Game of Thrones - Season 6

[TCIB]

Well i expected complaints about how they have totally fucked up Dorne and not how slow paced it is, ah George is a **** and everyone will no doubt end up dead and the whitewalkers will rule.

Not read the books so can't comment fully. Watching the TV shows though i never saw enough of Dorne (sso far) to have any real opinion on it.
It was a bit wishy washy, a crutch to create extra narrative if you will. Beyond that meh, but that guard letting those women behind him seemed rather amateurish.

 

[Paul Lake's Left Knee]

Not read the books so can't comment fully. Watching the TV shows though i never saw enough of Dorne (sso far) to have any real opinion on it.
It was a bit wishy washy, a crutch to create extra narrative if you will. Beyond that meh, but that guard letting those women behind him seemed rather amateurish.

And she hasnt got those marvelous top bollocks out again, since she showed them to Bronn, poor form.

 

[Dogtanian]

Not read the books so can't comment fully. Watching the TV shows though i never saw enough of Dorne (sso far) to have any real opinion on it.
It was a bit wishy washy, a crutch to create extra narrative if you will. Beyond that meh, but that guard letting those women behind him seemed rather amateurish.

And in the books that same guard is hard as fuck, none of that killing has happened in the books, so in the show they have completely ended the whole Martell line, just fucking bizarre.

 

[chris63]

 

[The Silver Surfer]

Grandma?

 

[billymumphrey]

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I'm not sure what Dany does that rubs you up the wrong way. She's got to learn how to be a leader which means she'll misjudge a few things, like locking her dragons up in the dark or closing the fighting pits. I think I've said my piece on that, though.

As for the show dithering a tad and there being a concern that it'll rush to the end, I can absolutely understand where you're coming from with that one. There's even talk of the final two seasons being reduced to 6 or 7 episodes, which leads me to thinking that each episode will be 90 minutes without ad breaks, but that's still a worry. It'll be solid and enjoyable until the very end, I have no doubt about that, but whether it'll be as good as seasons 3 or 4 again because of the constraints, I'm not sure. To be completely honest, none of us really know how long it's going to run for. They could reach the end of season 7 and still think it requires another two after that, or they could reach the same point and not want to go any further. The final two books might change some of their plans too. Just buckle in and watch, I suppose.

I have to disagree. I think it's a convenient fallacy that she has to learn to rule when there are so many other examples of it counting for naught...

The one thing that matters most in GoT is blood.

Even in the latest episode this was stressed.

• Ramsay getting a bollocking for his failures regarding Theon (an heir to the Iron Islands) and Sansa (the key to the North/Starks)
• Arya having to let go of her past/who she was
• The ongoing ambiguity over John's parentage
• Melisandre's focus on Kings Blood

In fact everything that Dany has received, has been precisely because she is a Targaryan and nothing else, and not because she has been fit to lead, or indeed had the potential to lead. So to contend that this is a quality that she needs to learn doesn't stack up well.

In fact - even if you argue that she needs to learn to rule the 'right way' also doesn't stack up, as generally those who are honourable and fair get stitched up the most.

 

[TCIB]

And in the books that same guard is hard as fuck, none of that killing has happened in the books, so in the show they have completely ended the whole Martell line, just fucking bizarre.

Ahh now i see why it is a bit of a pisser rather that a twist that adds to the show.
Maybe like how that dude (seven sons) got changed for the begining of season 4 or 5 as tv audiences apparently did not like the chap (seems to have done well since tbh).

 

[The Silver Surfer]

how that dude (seven sons) got changed for the begining of season 4 or 5 as tv audiences apparently did not like the chap (seems to have done well since tbh).

I preferred his first incarnation. The second is still a good character almost a different one entirely though!

 

[Viridian]

I have to disagree. I think it's a convenient fallacy that she has to learn to rule when there are so many other examples of it counting for naught...

The one thing that matters most in GoT is blood.

Even in the latest episode this was stressed.

• Ramsay getting a bollocking for his failures regarding Theon (an heir to the Iron Islands) and Sansa (the key to the North/Starks)
• Arya having to let go of her past/who she was
• The ongoing ambiguity over John's parentage
• Melisandre's focus on Kings Blood

In fact everything that Dany has received, has been precisely because she is a Targaryan and nothing else, and not because she has been fit to lead, or indeed had the potential to lead. So to contend that this is a quality that she needs to learn doesn't stack up well.

In fact - even if you argue that she needs to learn to rule the 'right way' also doesn't stack up, as generally those who are honourable and fair get stitched up the most.

Spoiler

Obviously I completely understand where you're coming from, and as much as I love the show I think it's leaving far too many things open before the end by conveniently delaying the progress of certain plots, but I'm not sure how the story could have really developed from Dany taking the Iron Throne in, say, season 4.

Dany's rule of Westeros is something that we'll have to judge for ourselves after the series ends, if it ever happens. As I've said in another post, GRRM isn't the sort of writer who creates happy endings for his characters, so allowing Dany to have comfortable passage to Westeros before it's absolutely necessary would be contradictory to his writing style. If characters achieve anything they have to suffer immensely before they get there.

Plus, you can't just put Dany on the Iron Throne and only think about her storyline in isolation. Joffrey was still king in season 4, Sansa still had to be involved in the plot to kill him so she could be taken away. Tyrion had to be accused of his murder so he could end up in Meereen, you see what I mean. Yes, the stories are separated in the show but they all have consequences elsewhere. It's too intricately balanced to have Dany anywhere other than where she is now.

From reading around, I find that people only really seem to have this problem with Dany's storyline. The White Walkers are by far the biggest "threat" and the most mysterious group but they have barely been seen/established despite being introduced as the most dangerous antagonists in episode one - why aren't people complaining about that? I'm not sure what people are expecting from Dany. By the end of this season she will have a khalasar and three dragons fit enough to cross the Narrow Sea at least - things are always in process for a reason.

My initial problem was that everythingchangesbutblue blamed Dany's "lack of progress" on trying to boost ratings and keep fans of the TV show hanging on but her storyline up to this point was developed at least two years before the show even started, when they had no idea how popular it would become. You could level that at the current status of the Dorne storyline, which has been nothing short of a both a mess in terms of logistics and continuity, but not Dany's.

 

[billymumphrey]

Spoiler

Obviously I completely understand where you're coming from, and as much as I love the show I think it's leaving far too many things open before the end by conveniently delaying the progress of certain plots, but I'm not sure how the story could have really developed from Dany taking the Iron Throne in, say, season 4.

Dany's rule of Westeros is something that we'll have to judge for ourselves after the series ends, if it ever happens. As I've said in another post, GRRM isn't the sort of writer who creates happy endings for his characters, so allowing Dany to have comfortable passage to Westeros before it's absolutely necessary would be contradictory to his writing style. If characters achieve anything they have to suffer immensely before they get there.

Plus, you can't just put Dany on the Iron Throne and only think about her storyline in isolation. Joffrey was still king in season 4, Sansa still had to be involved in the plot to kill him so she could be taken away. Tyrion had to be accused of his murder so he could end up in Meereen, you see what I mean. Yes, the stories are separated in the show but they all have consequences elsewhere. It's too intricately balanced to have Dany anywhere other than where she is now.

From reading around, I find that people only really seem to have this problem with Dany's storyline. The White Walkers are by far the biggest "threat" and the most mysterious group but they have barely been seen/established despite being introduced as the most dangerous antagonists in episode one - why aren't people complaining about that? I'm not sure what people are expecting from Dany. By the end of this season she will have a khalasar and three dragons fit enough to cross the Narrow Sea at least - things are always in process for a reason.

My initial problem was that everythingchangesbutblue blamed Dany's "lack of progress" on trying to boost ratings and keep fans of the TV show hanging on but her storyline up to this point was developed at least two years before the show even started, when they had no idea how popular it would become. You could level that at the current status of the Dorne storyline, which has been nothing short of a both a mess in terms of logistics and continuity, but not Dany's.

I think the reason why people aren't complaining about the White Walkers is that unlike Dany they haven't been given the screen time. They haven't had 5 seasons worth of build up saying "we're going to do this" and then promptly not doing what they said they'd do. I would say that there has been barely 30 minutes of screen time of them over the whole series. From the top of my head, there was the scene in the pilot, battle of the horn snippet, the king taking and transforming the baby, sam the slayer, and then the battle last season. I would also say that Dany's storyline has commanded probably about 15% of total screen time. And most of the early part was her saying how she wanted to claim her birthright, she needs an army, she needs ships - and then when she gets all that - she doesn't cross the sea, and now is back to square one. It's been a pointless build up.