his obvious talent.

Great post mate, thanks for sharing. Where did you get the statistic of his 108 "unsuccessful touches" last season from? I'd be very interested to see how that stat compares with Aguero, Tevez, DeBruyne, Silva, Yaya etc who people have compared his technique to.

I'm surprised he had the third most heavy touches in the entire Brazilian league. From what I've seen he does have some room for improvement in that area, but that stat does seem excessively high. Particularly considering that he doesn't have a single bad touch in his Youtube highlights video ;-)
 
Great post mate, thanks for sharing. Where did you get the statistic of his 108 "unsuccessful touches" last season from? I'd be very interested to see how that stat compares with Aguero, Tevez, DeBruyne, Silva, Yaya etc who people have compared his technique to.

I'm surprised he had the third most heavy touches in the entire Brazilian league. From what I've seen he does have some room for improvement in that area, but that stat does seem excessively high. Particularly considering that he doesn't have a single bad touch in his Youtube highlights video ;-)
Cheers mate. It was from whoscored.com .
In comparison Aguero had the most unsuccessful touches in our team last season with 59. De Bruyne second with 42 (Yaya 25 and Silva 20). However as someone else pointed out the pitches in Brazil are not PL quality and that may affect his numbers. He also played at least 300 more minutes than the players I previous mentioned from City last season.
 
Hahaha! You're using his career highlights video as justification that he never has a heavy touch?! Seriously?! Hahaha!

As I've clarified above mate, his technique and touch are excellent. But he's 19 and still developing. He does have the odd heavy touch and overruns the ball every now and again. Similar to how Iheanacho does. I wouldn't say Iheanacho has bad technique, but he's still developing.

I doubt there are many Youtube compilation videos of Gabriel's or Iheanacho's heavy touches, but that doesn't mean they don't have the odd one.

I think he's going to be brilliant for us, I'm really excited to see him, but people saying he's more intelligent than Aguero, better than Anelka was at that age, and already has technique as good as Aguero's, they're setting him up for a fail and putting too much pressure on the lad.

I probably want him to succeed more than anyone we've ever bought because he's got the potential to be a superstar. But I feel some are expecting too much too soon from him.

Wasn't a dig at you mate - that's why I didn't respond to your post, because it might have come over as that.

As for the rest of your post - 100% agree - see my last post as back up.
 
Cheers mate. It was from whoscored.com .
In comparison Aguero had the most unsuccessful touches in our team last season with 59. De Bruyne second with 42 (Yaya 25 and Silva 20). However as someone else pointed out the pitches in Brazil are not PL quality and that may affect his numbers. He also played at least 300 more minutes than the players I previous mentioned from City last season.

Thanks mate, just found it now.

Gabriel Jesus averaged 4 unsuccessful touches per game - the second most in the entire league. I don't think the "bobbly pitches" is a particularly compelling explanation on this, because the whole league played on the same pitches.

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/3...13492/PlayerStatistics/Brazil-Brasileiro-2016

It just goes to show, sometimes it's better to judge a player on actually watching him play in a proper game than relying on career highlights videos on then coming on Bluemoon and giving it the big un when you're completely uninformed. Ah well, some things never change I guess.

To repeat what I said earlier, he's a brilliant player with excellent technique, but he's 19 years old. He's still developing and is prone to the odd heavy touch, as the facts prove beyond doubt. As you say, I just hope if he's not the reincarnation of Messi straight away, fans don't get on his back and actually give him encouragement and are patient enough to let him develop.
 
really wish we cracked the 3 at the back this first half of the season. pretty sure pep didn't try much 3 at the back at the first season at bayern, but he tried it a fair few times here. maybe it's because he thinks the fullbacks are crap and not worth using or he was gearing up to use a 3-5-2 formation.
would love to see g. jesus up top with aguero. it would allow aguero to not be the only one pressing up top, might help get aguero get a bit of service, or allow g. jesus to work on the shoulder and aguero to drop into space between the lines.

not sure i like the idea of putting jesus on the left wing. firstly that's where my boy sane plays and with de bruyne and aguero central, we have enough goal threat through the middle, we need someone to attack the byline and not cut inside (which is why i love sane left and sterling right).


Same here. Imagine Bravo in goals with Ota, Kompany and Stones infront of him (playing reasonably tight like Chelsea's back three). Fernandihno andToure infront. Next you'd have Silva and KDB in the hole with Aguero infront and Sterling + Jesus on each wing. So much quality on the pitch.
 
I can't imagine there's going to be any accuracy whatsoever in comparing "unsuccessful touch" stats. If you go from one match report to another they can't even agree on the possession stats, the shots on target, fouls etc, so for me "unsuccessful touch" stats probably involve people making up a number that sounds reasonable. And it's subjective anyway. The person counting unsuccessful touches in Brazil (I find it hard to believe someone is actually doing that) will be different to the dude doing it over here. In the same way that referees show inconsistency from one to another in the face of subjectivity, so will these touch counters.
 
Wasn't a dig at you mate - that's why I didn't respond to your post, because it might have come over as that.

As for the rest of your post - 100% agree - see my last post as back up.

It was an indirect dig mate, whether you intended it to be or not.

I said he was prone to the odd bad touch, someone disagreed and posted his career highlights video and you responded "Hahaha the perfect response". I don't think it was the perfect response at all. In fact, I don't think it moved the debate along whatsoever. It actually took it backwards.

We've all seen the highlights videos and we're all super excited by them. I've watched him play a few times and that's a better way to judge a player than his career highlights video imo. I noticed he has the odd heavy touch and overruns the ball sometimes.

Cue the resident Bluemoon loud mouths come in trying to shoot it down with no other evidence than a highlights video and a misguided sense of expertise saying he never mis-controls it. Turns out he had the second most mis-controls in the entire Brazilian league.

Again, I'm really excited to see the kid play, I hope he fulfils his incredible potential while at City, I just hope fans get behind him and encourage him if he makes the odd mistake in his development. I'm sure he will go on to be one of the very best, but he needs time to learn, develop and make mistakes.
 
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