General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Metal Biker]

The stupid fucking cunts don’t understand that blaming or attributing non-Israeli Jews to the actions of Israel is within the definition of antisemitism.

The Chief Rabbi in BRITAIN has nothing to do with Israel, he’s got as much to do with Israel as I have the Vietnam War.

I too saw this Tweet, alongside many others that sent chills down my spine. These people are fuckig dangerous and I don’t blame Jewish people for being shit scared of this cult of hatred.

Said it before and i'll say it again.

Remove this hateful cult within Labour, and they'd walk the next two elections, at least.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Said it before and i'll say it again.

Remove this hateful cult within Labour, and they'd walk the next two elections, at least.

Probably, but that is a parallel universe in which we don't live. So in this parallel universe there is also the possibility that the Tories were led by someone competent, who isn't a buffoon, nor blatantly dishonest or divisive. Someone who could eloquently explain to the electorate why the last 10 years have been so painful but necessary. Someone who can inspire the young. Someone who can paint a vision and explain why the next 10 years will be so much better.

In my dreams.

The electorate is faced with the choice between two dickheads at the moment.

 

[Ban-jani]

It's a right-wing Jewish, pro-Israel, anti-Corbyn conspiracy!

Left-wing jews hate Israel and love Corbyn!

And it stretches across Israel, Western Europe and the United States in their heads.

I’ll never forget the British, Jewish, Labour employee on the complaints committee who was tasked with interviewing someone accused of accusation. Before he could even start the interview he was accused of being an Israeli informant.

Do they actually realise how they sound or what their behaviour is doing?

 

[Ban-jani]

Probably, but that is a parallel universe in which we don't live. So in this parallel universe there is also the possibility that the Tories were led by someone competent, who isn't a buffoon, nor blatantly dishonest or divisive. Someone who could eloquently explain to the electorate why the last 10 years have been so painful but necessary and who can inspire the young. Someone who can paint a vision and explain why the next 10 years will be so much better.

In my dreams.

The electorate is faced with the choice between two dickheads at the moment.

Absolutely the case but one of those two dick heads, whilst saying some controversial and very poor stuff in the past, hasn’t got 86% of an already marginalised and persecuted minority, shit scared for their safety.

If someone had told me 6-7 years ago nearly 9 out of 10 Jewish people in Britain were seriously concerned if a leader of the 2 biggest parties got in, I’d have thought they were either joking or the National Socialists had some how taken over via a military coup.

 

[Metal Biker]

Probably, but that is a parallel universe in which we don't live. So in this parallel universe there is also the possibility that the Tories were led by someone competent, who isn't a buffoon, nor blatantly dishonest or divisive. Someone who could eloquently explain to the electorate why the last 10 years have been so painful but necessary and who can inspire the young. Someone who can paint a vision and explain why the next 10 years will be so much better.

In my dreams.

The electorate is faced with the choice between two dickheads at the moment.

I genuinely think Labour are too far gone as right at it's core there is this evil element dictating it's direction, expectant of long term Labour voters to just continue to support them because they're "Labour". But they are "labour" in name only.

Ideally a party in which the moderates in Labour and the Conservatives joined together to form a true centrist party, taking ideal social and conservative elements, similar to what Blair and Cameron were trying to do, would need to emerge to have me consider voting in a Government.

Right now i'd take Boris's Government over a Corbyn one and that's not easy for me to say.

 

[Metal Biker]

And it stretches across Israel, Western Europe and the United States in their heads.

I’ll never forget the British, Jewish, Labour employee on the complaints committee who was tasked with interviewing someone accused of accusation. Before he could even start the interview he was accused of being an Israeli informant.

Do they actually realise how they sound or what their behaviour is doing?

Are you serious? He called them an "israeli informant"?

It's like they think saying that justifies their behaviour or something. "I'm allowed to be antisemitic...they support Israel!"
It's as blatant and obvious as you can get. But as already stated, they simply don't care. They use support of Palestine to justify their anti-semitism.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Have the Tory's done enough in the past 9 years to justify your vote for another 5 years at it? If not, vote for someone else - Have a look around. Walk through your town center, go to your local hospital, how is your kids school doing etc. They've had 9 years at it, will they do better in the next 5???

 

[Chippy_boy]

I genuinely think Labour are too far gone as right at it's core there is this evil element dictating it's direction, expectant of long term Labour voters to just continue to support them because they're "Labour". But they are "labour" in name only.

Ideally a party in which the moderates in Labour and the Conservatives joined together to form a true centrist party, taking ideal social and conservative elements, similar to what Blair and Cameron were trying to do, would need to emerge to have me consider voting in a Government.

Right now i'd take Boris's Government over a Corbyn one and that's not easy for me to say.

Agree with all of that.

What we hear from Corbyn overtly is of course only the toned-down stuff which he thinks might just be palatable, but it doesn't take much reading between the lines to see that he'd really like much wider nationalisation and state ownership than he is letting on. What is transparently clear is that his vision for the UK is an entirely socialist state, where capitalism is reined in severely or even eliminated. There's been talk of Clause 4 being reintroduced and the full on "workers controlling the means of production" - pure Karl Marx stuff.

And what is also clear is that the country as a whole, has for 50 years, been moving in the opposite direction. The vast majority of people in this country are much, much more wealthy than they were in the 60's and 70's. Many more people have highly skilled jobs and have middle-class aspirations. Of course not all, and there are some at the bottom for whom life is tough, and we should try to do more to help them. But they are few in number and the general direction has been away from coal-mining and ship-building, towards IT and media studies (for example) with record numbers of people going to universities.

So Corbyn's politics are completely misaligned with that of the majority of the population, at heart at least. The reason I add that caveat is that the past 10 years of austerity have been really tough, and they've unfortunately given Corbyn a platform to seek much greater support than he would ever get in more normal circumstances. He was an irrelevance on the sidelines in the Blair years for example. Whilst the country is doing well and is affluent, very few will be remotely interested in Corbyn-style politics, and they would not be in the future either.

Let's just hope he hasn't managed to dismantle the country first, because if he brings unemployment, misery and poverty to millions, bizarrely he may find more support. That's probably what McDonnell is planning.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Have the Tory's done enough in the past 9 years to justify your vote for another 5 years at it? If not, vote for someone else - Have a look around. Walk through your town center, go to your local hospital, how is your kids school doing etc. They've had 9 years at it, will they do better in the next 5???

Simple answer. Of course they will! The last 10 years have been about cuts, haven't they. We've had 3 general elections where all the talk was about cuts and tax increases. Both parties were proposing this in 2010 and 2015.

Now that agenda is over. So why on earth would you imagine that the next 5 years will be the same as the last 10? That makes no sense at all. The next 5 to 10 years will be expansionary, not about cuts.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Simple answer. Of course they will! The last 10 years have been about cuts, haven't they. We've had 3 general elections where all the talk was about cuts and tax increases. Both parties were proposing this in 2010 and 2015.

Now that agenda is over. So why on earth would you imagine that the next 5 years will be the same as the last 10? That makes no sense at all. The next 5 to 10 years will be expansionary, not about cuts.

I'm not entirely confident that they will address many/any of the issues as the next 5 years will be taken up by Brexit....

In addition, I saw a report on Sky this morning that was about inequality. I may be slightly wrong here so happy to be corrected, but the financial inequality between the North/South in England is similar to that as West/East Berlin in the 80s. In addition, the health outcomes in the North are comparable to Romania, Slovakia and Turkey and that 95p in every Government £ is spent in London, compared to Germany where they spend 65p on their capital