Gary Neville

[moomba]

Some players would go down, some wouldn't.

Some managers actively encourage it, some don't.

It's been part of the training ground exercises for many a season. But for once I agree with Pulis. Those players who 'fall' down with no contact should be banned for at least as long as the thugs who go out to injure, deliberately or as 'part of a tackle'!

As well as the players that play basketball leading up to a goal. I like what Pulis says on diving, but he let himself down by what he said on Crouch against us.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Some players would go down, some wouldn't.

This^^^^^ we are talking about professional sport.... more would have gone down than stayed up that is a certainty

 

[moomba]

Some players would go down, some wouldn't.

This^^^^^ we are talking about professional sport.... more would have gone down than stayed up that is a certainty

Doesn't make it right though.

People talk about what would have happened if Aguero dived at the end of the QPR match.

What if it was Cisse?

So long as football supporters accept cheating from their own team it will always be part of the game. Personally I think the sport would be better without it.

And if you're not prepared to criticise you're own players for cheating you really have no right to be calling the likes of Suarez and Ashley Young about it.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Some players would go down, some wouldn't.

This^^^^^ we are talking about professional sport.... more would have gone down than stayed up that is a certainty

Doesn't make it right though.

People talk about what would have happened if Aguero dived at the end of the QPR match.

What if it was Cisse?

So long as football supporters accept cheating from their own team it will always be part of the game. Personally I think the sport would be better without it.

And if you're not prepared to criticise you're own players for cheating you really have no right to be calling the likes of Suarez and Ashley Young about it.

For me the morality of it being right or wrong isn't the issue, I am saying it happens with all clubs at all levels throughout football....give Dempsey the same scenario in his next match and I would hazard a guess that his behaviour may be different, he did what he felt was right in this instance after his experience of missing his opportunity to score the next time he is in a similar situation his thought process may not be the same

As for Agureo it would have been a penalty as there was definite contact, he decided to stay on his feet and scored, if he had missed though I bet a pound to a pinch of shit he would go down if he was in a similar position at some point in the future

 

[DaveRave18]

But would you have celebrated any less, and would it have said 'cheats' under the engraved 'champions 2011/2012' on the trophy?

At the time no, but I wouldn't have known he cheated until later.

Now the win would mean less to me if we didn't win it by fair means. Don't really care if it's stated on the trophy. I spent years hating the rag win at all costs mentality, and I'm not so shallow that the chances of bit of silverware is going to make me change my mind.

And FWIW the only way cheating will be drummed out of the game is if supporters stop accepting it whenever it benefits there club. For me, football is a sport, not a competition to find the best actors.

Where do you draw the line then as to what cheating means? How many times during a game will two players contest a throw-in, sometimes when one of those players clearly know it isn't their ball? It's second nature though isn't it? Both players want the ball and both, on occasions, will contest it. Same with corners, free kicks - anything. I would be more inclined to say that at some point during last season we would have had decisions go for us which one of our players contested but they knew wasn't theirs to contest. What if one of those decisions lead to a goal, a match winning goal at that. It might not be as meaningful and obvious as a penalty, but it is still cheating in a sense if that's how you look at it. Others would say it's being competitive, or going all out to win.

Clear cut cases should be reviewed. Last years Young's dive would be a clear example. 5 match ban ... end off.

 

[moomba]

This^^^^^ we are talking about professional sport.... more would have gone down than stayed up that is a certainty

Doesn't make it right though.

People talk about what would have happened if Aguero dived at the end of the QPR match.

What if it was Cisse?

So long as football supporters accept cheating from their own team it will always be part of the game. Personally I think the sport would be better without it.

And if you're not prepared to criticise you're own players for cheating you really have no right to be calling the likes of Suarez and Ashley Young about it.

For me the morality of it being right or wrong isn't the issue, I am saying it happens with all clubs at all levels throughout football....give Dempsey the same scenario in his next match and I would hazard a guess that his behaviour may be different, he did what he felt was right in this instance after his experience of missing his opportunity to score the next time he is in a similar situation his thought process may not be the same

As for Agureo it would have been a penalty as there was definite contact, he decided to stay on his feet and scored, if he had missed though I bet a pound to a pinch of shit he would go down if he was in a similar position at some point in the future

But contact isn't a foul, and if hr could have stayed up and chose not to that to me is cheating.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Doesn't make it right though.

People talk about what would have happened if Aguero dived at the end of the QPR match.

What if it was Cisse?

So long as football supporters accept cheating from their own team it will always be part of the game. Personally I think the sport would be better without it.

And if you're not prepared to criticise you're own players for cheating you really have no right to be calling the likes of Suarez and Ashley Young about it.

For me the morality of it being right or wrong isn't the issue, I am saying it happens with all clubs at all levels throughout football....give Dempsey the same scenario in his next match and I would hazard a guess that his behaviour may be different, he did what he felt was right in this instance after his experience of missing his opportunity to score the next time he is in a similar situation his thought process may not be the same

As for Agureo it would have been a penalty as there was definite contact, he decided to stay on his feet and scored, if he had missed though I bet a pound to a pinch of shit he would go down if he was in a similar position at some point in the future

But contact isn't a foul, and if hr could have stayed up and chose not to that to me is cheating.

What you may call cheating others may call gamesmanship, don't forget intent is enough to draw a foul in the current game which I think is bollocks but there you go, it was only a couple of seasons ago that Gerrard got a pen for Liverpool v Sheffield Utd i think because the ref said there was intent to foul which caused Gerrard to go over no contact but intent, was Evra's challenge anywhere near the ball, no, so there was intent to foul or disrupt the players run meaning penalty in today's game so Dempsey going down would not be cheating in my opinion

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Some players would go down, some wouldn't.

This^^^^^ we are talking about professional sport.... more would have gone down than stayed up that is a certainty

Doesn't make it right though.

People talk about what would have happened if Aguero dived at the end of the QPR match.

What if it was Cisse?

So long as football supporters accept cheating from their own team it will always be part of the game. Personally I think the sport would be better without it.

And if you're not prepared to criticise you're own players for cheating you really have no right to be calling the likes of Suarez and Ashley Young about it.

for me cheating isnt acceptable in sport. the question i always ask people who think it is ok to cheat is, at what stage in your childs sports life do you tell your innocent angel faced child to take a fall (cheat)

 

[Danny Hoekman]

I've got a good friend who has a son at their academy. A couple of years ago (when the lad was 9), I asked him in jest if they actually teach them to dive after another Rooney 'trailing leg left in dive' had got them a penalty that weekend. To my surprise he said they are told if they feel any contact in the penalty area then go down but not to bother if outside the area.

What a load of bollocks, I have first hand experience of there academy and the above does not happen....you have either been fed a load of bollocks by your mate or you have just made that up either way trust me it is bullshit

Why the fuck would I want to make something up!!!!! The lad said it to me not my mate. For all I know he may be telling the truth, he may not be. You obviously know different. If he was telling the truth, perhaps it might have been a one-off comment from a particular coach to him when something happened during a match or training session, I don't know. Don't call me a liar though.

 

[Feed the Elk]

Going down under minimal contact is within the rules and therefore you can't blame a player for doing so. Hate the game, not the player.

For me, to gain the advantage of a penalty kick for a challenge such as the one with rooney vs spurs is too much. Why not give an indirect free kick in the penalty area instead? Rooney would not have scored in a million years from that position going away from goal so why should be benefit from a penalty? I think that this is where the rules need amending - a penalty kick for a player who is fouled when going away from goal is disproportionate.