General Election - December 12th, 2019

[kevin horlocks wand]

The un redacted version mentions the chlorine chicken and that the UK shouldn’t worry because they will ‘change the narrative’ around that.

Mir includes a lot of things it’s a discussion document

 

[Metal Biker]

This thread seems to have turned into a Tory boy echo chamber with half the Tory boys pretending they're lifelong traditional Labour voters.

And yet here you are

 

[blueinsa]

This thread seems to have turned into a Tory boy echo chamber with half the Tory boys pretending they're lifelong traditional Labour voters.

Or its life long labour voters sick to the back fucking teeth of twats like Corbyn and McDonnell and the absolute dregs they attract into the party and calling it out for what it is.

Tory boys is hilarious though and if its designed to not make me sleep at night or think about who i might or might not vote for in the GE its failing badly.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

We've had 10 years of running a dirty great big deficit and have had to make cuts. We are doing better now, but have not won a country-wide super lottery, so growth and expansion plans have to be founded on reasonable and sensible finances. WTF do you expect???

If the government's covert agenda was to get rid of the NHS, why did they protect NHS budgets more than any other government area of expenditure over the last 10 years? Did you see the police forces rolling in money, or the schools? We've had to make cuts and yet have actually favoured NHS spending, and yet you ask us to believe that's because the Tories want to get rid of it?

What you suggest is poppycock mate, it really is.

So why lie about it all? 50000 extra nurses? Lie. 40 new hospitals? Lie. First government in history not to account for inflation when describing healthcare investment. Demand rising at over 6% and annual funding rising at 0.1% (following, on average 4% from the inception of the NHS). Why is it doing that? If I accept your argument about the deficit (I don't, obviously) then why did they not tell everyone that the consequences would be longer waiting lists, longer waits to see a GP, longer waits for cancer treatment (I think you were the one bemoaning the NHS cancer performance, whilst you are constantly advocating reducing budgets)?
Why pretend that hospitals can still meet all their target with a crash in real funding and an increase in demand? If it were your business and someone pretended it were true you'd sack them but if it is government they seem immune from telling the truth and they seem to get a free pass.
Finally, if you are to respond, please do not respond with 'Corbyn is a lying scumbag as well'. I don't care what Corbyn says because he is not part of the government, he hasn't ever been part of the government and he will never be part of the government. What he says matters about as much as what you and I say on this forum.

 

[blueparrot]

whoosh.

The UK helps give the EU it's clout and negotiating power.

Helps yes, but not as much as the UK is helped by being part of the EU negotiating.

 

[Metal Biker]

Helps yes, but not as much as the UK is helped by being part of the EU negotiating.

Actually it makes it more difficult as every member can veto a potential deal if it doesn't benefit them.

 

[sd92]

Now Liz Truss is saying the document is a conspiracy theory.


‘The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command’

 

[blueparrot]

Actually it makes it more difficult as every member can veto a potential deal if it doesn't benefit them.

Just the opposite it means the U.S or whichever country/ block is negotiating it has to offer a deal that satisfys everyone. If we are negotiating on our own they only have to offer a deal that satisfys the government of the day, in other words if Johnsons happy we get stuck with whatevers offered.

 

[George Hannah]

Barry Gardiner on Politics Live just now, he has a prodigious talent for turning any discussion into congealed porridge. His defence of Corbyn's antisemitism via today's fake distractions was a lesson to snake oil sellers everywhere.

 

[Blue Hefner]

I've not seen that report mate, but there clearly is a big north/south divide and it's therefore extremely unfortunate that the one government minister who was really trying his best to try to fix that - George Osborne - is so criticised by those on the left (and sacked before he got chance to see his initiatives through).

But your stat on government spending (in particular) does seem rather dubious to say the least. In fact, no, it must be wrong, or referring to one particular spending area.

The government spends about £800bn a year and of that more than half is spent on Welfare, Health, Education and Defence - just to pick 4. And none of these are London only. So the 95% figure is impossible.

Unless you mean spending on *government* (rather than government spending) - which since parliament and whitehall are in London, would probably make sense.

Here is a link



"The report's authors identify a lack of money as a root cause, with local government spending on economic affairs half of what is available regionally in France and Germany. They say centralisation is making the situation worse with central government taking 95p of every £1 raised in tax, compared to 69p in Germany"