General Election - December 12th, 2019

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

What do you mean "profess"? Do you think everyone on a low wage is of some sort of hive-mind?

When you've got nothing you tend not to get attached to stuff lest it's taken from you. There is literally nothing else Parliament can take from me.

All I keep hearing is "the NHS needs more money". But the public doesn't have any money, and any attempts to take money from those who do have money, will see them leave the country anyway. If this allows the NHS to have more money it keeps claiming it needs, why is a sudden cash boost not to be welcomed?

No surprise we have less and less money as a country when we make shortsighted decisions such as brexit.

 

[inbetween]

Well yes, it fucking is.

You profess to be a man of the poor and downtrodden yet you'd happily sell off free healthcare?

My last payslip suggests we don't have free healthcare at all......

 

[Metal Biker]

You're potless and you want the nhs privatised? How will you pay your insurance premiums?

I don't have to.

Naturally you will won't you, because you care so much, you'll use your money to ensure we don't go without. :)

Cheers mate!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Interesting quote for you to reflect on from Rabbi Howard Cooper in the Jewish Chronicle:
' Jews are not threatened with organised violence [in UK]. If it comes,as it might, it will come from the populist right - who have no internal countervailing voices as the left do. We will then realise that we had our eyes on the wrong ball all along."

In one sense he's right, that it's more probable that organised physical violence will come from the right. But no one that I know is particularly worried about organised violence. It's the constant, virulent antisemitism via verbal and written intimidation aimed at prominent Jewish figures in the Labour movement or outside it, those who dare to actively support them or the community at large that worries them most. The feeling of being a stranger in your own land is something that Jews have suffered for generations in all parts of the world. If you want any further evidence just look at the Twitter timelines of someone like Rachel Riley, Tracy-Ann Oberman, David Collier, etc.

In the same article Cooper also says this: "Although I hold no personal candle for Corbynite Labour and some of his nastier and ignorant fellow-travellers..." so he's hardly endorsing Corbyn. He then goes on to talk about the importance of a calm, measured reaction to the current climate.

The problem is that many in the 1930's Jewish community in Germany took a similarly complacent attitude, saying "Don't panic. Sit tight. It'll all blow over. The Germans are sensible people and we're Germans after all."

A couple of weeks ago I attended the funeral of a couple of my friends' mother. She was born and grew up in Hamburg and actually saw Hitler parading in the city. Her family said the same sort of thing yet in 1938 they suddenly realised it wasn't going to be alright. They'd left it too late to escape but got her out. She left on the Kindertransport, 14 years old, alone without any of her family. And that didn't start with organised violence but words in newspapers and speeches along with boycotts of Jewish businesses, setting the general population up to see extreme Jew-hatred as not just something to be ignored by them but as something desirable.

And what the current crisis has also demonstrated is that there are some who were on the far-right now operating under a Labour banner these days. It's very easy to do that on social media of course and verbal attacks on Jews only embolden those, hopefully few, who would wish physical harm on us. Jew-hate isn't delineated by political extreme. It's very much as case of my enemy's enemy is also my enemy when you're am antisemite.

And if you want random JC quotes, here's another (talking about the formerly pro-Corbyn Jewish QC Gordon Nardell's resignation as Labour's in-house legal counsel on the antisemitism issue): “The party leadership’s total failure to address anti-Jewish racism has led to the EHRC launching a statutory investigation into institutional racism following JLM’s referral. It is unsurprising that he (Nardell) has now resigned. The leadership must be held accountable for the culture of harassment, intimidation and casual racism that has gripped the Party, and follow Nardell’s example.”

 

[mexico1970]

Stating who you are likely to vote for, as an anonymous user on an Internet forum that is specified around football, whilst the majority of others on here have stated the same, isn’t putting you at risk mate.

My position is that if the Tories appointed Rory Stewart then in this climate they’d have secured my vote, as it stands they’ve gone for the populist lying toad that is Johnson... therefore I am going to vote to stop them and that option in my constituency is only possible via a LibDem vote, despite the fact I don’t particularly like them.

See easy.

Similar way of thinking to why I am voting Labour, the little general hasn't had an outing in power he has always sniped from the back, watching Abbott as a real home secretary should be a popcorn event. The Tories haven't done anything useful of late I am interested to see if the politics of envy can do any better.

 

[Metal Biker]

Well clearly someone isn’t doing a bang up job if your income stream is unchanged.

And yes I expect you will find someone else to blame if things don’t improve for you. I’ve noticed that ‘personal responsibility’ is not a feature of those on the Conservative right.

Well, my earnings per hour have gone up, but my overall hours worked have reduced.

Seriously, what did you lot think was going to happen.

 

[BobKowalski]

Another fine reassurance from Bob. I'll file that alongside your "I'm sure no-one would ever attack us so we don't need those pesky nuclear deterrents".

I’d use the file ‘better to invest in conventional forces in case of attack’ given nuclear weapons are as much use as tits on a bull when it comes to projection and use of military power abroad.

 

[blueparrot]

You say tis, yet since I went into the world of work, i've not noticed anything different in that regard.
Under Labour or the Tories, the stream of income has been the same. So neither have done a "bang up job" have they.

I mean I will hold you accountable if Labour get in and I find myself in the same situation. I expect to be swimming in other peoples cash, given to me by Corbyn and his pals by spring.

I'm guessing you are on minimum wage, a minimum wage that wouldn't exist without the last Labour government, so you don't know what you would have to work for without Labour and can't say your income is the same.

 

[Saddleworth2]

A report on Food Bank usage compiled by Herriot Watt University for the Trussell Trust (a charity) was published today. The findings underline the damage done by Universal Credit roll out that was also highlighted by the UN rapporteur on extreme poverty, Philip Alston in his report last year. A great many people certainly need some sunny uplands.

For those that care enough to read articles rather than headlines;
https://www.theguardian.com/society...ctor-rising-poverty-food-bank-use-study-finds

 

[Ban-jani]

Similar way of thinking to why I am voting Labour, the little general hasn't had an outing in power he has always sniped from the back, watching Abbott as a real home secretary should be a popcorn event. The Tories haven't done anything useful of late I am interested to see if the politics of envy can do any better.

Far enough and good luck to you.

One thing we tend to lose in these times is the respect of letting people vote for anyone they want for whatever reason.

The only question mark I have is people currently saying they’ll vote for the Brexit Party - as they don’t even have a manifesto.