Gary Neville

Blue Til Death said:
What’s true is people like you come out with this utter dogshit because you can’t handle the truth .. It’s not fuckin racist to want stricter border controls FFS..!
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It isn't dogshit. The politicians shouting about the asylum seekers and winding the public up about it, are filling their pockets because of this and becoming more powerful as a result. And it enables whichever government is in at the time to bring in even more laws reducing freedoms.

We have border controls, always have had (well, they became weaker due to Brexit which again, helped the same politicians...). Anyone turning up applies to stay and either passes or doesn't.

You're right though, it isn't necessarily racist to want stricter controls. However, there are also large numbers of racists who do share that view, I don't think you can deny that. Why do you want the controls to be stricter?
 
mexico1970 said:
Unfortunately you lose the right to polite conversation when you suppose that people who want controlled immigration are Nazis.

You just deserve 1933.

I haven't repeated anything, show me where I have repeated anything? What's happening is the turd on a record deck in your brain is continuously playing the same dirge for you to repeat ad nauseum.
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Sickening.
 
If this forum is representative we're becoming a one track country obsessed with one thing only. Which would be fine and dandy if it was going to make a blind bit of difference.

The immigration financial numbers sound big but they are really a drop in the ocean and irrespective of the rights or wrongs aren't going to solve anything. The underlying issue this country has is that for about 40 years now we have let the ultra rich extract more and more at the expense of everyone else and we're finally at breaking point. The numbers dwarf even the worst case scenario for poor border controls.

So if a politician offers you better boarders and also taxing the ultra rich to reduce massive inequality then sure vote for them because they are on your side.

If a politician offers you taxing of the ultra rich but nothing on borders then, even if you'd prefer they do something on borders, still vote for them because they are on your side.

But if a politician offers you only control of borders but nothing about taxing the ultra rich to reduce inequality then don't waste your vote on them because it's not going to work. And while you're there have a think about why they are focusing on that when the much bigger issue is how much the ultra rich are extracting from society?

I get why people are concerned about immigration and it's wrong to label anyone who expresses concern as racist. But the immigration debate is the equivalent of an entire opposition defence marking Bobb because he's got quick feet and leaving Haaland with no one within 10 metres of him.

We've properly taken our eye off the ball, the only thing that will make this country work again is a rebalancing of wealth between the ultra-rich and everyone else. It's the only thing that will save this country, nothing else adds up. Its not like it's going to be easy which is all the more reason we should be talking about that rather than small boats.
 
mattcity5 said:
It isn't dogshit. The politicians shouting about the asylum seekers and winding the public up about it, are filling their pockets because of this and becoming more powerful as a result. And it enables whichever government is in at the time to bring in even more laws reducing freedoms.

We have border controls, always have had (well, they became weaker due to Brexit which again, helped the same politicians...). Anyone turning up applies to stay and either passes or doesn't.

You're right though, it isn't necessarily racist to want stricter controls. However, there are also large numbers of racists who do share that view, I don't think you can deny that. Why do you want the controls to be stricter?
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Maybe because most people don’t want their great grandchildren to be a persecuted minority in a country that their great grandparents fought and died for and in hindsight probably wished they hadn’t
 
Fair play to the United fans who are usually so one eyed when it comes to defending everything and everyone connected the their club by calling out champagne socialist Red Nev
 
eyalluvitt said:
Maybe because most people don’t want their great grandchildren to be a persecuted minority in a country that their great grandparents fought and died for and in hindsight probably wished they hadn’t
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I see this kind of thing mentioned, but in all honesty (and without having any facts admittedly), I think you'd need to add about 5 more generations to that before you're anywhere near.

And even then, if you treat people well the whole time instead of resorting to hatred, would they want to persecute any minority?

You do also realise though that the fight in WW2 was against fascism? Not for it?
 
eyalluvitt said:
Maybe because most people don’t want their great grandchildren to be a persecuted minority in a country that their great grandparents fought and died for and in hindsight probably wished they hadn’t
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The irony.

You do realise a giant reason behind the war was about fighting against the narrative you’re coming out with, right?
 
Cool, it looks like the "divide and conquer" tactics that I stupidly believed everybody was able to see for the bullshit that they are, are working to a tee.

It's like the dippers suddenly being willing to believe everything that the media tell them about our 115 case despite their knowledge of the lies they're willing to tell to reach their goal, simply because the liars now have somebody else centred in the crosshairs.
 
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